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A landing Delta jet flipped over in Toronto

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OMG!
It's still early in the news coverage, but so far, according to the report I read, all 80 were evacuated alive, 15 injured.
Glad it wasn't worse!

The physicist/engineering corner of my brain wonders, how could such a long jet flip over, on the ground, without breaking up into sections?

And how are they going to move it?
Because of the investigation they probably don't want to cut it into pieces.
 
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Can't find any video of the landing; however, I am glad it did not break up into pieces on landing; otherwise the number of casualties could be much worse.

Fingers crossed for those who are injured for their speedy recovery.

DK :confused2:
 
So sad and shocking to see yet another plane crash. Hopefully the injured will all have a prompt recovery.
 
Did it flip on approach? When you figure it out, tell me.
 
"The tower warns the pilots of a possible air flow bump in the glide path as the plane comes into land because of a preceding aircraft in front of it."
"Among the questions that need to be answered, Cox said, was why plane was missing a right wing."
What??? Did they look on the other side?
 
Ibrakeforpossums said:
"The tower warns the pilots of a possible air flow bump in the glide path as the plane comes into land because of a preceding aircraft in front of it."
"Among the questions that need to be answered, Cox said, was why plane was missing a right wing."
What??? Did they look on the other side?
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Was landing.
One theory seems to be..
For some reason one wing rose causing the other to ground strike and break off with the plane ending up upside down.
That is unofficial at this point.
 
That seems plausible.. Thanks, Karl.
 
Ibrakeforpossums said:
That seems plausible.. Thanks, Karl.
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Yea it makes sense to me.
I have seen video of it happening to small prop aircraft but have not heard of it happening to jets.
My wifey has flown a few times on that type of aircraft out of Toronto and Montreal and it could be one she rode on.
 
Someone I heard interviewed speculated that it was due to strong crosswinds. We will probably have to wait until investigations are done before we find out what the actual cause was.
 
Such a crazy event. I'm shocked and relieved that everyone was alive, althojgh I heard a few folks were in critical condition.
 
Ibrakeforpossums said:
My father and brother were both pilots and I was along for a number of crosswind landings. They got pretty focused.
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@Ibrakeforpossums
Is "pretty focused" a euphemism for needing a change of:
boxers
briefs
budgie smugglers
tighty-whities
BVDs
drawers
Fruit of the Looms
shorts
unmentionables
skivvies

???? LOL :lol-2:
 
Still no video of the landing, however, I could find videos of the evacuation.

Something up there was looking after them for certain!

DK o_O
 
kenny said:
@Ibrakeforpossums
Is "pretty focused" a euphemism for needing a change of:
boxers
briefs
budgie smugglers
tighty-whities
BVDs
drawers
Fruit of the Looms
shorts
unmentionables
skivvies

???? LOL :lol-2:
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And there's the Grommet Effect.
 
There is some debate if this is real or cgi
If real it doesn't clearly show why.
One theory is it slammed down hard the landing gear punched through the wing spar then the ground strike took it off.
 
dk168 said:
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Something up there was looking after them for certain!
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If so, then it is an @sshole for allowing or making this plane crash.
Ya can't have it both ways.

The only thing up there is sky, then outer space.
Proof? ... Evidence that warrants belief.
No faith pretending needed.
 
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Ibrakeforpossums said:
kenny, you are a devout atheist.
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Thank you.
That's a great compliment.

Just doing my part to spread the Good News to a world that desperately desperately needs it.
Reason & Reality & Truth. =)2
 
Karl_K said:
There is some debate if this is real or cgi
If real it doesn't clearly show why.
One theory is it slammed down hard the landing gear punched through the wing spar then the ground strike took it off.
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This is what I heard. Also some talk about not “flaring” due to crosswind.

I’ve flown as a passenger - and landings all but one have been butter smooth. Pilots attempt to create beautiful smooth landings.

That one time was in a crosswind and the pilot put both wheels down almost at once, eg faster than normal and very hard. It was really scary and entirely unexpected. I’m thinking this was the same situation. The pilot apologized afterwards, said he had to get the wheels down fast (not land first on back wheels then front) due to crosswind.

Praying for all who are recovering from this.
 
The investigation will tell, but I suspect wake turbulence.
It is a giant powerful vortex of rotating air (like a tornado, only horizontal not vertical) that is behind both wing tips of large jets.

I've flown in a small propeller plane with around 20 seats where every seat was both an aisle and window seat.
You couldn't even stand up in the aisle.

Landing at LAX it suddenly twisted so violently that the wings were no longer parallel to the ground.
I don't know if the twist was so great that one wing was pointing to the ground, and the other to the sky ...... but that explains the nature of the motion.

Following too closely to a large jet landing was the cause.
Accidents have been caused by it.

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by wake turbulence - Wikipedia

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en.wikipedia.org

Wake turbulence - Wikipedia

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I just saw the video of the landing that 0-0-0 posted above.

If it was wake turbulence, it must have landed too soon (too close) after a very huge jet landed in front of it.

Time will tell, but it is interesting to ponder what in the world could cause a big jet ending up up side down with an intact fuselage.
 
Just saw a new video from another angle that adds important evidence. ...

Right before touching down both wings were parallel to the ground, so I no long suspect wake turbulence.

Now it appears the right side landing gear under the fuselage failed and collapsed right when it touched the ground.
That resulted in the right wing hitting the ground and breaking off.

But that doesn't seem like enough rotational to cause the fuselage to rotate a full 180°.
Maybe a perfectly-timed strong gust of wind (which were reported at landing time) from the left side of the plane was strong enough to push the left wing up enough to rotate the fuselage around.
But then, maybe the devil did it. :evil2:

Time will tell, but I find it an interesting physics puzzle to ponder.
 
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kenny said:
If so, then it is an @sshole for allowing or making this plane crash.
Ya can't have it both ways.

The only thing up there is sky, then outer space.
Proof? ... Evidence that warrants belief.
No faith pretending needed.
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People vary, etc. etc...

DK :))
 
dk168 said:
People vary, etc. etc...

DK :))
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Yup they surely do, all the way from Gandhi to Hitler.
Ideas vary too, all the way from good to bad, and from reasonable to nonsense.
 
HI:

Check out aircraftmaintainenceengineer X site. Better footage....if you can stomach it. THANK GOD they are all alive!!!

cheers--Sharon
 
www.bbc.com

Toronto: Aviation experts analyse Delta plane crash

Two aviation experts have analysed footage of the plane crash and explored what might have caused it.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Marco Chan, former commercial pilot and lecturer, brings up another factor relevant to the puzzle of the fuselage rotating ... uneven lift.

When the right wing came off the jet was still moving extremely fast.
Air moving over a wing generates lift, enough to lift these many-ton jets into the air.

The lift still being generated by the left wing lifted only the left side of the plane.
Hence the rotation of the fuselage.
 
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Same modal of plane 2015
Right wing strike....scary familiar looking.
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