Any red flags with this diamond?

[Chompiras]

Diamond newbie here!

I'm looking for a diamond with very high sparkle to go in a simple white gold ring.
(It's not an engagement ring, just a present for my amazing wife. Engagement diamond rings aren't customary in our culture so I didn't buy her one when we got engaged)

I read that color of I-J and clarity SI1-SI2 are barely noticeable to the untrained eye and will give the best value for money so cut & carat can be prioritised.
I also looked at the range of ideal proportions (table, depth) for maximum sparkle.

This diamond seems great value to me and it's within my budget:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-16733160

Any red flags with it??
Am I missing any obvious defect?
Am I thinking about it right?

Thanks!

 

[tyty333]

Wow, nice gift!

So, how good is your eye-sight? I have a feeling once you see that inclusion on the table you will always see it since
its a relatively large stone. It could have a slightly better cut. 34 crown could use a larger pavilion (like 41 degrees)
but its not the worst. Let PSers look around some and see what else they can find.

You probably want to put this stone on hold for the time being while we look around.

 

[DejaWiz]

Hello and welcome to PriceScope, Chompiras!
Agree with tyty333 - the type, size, quantity, and placement of any inclusions are going to be the biggest determining factors of whether or not a given diamond is "eye-clean", and this particular diamond carries a bit of risk due to the sizes and placements of its inclusions.
We can definitely help you try to find some better options out there: what's your budget cap for just the loose diamond, minimum color, and minimum carat weight (or diameter)?
Nobody here is going to try and sell you anything: it's forbidden on this forum since we are consumers looking out for our fellow consumers.

 

[lovedogs]

What's your budget? We are happy to help

 

[headlight]

You do not want that knot on the table - it’s a definite pass!

 

[Bz_Sa]

Diamond newbie here!

I'm looking for a diamond with very high sparkle to go in a simple white gold ring.
(It's not an engagement ring, just a present for my amazing wife. Engagement diamond rings aren't customary in our culture so I didn't buy her one when we got engaged)

I read that color of I-J and clarity SI1-SI2 are barely noticeable to the untrained eye and will give the best value for money so cut & carat can be prioritised.
I also looked at the range of ideal proportions (table, depth) for maximum sparkle.

This diamond seems great value to me and it's within my budget:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-16733160

Any red flags with it??
Am I missing any obvious defect?
Am I thinking about it right?

Thanks!

Hi,

it's a nice stone although there are some better options like friends say, a crown degree of 34.5 is better and a smaller table like 57% or 56% is also better, but this is a cool diamond.

my opinion is that if you are looking to buy a natural diamond buy the quality which is reputed as an investment quality.

Color: G-H
Clarity: VS
Size: 1.01+ ct
Cut: accurate Standard round brilliant cut (This is the most important one)
Fluorescence: None
Girdle: "Faceted" and with the thickness of "thin", "medium", or "Slightly thick"

I would suggest reconsidering the color and the clarity, the cut quality of this stone is excellent for sure but you can take a look at "True Hearts" from JamesAllen or "A Cut Above" from Whiteflash which shows the Hearts and Arrows pattern and accepted to be the most accurate cut for standard round brilliant.

about the accuracy of the cut, you may look for AGS 000 cut quality or GIA 3EX (Like the stone you chose) although AGS 000 is more accurate than GIA 3Ex, but both of them are accepted in the market and pretty amazing.

About the maximum sparkle that is desired by you, I would suggest the Hearts and Arrows pattern which seems to be the cut with the highest fire and highest brilliance among all kinds of diamond cuts.

also, you mentioned that the clarity is not so noticeable by untrained eyes, I disagree because some people are looking at things so carefully and closely and many look at it just easily and not so closely, so it's visible for untrained but careful eyes (I mean the SI1)

Also, you may consider Lab Grown diamonds which can't be differentiated from natural ones by no naked eye (even an expert)
this way you can buy a really big and beautiful diamond with this budget, but you can not consider a lab-grown diamond as an investment or an asset.

Good quality Natural diamond ------> Investment/Asset
any quality Lab-grown diamond-----> expense/money burning


Best of Luck

 

[Chompiras]

Thank you so much for the detailed feedback. That’s an interesting perspective on thinking about a natural diamond as an asset, or else going lab grown. My feeling is that lab grown takes the magic away, which is a big part of the charm of a diamond.
I’ll consider going more colourless at the expense of size, and avoid any major inclusions per the other comments.

thanks!

 

[SparkleMax]

Very debatable whether a natural diamond at those spec could be considered an investment IMO. I also have a lab diamond that is imbued with intense magical energy, confirmed by many experts.

 

[headlight]

Hi,

it's a nice stone although there are some better options like friends say, a crown degree of 34.5 is better and a smaller table like 57% or 56% is also better, but this is a cool diamond.

my opinion is that if you are looking to buy a natural diamond buy the quality which is reputed as an investment quality.

Color: G-H
Clarity: VS
Size: 1.01+ ct
Cut: accurate Standard round brilliant cut (This is the most important one)
Fluorescence: None
Girdle: "Faceted" and with the thickness of "thin", "medium", or "Slightly thick"

I would suggest reconsidering the color and the clarity, the cut quality of this stone is excellent for sure but you can take a look at "True Hearts" from JamesAllen or "A Cut Above" from Whiteflash which shows the Hearts and Arrows pattern and accepted to be the most accurate cut for standard round brilliant.

about the accuracy of the cut, you may look for AGS 000 cut quality or GIA 3EX (Like the stone you chose) although AGS 000 is more accurate than GIA 3Ex, but both of them are accepted in the market and pretty amazing.

About the maximum sparkle that is desired by you, I would suggest the Hearts and Arrows pattern which seems to be the cut with the highest fire and highest brilliance among all kinds of diamond cuts.

also, you mentioned that the clarity is not so noticeable by untrained eyes, I disagree because some people are looking at things so carefully and closely and many look at it just easily and not so closely, so it's visible for untrained but careful eyes (I mean the SI1)

Also, you may consider Lab Grown diamonds which can't be differentiated from natural ones by no naked eye (even an expert)
this way you can buy a really big and beautiful diamond with this budget, but you can not consider a lab-grown diamond as an investment or an asset.

Good quality Natural diamond ------> Investment/Asset
any quality Lab-grown diamond-----> expense/money burning


Best of Luck

With all due respect, “investment quality” is no less than colorless with VVS clarity.
True Hearts, which may be a good pick, are not ACA nor Brian Gavin which are the top.
As for Hearts & Arrows, all super ideal diamonds have H&A, but not all H&A are super ideals.
There are many SI1s, and even SI2s that are eye clean… it all depends on the type of clarity characteristics and their size, location, relief, and number.
Some lab grown diamonds can be visually differentiated from natural by gemologists and, of course, the lab diamond’s inclusions will separate it from natural, albeit advances in technology have made it more difficult with standard gemological equipment thus requiring the stone be sent to a reputable gem lab who have the equipment.
As for fluorescence, faint is fine with even the colorless range, and medium can be a good pairing with G color and below.
AGS Laboratory “merged” with GIA as of 2023 so any stones graded after that point will have a GIA report. If the stone has the elements to meet the AGS 000 grade there will be an accompanying document to the standard GIA grading report.
As to your comments regarding proportions, please read this:

Diamond Proportions

The physics of light-behavior within a diamond are reliably consistent, which means proportions measurements can be useful.

www.pricescope.com

 

[headlight]

Thank you so much for the detailed feedback. That’s an interesting perspective on thinking about a natural diamond as an asset, or else going lab grown. My feeling is that lab grown takes the magic away, which is a big part of the charm of a diamond.
I’ll consider going more colourless at the expense of size, and avoid any major inclusions per the other comments.

thanks!

I so agree with your words: “My feeling is that lab grown takes the magic away, which is a big part of the charm of a diamond.”
That is the best way I have heard that sentiment expressed!

 

[Bz_Sa]

Thank you so much for the detailed feedback. That’s an interesting perspective on thinking about a natural diamond as an asset, or else going lab grown. My feeling is that lab grown takes the magic away, which is a big part of the charm of a diamond.
I’ll consider going more colourless at the expense of size, and avoid any major inclusions per the other comments.

thanks!

So happy if I could help, the smallest thing I could do.

I suggest you to read and study, not my words or other's are so perfect.

For sure I agree that the nature is the real magic.

wish you a brilliant life

Why and How to Invest in Diamonds? | Whiteflash

Diamond as an investment - a much debated subject. Here are some considerations when thinking about investing in diamonds.

www.whiteflash.com

 

[Bz_Sa]

Very debatable whether a natural diamond at those spec could be considered an investment IMO. I also have a lab diamond that is imbued with intense magical energy, confirmed by many experts.

Diamonds are the same in formula no matter lab-grown or natural.

Lab-growns are beautiful like natural ones and when you wanna buy one everything is so amazing and lovely, as soon as you ask an expert to buy it from you you will consider new things.

About the investment you may change your mind as soon as you decide to sell your lab-grown diamond with modified cut, but the real important thing is that you like it; happiness is more valuable than any diamond

 

[TXwidow]

OP never asked for an 'investment' quality diamond (and, truthfully, the average buyer isn't going to need/want/be able to afford such a thing). Diamonds are not an 'investment item' for most folks (unless someone here has millions to 'invest' in a diamond.

 

[Kim N]

How about this one?

2.01 Carat round diamond

This 2.01 carat round diamond J color si1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

 

[lovedogs]

Hi,

it's a nice stone although there are some better options like friends say, a crown degree of 34.5 is better and a smaller table like 57% or 56% is also better, but this is a cool diamond.

my opinion is that if you are looking to buy a natural diamond buy the quality which is reputed as an investment quality.

Color: G-H
Clarity: VS
Size: 1.01+ ct
Cut: accurate Standard round brilliant cut (This is the most important one)
Fluorescence: None
Girdle: "Faceted" and with the thickness of "thin", "medium", or "Slightly thick"

I would suggest reconsidering the color and the clarity, the cut quality of this stone is excellent for sure but you can take a look at "True Hearts" from JamesAllen or "A Cut Above" from Whiteflash which shows the Hearts and Arrows pattern and accepted to be the most accurate cut for standard round brilliant.

about the accuracy of the cut, you may look for AGS 000 cut quality or GIA 3EX (Like the stone you chose) although AGS 000 is more accurate than GIA 3Ex, but both of them are accepted in the market and pretty amazing.

About the maximum sparkle that is desired by you, I would suggest the Hearts and Arrows pattern which seems to be the cut with the highest fire and highest brilliance among all kinds of diamond cuts.

also, you mentioned that the clarity is not so noticeable by untrained eyes, I disagree because some people are looking at things so carefully and closely and many look at it just easily and not so closely, so it's visible for untrained but careful eyes (I mean the SI1)

Also, you may consider Lab Grown diamonds which can't be differentiated from natural ones by no naked eye (even an expert)
this way you can buy a really big and beautiful diamond with this budget, but you can not consider a lab-grown diamond as an investment or an asset.

Good quality Natural diamond ------> Investment/Asset
any quality Lab-grown diamond-----> expense/money burning


Best of Luck

Diamonds are horrible investments unless you're talking about museum quality. Definitely do not think about them this way as it isn't true. They are all an expense and will not hold value. Lab Diamonds are cheaper and also don't hold value

 

[lovedogs]

Diamonds are the same in formula no matter lab-grown or natural.

Lab-growns are beautiful like natural ones and when you wanna buy one everything is so amazing and lovely, as soon as you ask an expert to buy it from you you will consider new things.

About the investment you may change your mind as soon as you decide to sell your lab-grown diamond with modified cut, but the real important thing is that you like it; happiness is more valuable than any diamond

What are you talking about? You are not helping the original poster. Neither lab or natural diamonds are an investment. Neither will make you a profit trying to sell.

 

[Chompiras]

How about this one?

2.01 Carat round diamond

This 2.01 carat round diamond J color si1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

Thanks for the recommendation, looks great. Any concern with the strong blue fluorescence? I read it may actually be beneficial in colors I-N.