2.02 F VS2 - White Crystals Close to Center of Table. Noticeable???

[SvenKnip]

Hey Gang - New here! Looking for a diamond for an engagement ring. Super important for me to get the "right" stone. And I'm spending a lot of money...so doubly important. I found a 2 carat F VS2 diamond with excellent proportions (see below). I mean the thing seems to have excellent light performance (HCA score 1.7, AGS Ideal (1/0), GIA Excellent) and really pops compared to other stones. Problem is, there are two whit crystals smack dab on the center table, and seemingly close to the surface! I just don't have too much experience and am unsure whether these are "big" crystals or whether the white aspect of them will make them less noticeable.

Are these crystals going to be noticeable to the naked eye? Like, if you are taking a real close look at the stone. It it going to look like there is a smudge on the table even after the diamond is cleaned??

Anyway, thanks in advance!

Sven

2.02 Carat round diamond

This 2.02 carat round diamond F color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Table: 56%

Depth: 61.9%

Crown: 34.5

Pavilion: 41.0

 

[headlight]

Looks like you decided to purchase?

 

[SvenKnip]

Stone is reserved.

 

[tyty333]

Are you in the U.S. ? JA has a very good return policy ...just in case.

My opinion...
I dont think you'll be able to see those crystals under normal viewing. Very, very, (very) small possibility you might be able to find them really up close if you
are looking for them (and they are positioned over a dark arrow). Just depends on how good your eyes are. I know my 50+ eyes would never see them
without a loupe and then it may not be possible.

Ask JA what they think. Ask for an Aset or idealscope image (if they can get it...Probably cant but worth a try). Post if you can get one of them.

To be honest, something doesnt look quite right with the stone. Not sure if its the photog setup or what. Lets see what @flyingpig and @Karl_K
have to say. Karl is limited to what he can say because he is in the trade but he can provide generic type info that is always useful.

 

[kmoro]

I’m with tyty333 except that I will go as far as to say don’t buy this diamond without at least an ASET picture. I am not a trade expert, but have looked at a huge number of pictures of ideal cut diamonds, and either it is the photo set up or there is something not quite right looking about the diamond ... in particular the arrow shaft that isn’t dark at all and in general the look seems off.

 

[SvenKnip]

Are you in the U.S. ? JA has a very good return policy ...just in case.

My opinion...
I dont think you'll be able to see those crystals under normal viewing. Very, very, (very) small possibility you might be able to find them really up close if you
are looking for them (and they are positioned over a dark arrow). Just depends on how good your eyes are. I know my 50+ eyes would never see them
without a loupe and then it may not be possible.

Ask JA what they think. Ask for an Aset or idealscope image (if they can get it...Probably cant but worth a try). Post if you can get one of them.

To be honest, something doesnt look quite right with the stone. Not sure if its the photog setup or what. Lets see what @flyingpig and @Karl_K
have to say. Karl is limited to what he can say because he is in the trade but he can provide generic type info that is always useful.

Thanks @tyty333! I appreciate your insight! Don't know if I like the idea that if you catch it in the right light you can see an inclusion. I've found cheaper SI1's with deeper inclusions that would be more within my budget.

What doesn't look right about it???

There is another stone on hold:

2.01 Carat round diamond

This 2.01 carat round diamond E color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

2.01 E VS2 (Faint fluorescence. The first stone had none.)

Table: 57%
Depth: 62.5%
Pavilion: 40.8
Crown: 35.5

Triple Excellent (Just like the first stone.)

AGS: Ex. (one off from Ideal)
GIA: Ex.
HCA Score: 2.6 (Very Good in all categories. The first stone with the 1.7 had the same, except that it had Excellent light return. Probably due to the 61.9% depth in my lay opinion)

I like the fact that the second stone is an E and has a clean table. All of the inclusions seems to be on the edges. I also like that the crown is 35.5 as I understand it may provide more fire than a lover degree crown (the first stone is 34.5). The depth, however, seems to be testing the limits of "ideal" and could possibly cut down on light performance.

The E seems to give off lighter colors than the first stone - more pink and magenta, etc. I am not sure if I am reading into the hue of the color flashes too much. But I've probably looked at over 100 stones using the JA 360 degree technology (which is pretty darn cool by the way) and find that typically the stones with dimensions closest to ideal have "darker" colors - perhaps indicating that the flashes of color are stronger?

I think the second stone is beautiful and the safer bet given the clean title. I just don't want to make sure I pick the stone with the greatest amount of flashes of fire and brilliance. After all, I have to outdo the ring my sister's husband gave her

Anyway, I appreciate any comments regarding the two.

Thanks!

Sven

 

[kmoro]

Thanks @tyty333! I appreciate your insight! Don't know if I like the idea that if you catch it in the right light you can see an inclusion. I've found cheaper SI1's with deeper inclusions that would be more within my budget.

What doesn't look right about it???

There is another stone on hold:

2.01 Carat round diamond

This 2.01 carat round diamond E color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

2.01 E VS2 (Faint fluorescence. The first stone had none.)

Table: 57%
Depth: 62.5%
Pavilion: 40.8
Crown: 35.5

Triple Excellent (Just like the first stone.)

AGS: Ex. (one off from Ideal)
GIA: Ex.
HCA Score: 2.6 (Very Good in all categories. The first stone with the 1.7 had the same, except that it had Excellent light return. Probably due to the 61.9% depth in my lay opinion)

I like the fact that the second stone is an E and has a clean table. All of the inclusions seems to be on the edges. I also like that the crown is 35.5 as I understand it may provide more fire than a lover degree crown (the first stone is 34.5). The depth, however, seems to be testing the limits of "ideal" and could possibly cut down on light performance.

The E seems to give off lighter colors than the first stone - more pink and magenta, etc. I am not sure if I am reading into the hue of the color flashes too much. But I've probably looked at over 100 stones using the JA 360 degree technology (which is pretty darn cool by the way) and find that typically the stones with dimensions closest to ideal have "darker" colors - perhaps indicating that the flashes of color are stronger?

I think the second stone is beautiful and the safer bet given the clean title. I just don't want to make sure I pick the stone with the greatest amount of flashes of fire and brilliance. After all, I have to outdo the ring my sister's husband gave her

Anyway, I appreciate any comments regarding the two.

Thanks!

Sven

Sven, if you want the best flashes of fire and brilliance, reject any GIA stone that scores over 2 on the HCA. 34.5 with 40.8 is kind of a sweet spot, but nothing can replace an actual light performance test - 35.5 might be ok, might be too steep - you do want some white light return with that fire.

 

[flyingpig]

Are you in the U.S. ? JA has a very good return policy ...just in case.

My opinion...
I dont think you'll be able to see those crystals under normal viewing. Very, very, (very) small possibility you might be able to find them really up close if you
are looking for them (and they are positioned over a dark arrow). Just depends on how good your eyes are. I know my 50+ eyes would never see them
without a loupe and then it may not be possible.

Ask JA what they think. Ask for an Aset or idealscope image (if they can get it...Probably cant but worth a try). Post if you can get one of them.

To be honest, something doesnt look quite right with the stone. Not sure if its the photog setup or what. Lets see what @flyingpig and @Karl_K
have to say. Karl is limited to what he can say because he is in the trade but he can provide generic type info that is always useful.

The F is tilited. It shows minimal leakage and no severely twisted pavilion. It looks promising. I would like to see the ASET.
The E has some leakage. It is just an average and typical 35.5/40.8

 

[flyingpig]

Are you in the U.S. ? JA has a very good return policy ...just in case.

My opinion...
I dont think you'll be able to see those crystals under normal viewing. Very, very, (very) small possibility you might be able to find them really up close if you
are looking for them (and they are positioned over a dark arrow). Just depends on how good your eyes are. I know my 50+ eyes would never see them
without a loupe and then it may not be possible.

Ask JA what they think. Ask for an Aset or idealscope image (if they can get it...Probably cant but worth a try). Post if you can get one of them.

To be honest, something doesnt look quite right with the stone. Not sure if its the photog setup or what. Lets see what @flyingpig and @Karl_K
have to say. Karl is limited to what he can say because he is in the trade but he can provide generic type info that is always useful.

The F is tilited. It looks promising. I would like to see the ASET. I cannot tell if it has leakage for sure; colorless diamonds are harder to assess.
The E has some leakage for sure. It is just average and typical 35.5/40.8

 

[SvenKnip]

I’m with tyty333 except that I will go as far as to say don’t buy this diamond without at least an ASET picture. I am not a trade expert, but have looked at a huge number of pictures of ideal cut diamonds, and either it is the photo set up or there is something not quite right looking about the diamond ... in particular the arrow shaft that isn’t dark at all and in general the look seems off.

Which diamond doesn't look right? Seems like both have one light arrow.

Can't get an ASET. I feel like perfection is toooooo expensive. I have to give something up. Is the fact that one of the arrows is not dark a red flag?

 

[SvenKnip]

The F is tilited. It looks promising. I would like to see the ASET. I cannot tell if it has leakage for sure; colorless diamonds are harder to assess.
The E has some leakage for sure. It is just average and typical 35.5/40.8

So which would you go with? Do you think the two white crystal inclusions on the table will be noticeable?

 

[SvenKnip]

Sven, if you want the best flashes of fire and brilliance, reject any GIA stone that scores over 2 on the HCA. 34.5 with 40.8 is kind of a sweet spot, but nothing can replace an actual light performance test - 35.5 might be ok, might be too steep - you do want some white light return with that fire.

I there a huge difference between the best flashes, HCA under 2, versus 2.6? Like is a HCA 2.6 giving off 90% the flash of an ideal stone, or more like 50%?

Again, this is not going to be perfect. I am just trying to max out where I can. Appreciate the insight. Thanks.

 

[SvenKnip]

I’m with tyty333 except that I will go as far as to say don’t buy this diamond without at least an ASET picture. I am not a trade expert, but have looked at a huge number of pictures of ideal cut diamonds, and either it is the photo set up or there is something not quite right looking about the diamond ... in particular the arrow shaft that isn’t dark at all and in general the look seems off.

These are the stones with some tilting of the 360 degree view.

Top Stone: 2 E VS2 (approx. 6-7 clicks to the left)

Bottom Stone: 2 F VS2 (approx. 1-2 clicks to the left)