Are these good hearts and arrows?
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Thank you for your insights! How close to ideal would it be? I don't need something perfect, but would pay more and am willing to take suggestions for something in the 0.7 to 0.8ct range if the value is there. Open to other vendors - this is shipping to Canada if that matters.
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www.jamesallen.com
Below is the HCA which seems decent? I'm a noob though.
I also wonder if the August GIA cert date is a problem?
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0.70 Carat round diamond
This 0.7 carat round diamond G color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.jamesallen.com
Below is the HCA which seems decent? I'm a noob though.
I also wonder if the August GIA cert date is a problem?
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Thank you for your insights! How close to ideal would it be? I don't need something perfect, but would pay more and am willing to take suggestions for something in the 0.7 to 0.8ct range if the value is there. Open to other vendors - this is shipping to Canada if that matters.
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0.70 Carat round diamond
This 0.7 carat round diamond G color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
Below is the HCA which seems decent? I'm a noob though.
I also wonder if the August GIA cert date is a problem?
Hello and welcome to PriceScope, scopeitup!
The proportions and angles fall into ideal ranges, but it's the symmetry precision that is the concern: it looks like there's signs of light leakage due to pavilion twist:
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Here are some super ideal cut options with guaranteed light performance and a significantly better lifetime upgrade policy, where you can trade in for any stone of equal or greater value (instead of having to spend double at James Allen).
Diamond | 0.716 ct H SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4483030
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.716 carat H color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4483030
www.whiteflash.com
Diamond | 0.718 ct G SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4543828
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.718 carat G color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4543828
www.whiteflash.com
Diamond | 0.703 ct E SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4494065
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.703 carat E color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4494065
www.whiteflash.com
Diamond | 0.727 ct F SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4543827
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.727 carat F color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4543827
www.whiteflash.com
Diamond | 0.710 ct F SI1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4531045
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.710 carat F color SI1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4531045
www.whiteflash.com
This one's not a super ideal cut, but has better light return than the James Allen stone for only a little bit more.
Diamond | 0.73 ct H SI1 Premium Select Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4526937
This fabulous 0.73 carat Round Excellent cut diamond has a clarity grade of SI1 and color grade of H.It is an excellent choice for diamond engagement rings or other fine diamond jewelry. | 4526937
www.whiteflash.com
The GF is a bit picky about inclusions, so we're definitely looking at something that is more "mind" clean (VS2 or above). We are extremely unlikely to trade in the stone, so just want to get the most value for the money now.
However, I did find this ACA, it seems cheaper than other 0.7s of lower size on Whiteflash...what gives? https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4483030.htm
Are there issues with I colours that I should be aware of? We did check out diamonds in person too and found G-I to be very similar, if not visibly the same.
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Lots of reasons could explain it, including how much it cost to acquire.
No issues at all, especially since you've both seen them in person.
How about one of these?
Diamond | 0.756 ct I VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4531049
This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.756 carat I color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4531049
www.whiteflash.com
Diamond | 0.72 ct I VS2 Premium Select Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4507603
This fabulous 0.72 carat Round Excellent cut diamond has a clarity grade of VS2 and color grade of I.It is an excellent choice for diamond engagement rings or other fine diamond jewelry. | 4507603
www.whiteflash.com
OK, we kept going back and now we want something that is minimum H for colour since it will probably be mounted on a solitaire where we can see the side as well.
Is there anything wrong with this True hearts from JA? I read their criteria is not as strict so don't know if their hearts and arrows have problems: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...olor-vs2-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-16407132
Is this one from WF a better super ideal cut? https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4483029.htm?a_aid=PS
The JA one is slightly bigger for a cheaper price.
Is there anything wrong with this True hearts from JA? I read their criteria is not as strict so don't know if their hearts and arrows have problems: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...olor-vs2-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-16407132
Is this one from WF a better super ideal cut? https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4483029.htm?a_aid=PS
The JA one is slightly bigger for a cheaper price.
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The JA stone has some leakage under the table (the whitish areas under the table in the Ideal-Scope image). If it were for me, I would spend the small amount extra to get the perfect performance of the Whiteflash stone.
Is there any issue with the cert for the WF one being not recent enough (April)?
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It's an in-house stone that WF has had the entire time, so it's fine.
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Thanks all for the replies! Did some more research and created a poll here: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/0-702-ct-h-vs2-or-0-756-ct-i-vs2-aca-diamond.276406/
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It has long been my practice to show diamonds to clients in a slotted tray with three to five diamonds randomly placed. I say nothing. Then I let THEIR EYES do the talking... This often has dramatic consequences in the choosing of the diamond. I know this is not always easy to arrange, but I am reminded of when I was sending three diamonds to a store in Texas to share with a client who, it turns out, was having two diamonds sent in which were also AGS0 cut grades.
The client called to say not to bother sending the diamonds as he was having two sent in to look at and was going to choose between the two from another vendor as they were x% cheaper. I told him I was going to send the diamonds anyway as he deserved to see what he was not seeing. He told me it was a waste of my money, but for sure not to send the SI1 diamond as no way was he going to take an SI1. I sent it anyway.
The next day he showed up for his appointment and the jeweler had all five diamonds randomly placed on the slotted tray. He asked which diamond the client liked best. After a minute or two he pointed at two of the diamonds and said, these two just do not sparkle like the others. The jeweler removed them from the tray and put them in the case. He then turned a little gray and said, "I just removed the two from XYZ, didn't I?"
"Yup," responded the jeweler.
An hour or so later, he called me and asked why I had sent that "darned SI1?" I told him I sent it because it was the best deal for him, nearly 1.5 carats and $500 cheaper than the 1.10 and 1.11 carat VS quality diamonds. I thought you would like it best of all.
He wanted to know why, I told him because at nearly 1.5 carats it would have larger flashes of both white and colored light and our eyes LOVE larger flashes of light.
He was still a little grumpy and asked why the diamonds were x% more expensive than the other vendors diamonds. I told him my diamonds were priced correctly, the other diamonds were discounted because they were cut steeper and deeper to retain excess weight at the cost of maximum light return, even though they barely qualified for the AGS0 cut grade.
This is the point most people do not understand. To properly cut a diamond, more weight is lost, even though the cutter had to pay the same for the rough as someone who was going to fudge the finished weight higher than it really should be. Those higher weighing diamonds sell at a discount because they yield a higher weighing diamond that cost less to produce than what a properly cut diamond costs.
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What Wink says is often true in side by sides.
However there is a law of diminishing returns.
There is also a law of grease and oils on the back of a diamond. Call it the Dirty Holloway Law.
Diamonds have the highest affinity for oils of all materials.
diamonds get oil on the pavilion because it does not rub off, and the oils collect dust, dirt and dead wearer skin bits. (You cant unsee that can you?)
Since diamonds being worn are dirty 99% of the time, the thing I like to do is push the diamond into that 3M product that you stick posters on the wall with. It is called Blu Tack in Australia.
That's the closest fair way of comparing how the diamonds will look.
The unfair way is with white plasticine.
Slightly shallow diamonds win every time! Even if their symmetry is not great.
However there is a law of diminishing returns.
There is also a law of grease and oils on the back of a diamond. Call it the Dirty Holloway Law.
Diamonds have the highest affinity for oils of all materials.
diamonds get oil on the pavilion because it does not rub off, and the oils collect dust, dirt and dead wearer skin bits. (You cant unsee that can you?)
Since diamonds being worn are dirty 99% of the time, the thing I like to do is push the diamond into that 3M product that you stick posters on the wall with. It is called Blu Tack in Australia.
That's the closest fair way of comparing how the diamonds will look.
The unfair way is with white plasticine.
Slightly shallow diamonds win every time! Even if their symmetry is not great.
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