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jommel dejesus

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Hi! just wanted to know your thoughts on this e.ring that i just bought. im not totally sure if i got a fish eye diamond right here? though i find it still beautiful. its a triple ex but i know fish eye can still be present even with tiple ex cut grade.IMG-79791343ee3071830b4c297d8b98f1af-V.jpg
 

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lovedogs said:
If you like it thats what matters. It isnt what would be considered an ideal cut, but that's ok if you like it !
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but on the looks of the diamond in the picture? does it fall under those "bad" cut proportion? im not really familiar with how ideal cut diamonds look like in naked eye. most of the diamonds online are viewed magnified right?

would you know if i did get a diamond with fish eye? just curious to know as well.
 
jommel dejesus said:
but on the looks of the diamond in the picture? does it fall under those "bad" cut proportion? im not really familiar with how ideal cut diamonds look like in naked eye. most of the diamonds online are viewed magnified right?

would you know if i did get a diamond with fish eye? just curious to know as well.
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Yes, I think it would fall under "bad" proportions. Ideal diamonds look very different than yours. See here for a super ideal diamond (I just randomly picked a white flash "a cut above" as an example): https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4555970.htm


"Fish eye" is a specific issue with shallow diamonds. My guess is yours has a big table and shallow depth, so it looks flat and has lots of light leakage.
 
lovedogs said:
Yes, I think it would fall under "bad" proportions. Ideal diamonds look very different than yours. See here for a super ideal diamond (I just randomly picked a white flash "a cut above" as an example): https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4555970.htm


"Fish eye" is a specific issue with shallow diamonds. My guess is yours has a big table and shallow depth, so it looks flat and has lots of light leakage.
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I agree, this diamond is likely not well cut. But if you find it beautiful, then our opinion doesn't matter.
 
Post the report number or post an image of it if you really want to know.
If you don't have a return policy do you really want to know?
 
lovedogs said:
Yes, I think it would fall under "bad" proportions. Ideal diamonds look very different than yours. See here for a super ideal diamond (I just randomly picked a white flash "a cut above" as an example): https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4555970.htm


"Fish eye" is a specific issue with shallow diamonds. My guess is yours has a big table and shallow depth, so it looks flat and has lots of light leakage.
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yes thats also one of my observation once i got the diamond and checked it personally for few days. i've already proposed and she said yes and liked it a lot. so i think im settled with the diamond hehe. just wanted to check right now if i have this what they call fish eye. im a bit curious with the patterns that the diamond shows right now. its different with the normal hearts and arrows that youll see with the ideal cut thats why i also started searching if there are also interesting diff. patterns that we may see with round diamonds.
 
Karl_K said:
41.8 is a very deep pavilion so its under table leakage your seeing in the images.
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does this signify a bad cut diamond? but other than that, what do you think of the overall proportion?
 
You don’t have fish eye. That happens when the pavilion is too shallow. You have the exact opposite problem: Your stone’s pavilion is very deep and so the stone is visibly leaking light out the bottom. Those dark areas face-up under the table are areas wherein light isn’t coming out to to you, the viewer on top of the stone, because it’s going out the back of the stone instead.

Since diamond performance is all about light return, and proportions drive light return, the question you’re asking boils down to “how are the overall proportions outside of the-proportions-that-are-creating-light-leakage”, which as you can guess is pretty much impossible to answer.

If you’re happy with the stone then that’s ALL that matters.

Edit - to be clear, the 60% table is not a problem at all. It’s the pavilion angle we’re all commenting on.
 
jommel dejesus said:
does this signify a bad cut diamond? but other than that, what do you think of the overall proportion?
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Yes. The proportions all have to work together for an ideal cut stone. Yours does not have good proportions so it is a bad cut. But if you're stuck with it, I'm not sure it matters one way or the other. Plus, if your fiance is happy, then thats what counts
 
Hello and welcome to PriceScope, jommel dejesus!

The dark areas under the table area are spots of moderate light leakage (windowing - the areas that act light a window and allow light to pass through the diamond instead of bouncing/reflecting the light out the top and back to our eyes).

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Unfortunately, about 70% of the various pavilion angle, crown angle, and table width combinations that meet GIA Excellent Cut are not adequate to appease the physics of light to maximize the beauty of a diamond.

Here's a great comparison video by JannPaul:

If you have the opportunity to return or exchange this diamond for full credit, then I would highly recommend that route.
 
If you proposed and she likes it, try to stop worrying — nobody is going to look at it and say, “Ew! The pavilion!” Anybody who loved diamonds and does notice is going to look at your sweetheart after looking at the diamond, see that she likes the diamond, and come to the conclusion that you did a good job, because the whole point of diamonds is that the person wearing them likes them.

Plus there are many many many worse diamonds out there.
 
How did you arrive here at Pricescope? Is there something about the ring you don’t like and it’s bothering you?

If you bought it because you liked it and it was the right price for your budget, then there is nothing wrong with it.

I wanted to ask before I reply.
 
The main thing is that you like it! I personally liked it looks beautiful!
 
It’s a beautiful and very eye-pleasing ring. Pretty setting, nice proportions, and the center stone looks cool - stands out from the halo in a very cool way.

If she loves it, you have a keeper!
 
thank you guys for giving your thoughts on this, appreciate it a lot! yes she liked it so much that she doesnt want it to have exchange for any reason :)

actually i was just worried since this isn't the original stone that they offered to me, they said that they'll upgrade it by giving me this stone which have higher carat and clarity grade and by that time i accept it since its an upgrade ( they gave this free upgrade since they were late in providing the ring before my planned proposal), but to be honest i was suprised with the diamonds appearance when i got to see it personally, not sure if its just that its my first time seeing diamond in person haha.
heres the original (first) stone's GIA https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2406645178 tho i wasnt able to view this personally as well, but i know it has great proportions basing on what i researched for "ideal" %'s.

and by the way i got here because of doing some research on how to get better diamond (4 c's and etc) , and i think i was doing well with the 1st stone i had. but all in all it was a great experience to know more about diamonds, most definitely this wont be the last diamond i will give to her :)
 
The new stone is larger, high clarity, and has less fluorescence - from a trade standpoint there is certainly no question that it is “an upgrade”.

Your original choice had very different proportions (more what we like to recommend here on PS). The difference in proportions is what makes them “look different” as you describe. Your eyes were/are not lying to you! :))

Now that you know about PS you’ll have this resource in your pocket for all those other diamonds you’ll be giving her ::) Congratulations on your engagement!
 
Definitely the ring of death deep stone not a fisheye and GIA X can never have a fish eye.
 
yssie said:
The new stone is larger, high clarity, and has less fluorescence - from a trade standpoint there is certainly no question that it is “an upgrade”.

Your original choice had very different proportions (more what we like to recommend here on PS). The difference in proportions is what makes them “look different” as you describe. Your eyes were/are not lying to you! :))

Now that you know about PS you’ll have this resource in your pocket for all those other diamonds you’ll be giving her ::) Congratulations on your engagement!
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@yssie just curious as well, if you'll be choosing between the two diamonds, will you be opting for the upgrade or stick with the first one?
 
Garry H (Cut Nut) said:
Definitely the ring of death deep stone not a fisheye and GIA X can never have a fish eye.
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oh they have this so called ring of death as well. ill check on this, tho it sounds like it is really a bad thing haha

thanks for clearing out the fish eye thing!
 
jommel dejesus said:
oh they have this so called ring of death as well. ill check on this, tho it sounds like it is really a bad thing haha

thanks for clearing out the fish eye thing!
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Here is a typical example of the WRONG explanation for a fisheye - it comes up high on Google searches which is why we can't trust online info - scroll down a bit:

And here is the real cause - and they are rarely cut and polished these days and were much worse before polished girdles became the norm as the brutted edges showed that frosted look:

Fish-Eye Effect

A fish-eye is a nasty appearance that you can see just inside the table of a diamond. It looks slightly crazed and dull, just like a dead fishes eye. The […]
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