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So, like many people, learning more about engagement diamonds and settings and the like is what drew me here. I'm pretty sure I know what I want in that department and who to get it from and I became relatively educated on what to look for (not professional or anything).

But, my proposal is about six months away and what did I do but stumble into the colored stones section of the site. I've always liked colored stones about 100x better than diamonds, honestly, so now I spend most of my time browsing through the colored stones around here.

Anyway, so I got a devious idea on what to get my intended for Valentine's in the meantime before I drop the question later next spring/early summer. I'd love to go through the experience of getting a colored stone and doing some custom work with it (lower stakes than diamonds=more fun and less stress for me, and I enjoy jewelry). My problem is that there isn't the wealth of basic education sites about colored stones as there are about diamonds. Can anyone recommend me some good ground level sites/threads about colored stones and varieties and what to expect from them? I know what cut and clarity are, etc, but would like to know more things that concern colored stones especially. I'd really appreciate any recommendations.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I'm starting to think about getting some custom work done w/some sort of colored pear center stone and perhaps some small colored complementary stones... probably blue (spinel or sapphire) or purple (tanzanite, sapphire, spinel?). Perhaps in the style of forum member JCJD's ring at the top of this page, which I love and think would look outstanding with a larger colored stone instead:

Pear diamond thread (top, JCJDs)
 
I am seeing more and more people getting away from the diamond as an engagement ring stone. Remeber that Princess Di had a blue sapphire. The diamond is only really big here in the USA and in Japan, and that is only due to terriffic marketing. I just sold a vey nice color change garnet for an engagement ring stone. These stones much much much more rare than diamonds, and way more interesting. Diamonds are pretty common... just walk through any mall and look at the thousands of diamonds in the showcases, now look for how many tsavorite garnets you see!
 
Date: 12/7/2005 4:07:23 AM
Author:Garysax

I''d love to go through the experience of getting a colored stone and doing some custom work with it...

My problem is that there isn''t the wealth of basic education sites about colored stones as there are about diamonds.


There''s also allot more to write and learn - no wonder not every jewelry shop sets up a comprehensive tutorial! These must have been mentioned before around here, but nevertheless:

Richard Wises @ www.secretsofthegemtrade.com

Richard Hughes @
www.ruby-sapphire.com and palagems.com

GIA''s website (
www.gia.edu) contains reviews of colored gem finds.

The websites of gemological laboratories are useful too (AIGS, SSEF, etc.)

Some commercial websites contain detailed reports from field trips and report on particular sources: try
www.kashmirblue.com and Walter Arnstein''s www.thenaturalsapphirecopany.com There are allot more, of course.


You could spend a couple of months with this, but if none seems inspiring, there is a longer virtual bibliography list
HERE

There are other internet forums like this dedicated to colored gems, PS is a relatively large and busy hub. For very particular details, a gemology forum may turn out useful.





Can anyone recommend me some good ground level sites/threads about colored stones and varieties and what to expect from them? I know what cut and clarity are, etc, but would like to know more things that concern colored stones especially. I''d really appreciate any recommendations.

You mean Pricescope Threads? No... ''directory'' and I never made one. An easier way than random search is to follow the posts of one the experts (the two Richards mentioned above also write here from time to time, MJO, Vincent Pardieu etc.) and read the respective threads.



Anyway, for what it''s worth, I''m starting to think about getting some custom work done ... Perhaps in the style of forum member JCJD''s ring at the top of this page, which I love and think would look outstanding with a larger colored stone instead:

Sounds great! You may find a few examples of off-set settings like hers in custom jewelers'' portfolios, including THIS ONE. I''ve always liked JCJD''s ring., glad to hear about a follow-up.
My 2c, as usual
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You may find almost every conceivable gem type mentioned on this forum, but not everything is ''covered'' so to speak. Feel free to ask
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Yeah Yeah Yeah!!! Welcome to the ranks of colored gemstone engagement ring lovers. Be sure to check out the Eye-Candy Colored E-ring Thread for more inspiration.

When I first started I was Completely clueless (some would argue that I still am!!)
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But if there is one thing people here love is a good hunt anf to give out information!

I would suggest asking qeustions... browse through the colored gems section and keep an open mind.. you may find that you change it a few times before your final decision... I DID!!

Welcome Welcome Welcome!! let us know if we can help... just ask!
 
welcome to the world of color!!!!!

there is a wealth of info online to get you started. richard''s SECRETS OF THE GEM TRADE is a must for basics but especially if you''re interested in high end color stones.

and see as many stones live, up close, and personal as you can. only in seeing them can you develop an ''eye'' for what you like and what the books are talking about. also, while there may be a color/tone for a particular stone that is now popular and/or considered ''most desired'', ultimately, it has to be pleasing to your eye....and your fiancee''s eye.

there is something for everyone no matter your budget in the world of color. personally, i found my $$$ went further with color than it would have with a diamond.

peace, movie zombie
 
I am actually just finishing my sapphire section now for my GG. So if I can pass any info on that along, just ask and I will try my best. I can tell you that some colored stones can cost more than diamonds, and that , especially with sapphires, most you will see in the normal jewelry stores , is going to be heat treated. There is a mine in Montana that has some fantastic sapphires coming out of it, beautiful blues and any treatment. Ok , I got the book, its the Yogo Gulch Mine in central Montana. There are other mines in Montana, but mostly just commercial grade stones that get heat treated just as almost the rest of the worlds blue sapphires do.
 
Well, the engagement ring is still going to be diamond, that''s what she wants so it''s fine with me. Though it will incorporate a little color in all likelihood--See my thread here

I *myself* am much more interested in colored stones but so I might do the aforementioned project for her for Valentines with colored stones (non-engagement ring). Thanks for all the links. I''ll check them out in the next couple days, exactly what I was looking for to get educated on colored stones. I''ll probably have more questions when I narrow it down.
 
Date: 12/7/2005 4:08:55 PM
Author: movie zombie

there is something for everyone no matter your budget in the world of color. personally, i found my $$$ went further with color than it would have with a diamond.

Also, amen to that.
 
Colorless diamonds are pretty boring, no?
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Nice for accent stones mainly
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. (Maybe saying this gets me banned from rockytalky! ...) But putting a garnet in an engagement ring as Gene mentions sure takes some guts (or a GG future spouse?).

Something else movie zombie said, "see as many stones live, up close, and personal as you can"...can't say that enough. Go to museums, visit suppliers, order some benchmark items to look at. Something else to consider is to always buy quality in addition to buying smart - quality never goes out of style, whether it's $100/carat amethyst or $10000/carat ruby.
 
Date: 12/8/2005 7:51:32 AM
Author: elmo
Colorless diamonds are pretty boring, no?
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Nice for accent stones mainly
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. (Maybe saying this gets me banned from rockytalky! ...) But putting a garnet in an engagement ring as Gene mentions sure takes some guts (or a GG future spouse?).


Hey now... I think a garnet for an engagement ring is a very very very good idea!!
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right there with you, Mine!

there are garnets and then there are garnets....a good quality garnet can knock your socks off....especially the orange variety!

peace, movie zombie
 
Date: 12/8/2005 7:51:32 AM
Author: elmo

Something else to consider is to always buy quality in addition to buying smart - quality never goes out of style, whether it''s $100/carat amethyst or $10000/carat ruby.

definitely right on, Elmo! while i can''t afford that ruby, i can afford the amethyst and i full intend to have that world class amethyst. ditto re aquamarine: i can''t afford the high quality blue sapphire but there are high quality aquas that for me will do the same thing.

peace, movie zombie
 
Well, this wasnt just some common brownish red garnet, but a color change garnet from Kenya. The stone turned from a cherry red, to a blue/purple. 1.71 ct with my "precision" cutting of course. If you look in this months issue of Colored Stone, they have a report on the mining world wide, and talk about these stone. These is only a small hand full of roughfound every month TOTAL. Compare that to the 800,000,000 cts per year of ct diamonds.
When was the last time if ever you saw one of these color change garnets? When was the last time you saw a diamond?
I have sold some sapphires for engagement rings in the past too.

I just picked up a really nice 7.75 ct rough pink/red/ touch or purple sapphire, that I think I''m going to keep for my wife. All natural unheated stone from Umba. I''ll post a picture once it''s cut.
 
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