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Can this pass as an super ideal cut?
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No, it will not pass as a super ideal cut diamond because it isn’t one.
This is however: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4492529.htm
It is an E not a D but a very beautiful diamond for less than $6100.00.
This is however: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4492529.htm
It is an E not a D but a very beautiful diamond for less than $6100.00.
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thanks for the recommendation.
what are the shortcomings of that diamond, and is it highly not recommended?
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Yes, I highly recommend you don't buy it.
The first thing that jumps out at me, and makes me reject it, is its very low crown angle, 32.5 degrees.
In the image below notice the 34.7 degree crown angle on the superideal that MissGotRocks posted.
... not that crown angle is the only important parameter.
There are several numbers which interact and their combination must work together to optimize light performance.
The HCA is a math tool that takes all the important numbers and calculates light performance.
But no matter what the other numbers are, a crown angle of 32.5 will never make a superideal round.
When shopping for a well-cut round learn about, and use, the HCA.
Holloway Cut Advisor | HCA Tool
The HCA Tool uses data from a round brilliant diamond to produce a score that can help you make an estimate regarding the cut quality. Use it here.
www.pricescope.com
Better yet, don't bother ... just buy an ACA from Whiteflash.
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Diamonds are too costly to make a mistake and end up with a poor performer. Whiteflash has a proven track record and many satisfied customers - on and off of PS. @kenny gave you the correct answer - the one you selected won’t be a great performer and unless you want to spend lots of time trying to educate yourself, just buy from a tried and true vendor. Trying to weed through diamond databases and find a ‘good’ one is a difficult task. If they were cut to the precision of a super ideal cut diamond, chances are they wouldn’t be on those databases. Go to the Whiteflash home page and read about their selection and analyzation of their diamonds. You would have a return policy and the ability to upgrade in the future should you so desire.
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Yes, I highly recommend you don't buy it.
The first thing that jumps out at me, and makes me reject it, is its very low crown angle, 32.5 degrees.
In the image below notice the 34.7 degree crown angle on the superideal that MissGotRocks posted.
... not that crown angle is the only important parameter.
There are several numbers which interact and their combination must work together to optimize light performance.
The HCA is a math tool that takes all the important numbers and calculates light performance.
But no matter what the other numbers are, a crown angle of 32.5 will never make a superideal round.
When shopping for a well-cut round learn about, and use, the HCA.
Holloway Cut Advisor | HCA Tool
The HCA Tool uses data from a round brilliant diamond to produce a score that can help you make an estimate regarding the cut quality. Use it here.
Better yet, don't bother ... just buy an ACA from Whiteflash.
Indeed I did calculate the dimensions using HCA (an eliminating tool) and the score turns out to be 0.8.
Just wasn't expecting the crown angle to be a showstopper?
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Although the HCA doesn't reject the stone, upon the further evaluation that kenny mentioned, the proportions are not what we'd normally recommend.
There's more info about proportions in this article. Scroll down to see "Member Recommended" Proportions.
Diamond Proportions
The physics of light-behavior within a diamond are reliably consistent, which means proportions measurements can be useful.
www.pricescope.com
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Probably be a great choice for a pendant or earring if the advanced images check out OK, but likely a not so stout choice for a ring.
Whiteflash, Brian Gavin, Victor Canera, JannPaul, Distinctive Gem, Diamonds by Lauren, and a small handful of other vendors can all get and sell properly vetted super ideal cut diamonds that are perfectly suitable for a ring setting.
...there are not many vendors in the huge sea of sellers that get to legitimately claim such an honor because true super ideal cut diamonds take a lot of time, labor, money, and vetting to be what they are.
You will absolutely get what you pay for.
Whiteflash, Brian Gavin, Victor Canera, JannPaul, Distinctive Gem, Diamonds by Lauren, and a small handful of other vendors can all get and sell properly vetted super ideal cut diamonds that are perfectly suitable for a ring setting.
...there are not many vendors in the huge sea of sellers that get to legitimately claim such an honor because true super ideal cut diamonds take a lot of time, labor, money, and vetting to be what they are.
You will absolutely get what you pay for.
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Appreciate all the feedbacks given. From all the comments, I guess this stone can't even be considered as an ideal cut, let alone super ideal?
Sad to say, I'd already made a deposit a week prior to this post.
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Unlikely. Not that significant, but still some money. I had the opportunity to view the H&A and ASET scopes, and both look pretty decent, with plenty of red and minimal green under ASET.
Which is why I didn't had any doubts over the cut, until I posted this thread.
Just as I thought my hunt is over, think im gonna restart the process all over again....
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Do have have pictures of the ASET to post here?
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If you saw it in-person, and you compared it to some other stones, and you liked it best, and you'll lose money backing out now, then don't let a newfound quest for perfection become the enemy of progress.
No, it's not going to be what anyone would consider a "superideal". For any number of reasons - proportions is only one component of that term.
But that doesn't mean that it's not a pretty stone.
Post any photos you have, stills and light reflector scope pics. If you have some decent photos we can probably tell you if it's "good god run away" or "perfectly fine", or possibly "absolutely amazing". From the report alone all we can say is that it could be any of the above.
No, it's not going to be what anyone would consider a "superideal". For any number of reasons - proportions is only one component of that term.
But that doesn't mean that it's not a pretty stone.
Post any photos you have, stills and light reflector scope pics. If you have some decent photos we can probably tell you if it's "good god run away" or "perfectly fine", or possibly "absolutely amazing". From the report alone all we can say is that it could be any of the above.
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Totally agree!
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While we don't know the specifics of the agreement the OP had with the vendor, I don't think it is a good sign that OP will lose their deposit. Perhaps they could bring in a different diamond for you that the deposit could be applied to? I personally would not want to continue down the road with a vendor who would not try to work with me to at least find a different diamond that would better fit what I was looking for.
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When you posted the diamond, I did not realize that you had actually put a deposit on it. If you can’t get it back, then that certainly changes the equation. No one likes to lose money. Minimal deposit is one thing; a substantial one quite another. I don’t know what your terms were with the jeweler either in terms of purchase. You might be able to talk to him about looking for another diamond or you may choose to go through with this purchase. I have to assume that you liked it well enough if you put a deposit it. At any rate, take some time to look around, explore your options with that jeweler and others, and let us know if we can help you with any of it.
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It's so difficult to take a photo of a diamond, therefore I've decided to take a video instead.
For comparison sake, I have also attached one super ideal cut from Jaan Paul & the one being the diamond I have presented earlier. To be honest both look amazing (to me at least), but just wondering if you could differentiate the shallow angle vs the SIC just by these video
For comparison sake, I have also attached one super ideal cut from Jaan Paul & the one being the diamond I have presented earlier. To be honest both look amazing (to me at least), but just wondering if you could differentiate the shallow angle vs the SIC just by these video
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If you need to, you can host the video(s) at YouTube or Imgur and post the link here in your thread.
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Not an expert but the videos are small and it is impossible to see detail in them. From the distance in the videos, I can only see sparkle reflection but that is not an accurate representation of cut quality. All diamonds would probably do the same thing in videos shot from that distance but again, not a fair representation of either diamond. Do you have images of the stones such as ideal scope or ASET? Are you seeing both of these diamonds yourself or are you trying to decide based on the videos?
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Yes I took the video personally, & I have those images, but I just wanted to know from a viewer's perspective, which diamond has the best light "return" , without judging based on the scopes. Because ultimately, when you put on a ring, the visual effect is what matter the most. No one would carry their scope images around.
Yes I took the video personally, & I have those images, but I just wanted to know from a viewer's perspective, which diamond has the best light "return" , without judging based on the scopes. Because ultimately, when you put on a ring, the visual effect is what matter the most. No one would carry their scope images around.
No one actually cares about the scope images for the sake of the scope images
The images are a selection tool that can indicate what the visual effect will be.
The ASET and ideal scope can help indicate a diamond‘s actual light return and brightness .
This is helpful because when purchasing a diamond, it is usually not possible to go around testing it under the many various types of settings and lighting situations.
For example in this case, the videos are limited in what the ultimate viewers perspective will be : The tools would give us this information.
Looking at the videos you posted, it definitely looks like it has some sparkle but it’s hard to see details. As far as the difference between the crown angles, I could not discern that from the videos .
Really what matters most is how you feel about it. You have seen it in person - what do you think? Have you been able to test the stone out in lighting other than in the jewelry store?
It is SUPER important to keep in mind that jewelry store lighting can make even the worst stones dazzle.
Ultimately, YOU have to love it
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Yes, no one will be looking at it with a scope and most people wouldn’t necessarily know what they were seeing anyway. However, in real life viewing, with one beside the other, you would be able to see the difference between a super ideal cut diamond and a non super ideal cut diamond. There is a difference - just depends on how important those differences are for you. For me, having seen this, I want to buy the best cut diamond that I can because its performance is very important to me. You will have to make that determination for yourself. Buying from super ideal vendors listed her on PS also gives you the ability to upgrade in the future by only spending one more dollar as opposed to other jewelers who might have a 50% more requirement to upgrade.Yes I took the video personally, & I have those images, but I just wanted to know from a viewer's perspective, which diamond has the best light "return" , without judging based on the scopes. Because ultimately, when you put on a ring, the visual effect is what matter the most. No one would carry their scope images around.
A super ideal cut diamond is in a league of its own. You can’t fudge that or find something ‘good enough’ and try to convince yourself that there is no difference. The question is how much of a difference it makes to you and its value to you. Best of luck to you!
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Problem is that these videos don’t actually represent real life. YouTube has compressed them so much that you can make out barely any detail in the mount, let alone nuances of diamond pattern - both of which would be very visible in-person from these distances. That’s why I asked for photos specifically, not video.
Then for real, get off this forum and stop worrying about about any of thisBecause ultimately, when you put on a ring, the visual effect is what matter the most. No one would carry their scope images around.
MGR is spot on. If you decide that you just want to enjoy what your eyes see then there’s nothing wrong that, and whether or not other people might see differences shouldn’t matter.
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