0.7 CARAT E COLOR VVS1 DIAMOND (OPINIONS)

[Diamondforhernow]

Hi everyone!

I am new to the forum and I hope to get some opinions on a diamond I would like to get.

The diamond is an E color VVS1 0.7 carat diamond from Black by Brian Gavin. From multiple reviews, I see that this collection consist of diamonds that are extremely well cut. However, I noted that the ASET image isn't very symmetrical. There is a blue area near one of the "arrows" that is not seen on others (marked by a orange colored arrow).

Is this suppose to be a normal occurrence for such a super ideal cut diamond?

Thanks a lot!

 

[lovedogs]

Yes, this is normal. The certificate shows an approximate view, whereas the ASET/IS on the BGD website shows you the actual info.

Also, something like that wouldn't ever be visible IRL even if accurate.

 

[Tourmaline]

E and VVS1 might be overkill. You could go down in both color and clarity and get a bigger stone without any potential cut issues.

 

[Diamondforhernow]

Yes, this is normal. The certificate shows an approximate view, whereas the ASET/IS on the BGD website shows you the actual info.

Also, something like that wouldn't ever be visible IRL even if accurate.

Thanks for your reply! The same thing is on the BGD website though. I was expecting something from Black by Brian Gavin to have better symmetry.

 

[Diamondforhernow]

E and VVS1 might be overkill. You could go down in both color and clarity and get a bigger stone without any potential cut issues.

Thanks for your reply! Is this more of a personal preference thing? I am hoping to get something as near to "perfect" as possible rather than focusing on the carat size.

 

[lovedogs]

Thanks for your reply! The same thing is on the BGD website though. I was expecting something from Black by Brian Gavin to have better symmetry.

I understand it looks scary on the hugely zoomed images, but you wont notice anything about this IRL. It wont be visible to the naked eye at all. But if you arent happy with this then there are other super ideal vendors (wolf/CBI, whiteflash) you can look at instead.

Also I agree with @Tourmaline that you could go down in clarity and likely color if you are interested in a bigger stone.

 

[lovedogs]

Thanks for your reply! Is this more of a personal preference thing? I am hoping to get something as near to "perfect" as possible rather than focusing on the carat size.

Perfect depends on who is looking at it. Most people cant tell the difference between D-F color, and anything VS2 and above will look the same to the naked eye. The difference will only be visible when looking with a microscope.

I think many women would prefer a super ideal stone that is F/VS2 and bigger vs E/VVS clarity and smaller, bc to most people the only thing that is visibly difference between those options is size.

 

[Diamondforhernow]

I understand it looks scary on the hugely zoomed images, but you wont notice anything about this IRL. It wont be visible to the naked eye at all. But if you arent happy with this then there are other super ideal vendors (wolf/CBI, whiteflash) you can look at instead.

Also I agree with @Tourmaline that you could go down in clarity and likely color if you are interested in a bigger stone.

Do you think that it was in fact an imperfection? If it was then I am sure it should have already been reflected in the price?

 

[Tourmaline]

Thanks for your reply! Is this more of a personal preference thing? I am hoping to get something as near to "perfect" as possible rather than focusing on the carat size.

That (“perfect”) applies to clarity, and I understand the desire to be “mind clean”, but if eye clean is what you want, you could go lower. Color is, however, a personal preference. I don’t like colorless diamonds, personally, and I wouldn’t even if they were cheaper than warm diamonds, but if I did like colorless diamonds, I would think if one was willing to do E, one probably wouldn’t mind the appearance of F.

If perfection is what you are after just for the sake of it, you could do a smaller stone that is D and IF, with an ideal cut. Are you purchasing this for yourself, or for another person? If for another person, are you sure that the recipient would want objective “perfection” over size?

 

[Diamondforhernow]

Perfect depends on who is looking at it. Most people cant tell the difference between D-F color, and anything VS2 and above will look the same to the naked eye. The difference will only be visible when looking with a microscope.

I think many women would prefer a super ideal stone that is F/VS2 and bigger vs E/VVS clarity and smaller, bc to most people the only thing that is visibly difference between those options is size.

To both of us, knowing that it is "perfect" beats how it looks in real life, so I would say we are really nitpicking here.

What are your thoughts on whiteflash's a cut above series? I am under impression that the black by Brian Gavin is superior in cut to this?

 

[Tourmaline]

To both of us, knowing that it is "perfect" beats how it looks in real life, so I would say we are really nitpicking here.

What are your thoughts on whiteflash's a cut above series? I am under impression that the black by Brian Gavin is superior in cut to this?

Interesting perspective, that perfection on paper beats how it looks in real life. This is odd to me. You could get a smaller D, IF stone. If you go with E VVS1, it’s already not “perfect”.

Brian Gavin diamonds are not better cut than Whiteflash ACA. Wolf/CBI is also up there in terms of cut perfection.

 

[Diamondforhernow]

That (“perfect”) applies to clarity, and I understand the desire to be “mind clean”, but if eye clean is what you want, you could go lower. Color is, however, a personal preference. I don’t like colorless diamonds, personally, and I wouldn’t even if they were cheaper than warm diamonds, but if I did like colorless diamonds, I would think if one was willing to do E, one probably wouldn’t mind the appearance of F.

If perfection is what you are after just for the sake of it, you could do a smaller stone that is D and IF, with an ideal cut. Are you purchasing this for yourself, or for another person? If for another person, are you sure that the recipient would want objective “perfection” over size?

We are both quite particular about how mind clean it is. In fact, we are considering a similar sized IF D color diamond at Whiteflash albeit at a higher price. I am however pretty much under the impression that this series beats the whiteflash a cut above series in terms of cut. Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Tourmaline]

We are both quite particular about how mind clean it is. In fact, we are considering a similar sized IF D color diamond at Whiteflash albeit at a higher price. I am however pretty much under the impression that this series beats the whiteflash a cut above series in terms of cut. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, you are wrong. See my previous comment. Why do you think Brian Gavin ideal is better than other ideal cuts? Because their website says so?

 

[Diamondforhernow]

Yes, you are wrong. See my previous comment.

Noted on that! I may be a victim of marketing. I read that the ACA was in fact developed by Brian Gavin and the Black by BG collection seems to be his latest "superior" collection. With some extrapolation, I came to the conclusion that the latter is better.

 

[lovedogs]

It is not correct that BG is better than WF ACA. WF ACA, Wolf/CBI, and BG are all considered equivalently ideal. Also, victor canera has his own line of H&A round stones that are also up there in quality (equal to the others).

 

[Tourmaline]

Noted on that! I may be a victim of marketing. I read that the ACA was in fact developed by Brian Gavin and the Black by BG collection seems to be his latest "superior" collection. With some extrapolation, I came to the conclusion that the latter is better.

I think your idea of what is better is radically skewed, and you and your partner may regret this commitment to alleged "perfection". If a diamond is going to be worn rather than stored in a safe deposit box, how a diamond looks in real life is more important than perfection on a piece of paper. I would advise you to re-evaluate your priorities.

 

[lovedogs]

I think your idea of what is better is radically skewed, and you and your partner may regret this commitment to alleged "perfection". If a diamond is going to be worn rather than stored in a safe deposit box, how a diamond looks in real life is more important than perfection on a piece of paper. I would advise you to re-evaluate your priorities.

I agree, and am worried that both you and your partner might be disappointed with this strategy in the long term.

 

[Diamondforhernow]

I think your idea of what is better is radically skewed, and you and your partner may regret this commitment to alleged "perfection". If a diamond is going to be worn rather than stored in a safe deposit box, how a diamond looks in real life is more important than perfection on a piece of paper. I would advise you to re-evaluate your priorities.

I will certainly keep that in mind! We are pretty much first-time buyers and we would love opinions like these.

 

[mwilliamanderson]

I share your mind clean perspective! However, I believe you are mistaken in your belief about who cuts the best diamonds. Brian Gavin, Whiteflash ACA, and CBI are all cut to remarkably tight parameters. I would consider upgrade and buyback options when making your purchase however, unless this will be a forever stone. Also, I would be more concerned with the green showing around the perimeter of the stone you posted. Computer generated ASET is great at showing light return. Scintillation and sparkle would be better indicators of precision cut and craftsmanship IMHO.

 

[lovedogs]

I will certainly keep that in mind! We are pretty much first-time buyers and we would love opinions like these.

I think that as a first time buyer, it is important to understand that if you are looking at super ideal cuts (BG, WF ACA, Wolf/CBI, Victor Canera in house cuts), then you are already as close to "perfect" as most people would consider possible. At that point, maximizing your own preferences is what most would suggest. However, since you are newer to buying stones, I would strongly suggest F/VS2 or G/VS2, as that will look the same to your eye as E/VVS1 (unless you are among the extreme few that can see the difference between E/F color.

 

[Diamondforhernow]

I believe both of you believe in beauty IRL rather than paper beauty. What are your thoughts on super ideal cut VS a normal ideal cut without a complete H&A?

 

[lovedogs]

I believe both of you believe in beauty IRL rather than paper beauty. What are your thoughts on super ideal cut VS a normal ideal cut without a complete H&A?

I think super ideal cuts are worth the increased cost. People can see the differences there (especially if they have seen many diamonds IRL). Of course not everyone can see the difference, and that is perfectly fine, but cut is the #1 factor in why diamonds sparkle and look pretty, so I wouldn't sacrifice cut.

 

[mwilliamanderson]

I agree with lovedogs. Super Ideal vendors have made buying a winner diamond easy. A very well cut, eye clean diamond of any color is an amazing thing to behold. Personal preferences and budget will dictate your own version of perfection.

If you haven't read this article yet I think it is well worth the time. https://www.pricescope.com/education/diamond-cut

 

[Diamondforhernow]

Thank you all for your valuable comments! We will certainly take these comments with us while we shop! Hope to get back on what we get in the end soon!

 

[Tourmaline]

I believe both of you believe in beauty IRL rather than paper beauty. What are your thoughts on super ideal cut VS a normal ideal cut without a complete H&A?

I agree with @lovedogs that super ideal cut is a good thing, worth the extra cost, if round brilliant diamonds are your thing and perfection is wanted over size.

 

[DejaWiz]

I'll echo what the others have said:
Eye-clean is almost always more important than mind-clean.

However, mind-clean can be crucial to the most discerning buyers.

Have a look at these, and make some comparisons with the VVS and IF diamonds that you have in your crosshairs. If they don't speak to you, then you should stick to your guns about getting the best color and clarity that your budget allows for.

Diamond comparison | Compare Diamonds to choose and buy the best one

Whiteflash gives you an excellent opportunity to compare diamonds to make a great deal. With diamond’s parameters provided, you can compare any detail.

www.whiteflash.com

 

[oncrutchesrightnow]

You said you are new to buying diamonds… welcome! Glad you are here! If it is safe to do so where you live, I recommend viewing a whole bunch in person. In different lighting.

 

[Lookinagain]

I believe both of you believe in beauty IRL rather than paper beauty. What are your thoughts on super ideal cut VS a normal ideal cut without a complete H&A?

I think most people believe in beauty IRL, as well as what's on paper. But I don't think many would let paper beauty trump actual physical beauty. After all, most people enjoy their diamonds because they enjoy looking at the actual stone, not the paper that gives its dimensions or clarity rating, etc. I think the paper really is more about the "mind clean" thing.

 

[headlight]

BGD are exceptionally beautifully. I know Brian would be happy to personally answer any questions for you.
No disrespect to any of my fellow PS participants, but it irks me to no end when people continue to suggest that someone should get lower color or clarity to get larger size. Not everyone cares to have the largest diamond in their budget - some want the finest color/clarity, as in this case.

 

[Double E]

Do you think that it was in fact an imperfection? If it was then I am sure it should have already been reflected in the price?

Hi and welcome to PS^^I am not going to suggest which way we should go: size or color + clarity, but further talk about your original concern on the images.



This is the ASET of my diamond, and the multicoloured circles were my doubts while I was asking for advice before my purchase here in PS. You can see, way more uneven blue areas, which are the obstructions, which are not light leakage as light return is important for mrb. These could actually be caused by any tilting of the stone when taking this image, which is a very hard task.

And this terrible stone is a BGD Signature. Its a stunning gem, and I m still enjoying visualising the arrows through a toilet paper tube~(I know it’s weird praising my own stone)

Don’t worry about precision, as long as you are with the names mentioned. Pick what you truly like in other areas. And of cox don’t forget photos when the piece is completed