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Are there any structural / durability issues for this Old mine cut diamond - Si2 indented naturals, cavity, and large feathers?

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Hi everyone,

I would really appreciate your advice or opinion regarding whether the centre diamond in this three stone ring can stand up to daily wear. The diamond is eye clean, so I’m more concerned about the stone’s potential durability or structural issues due to the indented naturals, cavity, chips and large feather.

The GIA number is 2221980211. I’ve also attached a photo of GIA’s clarity map.

And here are the links to the ring:



Thanks so much for your help!!

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First, put this ring on hold before someone poaches it.
 
Second, my philosophy on old cuts is different from most PS members. It took me decades to figure out that I personally value the antiqueness of the cut over the 4Cs.

This means I own some examples of historical cuts which I acquired despite inclusions or naturals or even outright chips. Outright chips are most likely from the cutting process itself or also possibly the setting process.

I don’t see obvious chips on this center stone, but I didn’t look hard. I do see facet junction wear, which on an antique stone I do like, because it visually defines the faceting, IMO. I’ve never gotten a technical answer for how facet junction wear on some very old antique stones occurs. No idea, but it can’t be from wearing the stone mounted because it occurs also on the pavilion and around the culet.

i am not concerned about the durability of this particular stone since it’s already mounted after grading and so well protected with prongs. Other people might disagree!

To me the center stone looks like a very old cut stone, a cross between a Peruzzi, and an Old Mine Cushion. It’s got all the cool faceting a Peruzzi has (huge high crown, and those four rays radiating outwards from the culet - I don’t know proper terminology! etc.) but it’s more rounded not squared more oval. It’s got a razor thin girdle (Typical for that time period) which makes it more fragile. I personally wouldn’t worry about durability, I like having the girdle exposed like it is, pronged versus bezel, and those are sturdy prongs protecting it.

The other two stones have really raggedy looking bruted girdles, likely are younger and are like I said a bit rougher cut, (less technical) and one is an I1. The center diamond is pretty unique. If it performs like a Peruzzi it will have broad flashes of light and IMO the high crown plus the larger facets have a dramatic effect.

My teeny tiny Peruzzi with a chip on the crown has a big personality due to blocky facets, similar to the modern AVCs, though not as good light return which is typical of these antique cuts with high crowns maximized for weight.

I honestly can’t judge performance from this video But someone else might be able to. I’d order it and see how you like it in person. Good Luck.
 
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HI:

Can't help with the essentials, but your avatar is hysterical!

cheers--Sharon
 
Second, my philosophy on old cuts is different from most PS members. It took me decades to figure out that I personally value the antiqueness of the cut over the 4Cs.

This means I own some examples of historical cuts which I acquired despite inclusions or naturals or even outright chips. Outright chips are most likely from the cutting process itself or also possibly the setting process.

I don’t see obvious chips on this center stone, but I didn’t look hard. I do see facet junction wear, which on an antique stone I do like, because it visually defines the faceting, IMO. I’ve never gotten a technical answer for how facet junction wear on some very old antique stones occurs. No idea, but it can’t be from wearing the stone mounted because it occurs also on the pavilion and around the culet.

i am not concerned about the durability of this particular stone since it’s already mounted after grading and so well protected with prongs. Other people might disagree!

To me the center stone looks like a very old cut stone, a cross between a Peruzzi, and an Old Mine Cushion. It’s got all the cool faceting a Peruzzi has (huge high crown, and those four rays radiating outwards from the culet - I don’t know proper terminology! etc.) but it’s more rounded not squared more oval. It’s got a razor thin girdle (Typical for that time period) which makes it more fragile. I personally wouldn’t worry about durability, I like having the girdle exposed like it is, pronged versus bezel, and those are sturdy prongs protecting it.

The other two stones have really raggedy looking bruted girdles, likely are younger and are like I said a bit rougher cut, (less technical) and one is an I1. The center diamond is pretty unique. If it performs like a Peruzzi it will have broad flashes of light and IMO the high crown plus the larger facets have a dramatic effect.

My teeny tiny Peruzzi with a chip on the crown has a big personality due to blocky facets, similar to the modern AVCs, though not as good light return which is typical of these antique cuts with high crowns maximized for weight.

I honestly can’t judge performance from this video But someone else might be able to. I’d order it and see how you like it in person. Good Luck.

Thanks SO much for your thoughtful and thorough feedback, LightBright. Your own experiences and observations are reassuring. The GIA plot was a bit scary to see at first but you’ve helped to put my mind at ease.

I’ve just bought the ring. It’s actually a gift for my mum. I’ll be visiting her abroad for Christmas and it will be the first time I’ve seen her in five years (house move, Covid, had a baby, health, etc.). She’s only ever had modern round brilliants, so I thought I’d introduce old mine cuts to her. I’m nervous, I hope she will like it!

I also thought the faceting pattern of the centre stone was more unique and a bit different from the classic pinwheel look of old mine cut diamonds. I adore the classic pinwheels but I thought the cut of this one looked pretty cool too. It’s also set in white gold which I’ve found to be harder to find with old cut diamonds, and my mum doesn’t wear yellow gold.

Thank you so much again, I’m so grateful for your help!
 
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