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A Spinel Saga

Marsha Ayers

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I usually lurk but I wanted to post about my new gem, as it never would have been possible if it weren't for the things I learned on PS. The knowledge everyone shares is so valuable. Even though I'm not active in posting, I learn so much!

When my BF and I started talking about marriage I told him that as an American I need an engagement ring. (He's Swiss and it's not as popular a thing here, aparently.) Since he has heard the song, he knew that he should put a ring on it. He proceeded to send me some ideas he had for rings. "Something modern," he said. They were bad ideas and I'm not saying that in a picky b****, sort of way. They were really quite bad. This was one of the rings he liked:
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I had to explain that that's a man's ring. There were a few mens' rings in the mix. The others he sent created a collage of what it will look like in hell, for the fans of PS.

I realized that the process was stressing him out, so I offered to design the ring myself. It's not as romantic but it's very practical. I was married once before and I loved the ring I designed. I haven't sold it yet because I love it so much but I guess at some point I will have to. I told him that this is something I will wear every day. If I don't like it, I won't wear it and that would be wasted money. Wasting money is very un-Swiss so, he agreed that maybe it would be best if I did the ring shopping. His one request is that I go with an oval stone because that's what he would have bought for me. I don't love oval stones but a good part of marriage is learning to compromise and if this was important to him, then an oval stone it would be.

I knew I wanted a blue stone, as my previous marriage e-ring was imperial topaz and I didn't want anything in the same color range. (Though I would duplicate that ring a thousand times over, if it were socially acceptable.) I also needed a stone that was 2.5 carats or above. I have freakishly long fingers and small stones are the jewelry equivalent of pants that are too short. I also had a small budget, which was self-imposed. BF would have been fine with more but BF has incurred a lot of costs since I moved from California to Switzerland and I don't have a permit to work yet. I realyl wasn't comfortable spending more of his money. Originally, I thought I wanted a sapphire but being unemployed, I just couldn't bring myself to spend that much. I looked at aqua, topaz and zircon but nothing was quite right. I had been lurking on PS for a while and my eyes had been opened to so many wonderful gems. Then I met spinel and it was all over. The search became all about blue spinel (though I love all the colors.) I searched and searched for a good, low price spinel. Price ranges were all over the map and over 2 .5 ct were hard to come by. If you've looked, there's a lot of really stunning, very expensive spinel. I eventually bought a stone from Jim McCormick, on Etsy. It was over 2.5 ct and it was priced at $500. I made him send two videos and I wasn't sure what it would be like in person but I took a chance. This is the ad photo:

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When it arrived it was pretty dead in the middle and was never more than 50% lit up but there was still something very lovely about it. Thanks to PS, I was sure that having it recut would fix it. My poor BF did not understand why I would go through all of this. "It's ok," I told him. "It's going to be amazing when it's done." I contacted Dan Stair, told him I found his name on PS and shipped him the stone.

Dan's initial take was this:

"The stone is dead looking in the middle, mostly because of having a small window. The pavilion is also slightly off-center or deeper at one end than the other. The crown has some minor chips and abrasions also.

This stone seems to need to have the entire pavilion recut and some repair work done on the crown. I may be able to repolish the damaged facets on the top, but may also have to recut the table. That is something I’d have to decided after finding out how much it will take to fix the tiny chips and scuffed facet edges.

Right now, the stone weighs about 2.58 carats. i would guess that a pavilion recut would result in a stone just over two carats, but the same face-up size and much more attractive."

His final assessment was a little different:

So, I just finished fixing up your spinel. There was a little more involved that I thought, as I didn’t notice just how bad the polishing was on the top. First, I recut the entire pavilion into a brilliant oval design. Then, on the top, I started using my polishing lap to do repairs, and found that the facets I fixed were noticeably better polished, which made the stone look a bit odd. So, I went facet by facet and repolished the entire crown. The final weight is 2.29 carats, so I didn’t lose much that way, which is a big advantage of repolishing.

Total price for the work was $120, which brought the stone to $620. Here's the photo Dan sent. It's not super quality so I can't tell what I'm looking at.

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I'm not sure what in that photo is occlusion and what's is just photo quality. All in all, it does look quite a bit more sparkly. I never did see the stone in person though because I had is sent directly to David Klass, to make a ring. It's the closest I will get to being surprised by my ring. He said the spinel was stunning but maybe he says that to all the girls ;-).

Now I'm kind of dying, waiting to see it. I'm excited about the ring design and without having been on PS, I never would have thought to have a ring custom made or even considered that it would be less expensive than buying off the shelf. It's taking extra long because the side stones are an unusual baguette shape and have to be custom cut. A friend will bring the ring when she comes to Switzerland next month but I have to wait for "the proposal" to see it. (BF is trying to surprise me a little.)

Anyway, all of this is to say thank you for all the knowledge shared here and maybe my story will help someone else in their search. . I don't think I would have been able to figure it all out without the help of those who have posted in the past. So, Thanks, everyone!

And in case anyone is wondering, I would buy from Jim again. He does have a return policy and I could easily have sent it back if I didn't like it.

Cheer,

Marsha
 
Great gem story! Your BF is funny, it seems he did get quite involved with the ring research despite himself. I’m glad he let you handle it, you sound like you made full use of your PS knowledge every step of the way. I can’t wait to see your ring, and I love that you don’t really know what it looks like now so it will be a surprise for you too!
 
I hope I can offer you some peace of mind re the re-cut. I purchased a Jackson Crossroads amethyst that had been re-cut (before I bought it) by Dan Stair. Two years later, the jeweler who designed and fabricated the pendant mounting for the amethyst is still raving about what a fabulous job Dan did :))

Looking forward to seeing photos of the completed ring -- I sure hope that your BF proposes soon after it arrives in Switzerland!
 
Also, I was thinking, is it necessary to sell your old e-ring if you loved it? An imperial topaz is something special, and it sounds like you love the setting too. Can it not be tweaked into a RHR? I must admit that I have kept jewelry and accessories from long lost ex-bfs of the past. Of course, that said, they are not as emotionally charged as wedding rings are.

Still, I would say... if Liz Taylor can hold on to her bling, so can you ;))
 
Owww, cannot wait to see what David Klass will create with your stone. Thanks for sharing your gem story
 
Just congratulations! Great story, and will be following it with anticipation.
 
Congratulations. The recut looks like it really lit your spinel up. Please post pics after the proposal. What a wonderful story and I look forward to seeing your lovely ring.
P.S. I kept my first wedding ring for over a twelve years after the divorce. The only reason I parted with it was I no longer wore it and I wanted to finance a colored stone project.
 
It looks like a different stone! I have an emerald that is with David Klass and I am waiting for it to be set in a pendant. He has had it since June 8, so not very long. I have no idea how long my wait is though. Every day I log onto IG to see if it is posted lol.

I can’t wait to see yours set!
 
I am sure you are going to be pleasantly surprised on how pretty the spinel looks after the re-cut and having David Klass set it. So excited for you and congrats on your engagement!
 
Congratulations on your pending engagement and I'm keen to see how your spinel looks in its mystery setting once he proposes!
I really enjoyed your story and would LOVE to see some of the other options he was considering given the stunning example you posted above :mrgreen2:
I'd also really like to see your imperial topaz ring - and I agree, do you have to get rid of it if you're not holding onto any bad feelings about that relationship and you love the piece for itself?
 
I think it will be fine, and you will be surprised what a difference a good recut will make to it. Please post photos when you get it!!!
 
What a wonderful ring story! I love how you and your boyfriend so thoughtfully considered each other’s feelings. Blue spinels are so deep and mysterious looking. You’ve got a special find! Looking forward to hearing how the ring turns out. Bless you both! <3
 
Congratulations and a great story Marsha, glad you posted it. I love seeing the recuts before and after. Here's another wish for you to come back and post handshots!

And sorry for the off topic:
It looks like a different stone! I have an emerald that is with David Klass and I am waiting for it to be set in a pendant. He has had it since June 8, so not very long. I have no idea how long my wait is though. Every day I log onto IG to see if it is posted lol.

I can’t wait to see yours set!

Whitewave - I can't tell if you say in jest, just thought I'd add that I think DK doesn't post on IG until after you see pics/video and approve. As well as I think he doesn't post all projects that he does. I do know my ring was not posted at all for weeks after I got it, and I'm paranoid enough to think it only got posted because I (embarrassingly) whined like a child about it on here.
 
Congratulations and a great story Marsha, glad you posted it. I love seeing the recuts before and after. Here's another wish for you to come back and post handshots!

And sorry for the off topic:


Whitewave - I can't tell if you say in jest, just thought I'd add that I think DK doesn't post on IG until after you see pics/video and approve. As well as I think he doesn't post all projects that he does. I do know my ring was not posted at all for weeks after I got it, and I'm paranoid enough to think it only got posted because I (embarrassingly) whined like a child about it on here.

Lol. I’m about to start whining. And who am I kidding? I log onto IG a every day anyway. :whistle:
 
I hope I can offer you some peace of mind re the re-cut. I purchased a Jackson Crossroads amethyst that had been re-cut (before I bought it) by Dan Stair. Two years later, the jeweler who designed and fabricated the pendant mounting for the amethyst is still raving about what a fabulous job Dan did :))

Looking forward to seeing photos of the completed ring -- I sure hope that your BF proposes soon after it arrives in Switzerland!

Thank you! I felt confident that he would be able to get the most out of the stone. I have read some of his articles on recutting and he has been honest about some of the mistakes he made, as well as having some really spectacular successes. Do you have photos of your amethyst on the forum? I would love to see it.

Marsha
 
Also, I was thinking, is it necessary to sell your old e-ring if you loved it? An imperial topaz is something special, and it sounds like you love the setting too. Can it not be tweaked into a RHR? I must admit that I have kept jewelry and accessories from long lost ex-bfs of the past. Of course, that said, they are not as emotionally charged as wedding rings are.

Still, I would say... if Liz Taylor can hold on to her bling, so can you ;))

Sorry for the late reply. Life got busy!

I am really torn about keeping versus selling and you bring up some great points. I definitely can not keep it as-is and wear it. I think it would be upsetting to my current fiance (who is a rather sensitive kind of guy) and shocking to my friends. Since I created it, I don't feel like it's much a part of our marriage but I can see why others feel that way. Maybe I'll post it up on the jewelry forum and see if anyone has an idea for switching it up, to make it something a little less recognizable. Maybe an obscenely large cocktail ring. The imperial topaz was something I bought before I knew anything about gemstones (I was looking for a yellow sapphire but couldn't find a color I liked) so it's not the best example. It's clean and either 2.6 or 2.8 ct (I can't remember.) It's more of the peachy color, so I assume it's heated. I read that heating doesn't affect value of the IT like other stones but I also see a big variation in price of these stones. I love the stone though, so I keep considering sending it to be refreshed and maybe a little re-cut so it's less recognizable, and having it set in something else. I'm on board wiwth the logic that if it's good enough for Liz Taylor, it's good enough for me. I'll have to strongly consider this. Thanks!
 
Lol. I’m about to start whining. And who am I kidding? I log onto IG a every day anyway. :whistle:

I do the same thing. I like to wake up to sparkly things.

I asked them to have my ring done by a certain date so we have been working toward that. They seemed confident that it would be done this week, so friend can had carry it to Switzerland when she visits next week. Otherwise, we will have to pay the Swiss import tax and then any savings go out the window. (Which is, of course, the point. Swiss government likes to keep the economy in-house.)
 
Congratulations on your pending engagement and I'm keen to see how your spinel looks in its mystery setting once he proposes!
I really enjoyed your story and would LOVE to see some of the other options he was considering given the stunning example you posted above :mrgreen2:
I'd also really like to see your imperial topaz ring - and I agree, do you have to get rid of it if you're not holding onto any bad feelings about that relationship and you love the piece for itself?

Ok, you asked for it! Ihtink i did post the worst of them but here are the others. **Warning: Graphic images**

He kept insisting on small stones. I have long fingers and I use that to justify wearing large stones, because I like them.

The early suggestions:

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These are some later examples, after I has sent him several links to what I like. They aren't as bad but why not go with one of the rings I sent? The reason is a mystery but it might have something to do with the fact that the first ring is $250:

https://www.schmuck.ch/de_ch/solitaer-ring-375-9-k-weissgold-blauer-topas-o9-mm-583684.html
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https://www.glamira.ch/glamira-ring-alegra-0.8-crt.html#.Wr_9r1Eg2n4.whatsapp

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I do appreciate him trying. It's just not his thing. He's a really amazing scientist. He is not really amazing with design.
 
Ok, you asked for it! Ihtink i did post the worst of them but here are the others. **Warning: Graphic images**

He kept insisting on small stones. I have long fingers and I use that to justify wearing large stones, because I like them.

The early suggestions:

upload_2018-7-2_10-36-25.png

upload_2018-7-2_10-37-29.png


These are some later examples, after I has sent him several links to what I like. They aren't as bad but why not go with one of the rings I sent? The reason is a mystery but it might have something to do with the fact that the first ring is $250:

https://www.schmuck.ch/de_ch/solitaer-ring-375-9-k-weissgold-blauer-topas-o9-mm-583684.html
upload_2018-7-2_10-32-57.png

https://www.glamira.ch/glamira-ring-alegra-0.8-crt.html#.Wr_9r1Eg2n4.whatsapp

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I do appreciate him trying. It's just not his thing. He's a really amazing scientist. He is not really amazing with design.

I like the first two rings he came up with. His taste is modern and clean. Not what I would consider traditional wedding rings but they would make stylish unisex rings. I feel like I know his decorating style as well based on this!
 
Aw bless him. I can see why you were horrified with the first few if you’re wanting a more standard solitaire/feminine ring :mrgreen2:
 
Yes! I told him, the first one would be a lovely ring for him. It's just not me, at all. I would love to have an more feminine, sapphire, channel set eternity band to match his, if he got one! The second one could be cool, if it had a nice stone and was well made (I can't tell from the photo) but I can't imagine that it would survive as an every day ring. I would worry that with one whack, the corner would come right off the stone.

He is very much the modern euro style. We have had a fun time moving my eclectic furniture into the same space. :confused2:
 
He is very much the modern euro style. We have had a fun time moving my eclectic furniture into the same space. :confused2:
I’ll bet it actually looks all the cooler for the mix!
 
Ok, you asked for it! Ihtink i did post the worst of them but here are the others. **Warning: Graphic images**

He kept insisting on small stones. I have long fingers and I use that to justify wearing large stones, because I like them.

The early suggestions:

upload_2018-7-2_10-36-25.png

upload_2018-7-2_10-37-29.png


These are some later examples, after I has sent him several links to what I like. They aren't as bad but why not go with one of the rings I sent? The reason is a mystery but it might have something to do with the fact that the first ring is $250:

https://www.schmuck.ch/de_ch/solitaer-ring-375-9-k-weissgold-blauer-topas-o9-mm-583684.html
upload_2018-7-2_10-32-57.png

https://www.glamira.ch/glamira-ring-alegra-0.8-crt.html#.Wr_9r1Eg2n4.whatsapp

upload_2018-7-2_10-34-26.png

I do appreciate him trying. It's just not his thing. He's a really amazing scientist. He is not really amazing with design.
I've heard it said that Europeans generally have smaller center stones for engagement rings, but go for better quality/cut, especially compared to Americans (who go for larger sized gemstones), so that while their stones are smaller, the ring shines more than much larger American rings.
 
I've heard it said that Europeans generally have smaller center stones for engagement rings, but go for better quality/cut, especially compared to Americans (who go for larger sized gemstones), so that while their stones are smaller, the ring shines more than much larger American rings.

That's probably true. In general, I find the taste runs towards smaller stones. Swiss Mister's tastes run toward less expensive, regardless of the two! ;)) He is coming around. I've been explaining how the cut of the stone changes performance and he leans towards the better quality. He also insisted that we go with platinum, because he feels it's more durable. He may be a minimalist but I think I can teach him about quality.
 
I’ll bet it actually looks all the cooler for the mix!

I think so! I appreciate people who can stick with a single style but the world is more interesting with a mix.
 
What a lovely story! Guys can be so funny about jewelry. I told my now-husband I wanted a cushion cut in the center flanked by baguettes, and for he longest time he called my ring “pillow and breads”.
 
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