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Sorry, I missed your initial post. I would be interested in hand forged to get more of the liquid platinum food the LM is known for. Also, I may be wrong, but it seems like hand forged can lend itself better to vintage inspired pieces.
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I there a typo?
After 50 years making and selling jewelry I have no idea what you mean?
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Have you gone thru DKJ’s Instagram to see if anything posted there throughout the years matches to your eye of LM’s typical ‘liquid platinum feel ’ aesthetic?
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@Garry H (Cut Nut) I think they mean they would like the liquid platinum look of L. Mege’s work…
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Still have no idea - images please?
Platium flows on the surface when you heat it. Suppose it has something to do with....?
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Yes, sorry for the typos. Auto correct can do weird things
Why don’t you just commission a piece from leon mege?
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If you use PS’s search function for ‘liquid metal’ you’ll see a less than a handful of handforged jewelers that repeatedly their work is routinely described this way.
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Is the ring you are asking about wanting the LM liquid look, isn’t the one you have a help cad thread on , is it?
I want to apologize if my earlier comment about searching DKJ’s insta was curt.
It is always a good idea if you are unfamiliar with a jeweler to look at their past completed work (and not renderings) to see if they’ve completed pieces that are in line with what you envision. It’s not fun on either side - if the project is a Guinea Pig we all learn-as-you-go if all parties are not going into it with that same thought.
Thing is - you’ve picked a very specific look to use as your target example that simply there are few vendors able to accomplish.
Yes others have and you can get a handcrafted or handforged (these two are different!) piece from DKJ. Yes others have, and you can get a very finely executed sleek piece from DKJ. Does anyone have /are you going to get a piece from him someone will mistake for a LM? Probably not.
DKJ has some very talented benches that he works with. Thing is - if you aren’t quoted by DKJ their top notch level of service - the bench that has that capability maybe isnt going to produce a piece indicative of their top work ability if the labor time involved doesn’t match up with their contracted rate from DKJ. Especially if they can prioritize other higher paying projects instead. Why wouldn’t they?
If you are quoted a price, then ask for their Uber bench / handforged - and the quote and lead time doesn’t raise on that single parameter change request - this is a sign of miscommunication. And most likely disappointment.
There is one ring in particular (I’m not going to link it, the owner can) that I’m 99.9% positive was hand forged via DKJ. At least the head/basket was. It’s glorious. And with the hand forging - it’s not 100% symmetrical. I don’t believe that’s rare to happen.
The design has since been repeated by DKJ for others - but not handforged. And you can absolutely tell by the pictures. Still very pretty result though.
So- that being said
Getting them to even do repeat a design doesn’t automatically mean it’s constructed the same way. I feel one would have to request it.
Is the ring you are asking about wanting the LM liquid look, isn’t the one you have a help cad thread on , is it?
I want to apologize if my earlier comment about searching DKJ’s insta was curt.
It is always a good idea if you are unfamiliar with a jeweler to look at their past completed work (and not renderings) to see if they’ve completed pieces that are in line with what you envision. It’s not fun on either side - if the project is a Guinea Pig we all learn-as-you-go if all parties are not going into it with that same thought.
Thing is - you’ve picked a very specific look to use as your target example that simply there are few vendors able to accomplish.
Yes others have and you can get a handcrafted or handforged (these two are different!) piece from DKJ. Yes others have, and you can get a very finely executed sleek piece from DKJ. Does anyone have /are you going to get a piece from him someone will mistake for a LM? Probably not.
DKJ has some very talented benches that he works with. Thing is - if you aren’t quoted by DKJ their top notch level of service - the bench that has that capability maybe isnt going to produce a piece indicative of their top work ability if the labor time involved doesn’t match up with their contracted rate from DKJ. Especially if they can prioritize other higher paying projects instead. Why wouldn’t they?
If you are quoted a price, then ask for their Uber bench / handforged - and the quote and lead time doesn’t raise on that single parameter change request - this is a sign of miscommunication. And most likely disappointment.
There is one ring in particular (I’m not going to link it, the owner can) that I’m 99.9% positive was hand forged via DKJ. At least the head/basket was. It’s glorious. And with the hand forging - it’s not 100% symmetrical. I don’t believe that’s rare to happen.
The design has since been repeated by DKJ for others - but not handforged. And you can absolutely tell by the pictures. Still very pretty result though.
So- that being said
Getting them to even do repeat a design doesn’t automatically mean it’s constructed the same way. I feel one would have to request it.
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Pebble & Polish offers hand-forged. Scroll down a bit to see that section....
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There used to be a jeweler who made the prettiest "liquid metal" settings but I cant remember his name. Some
of the settings had diamonds in the gallery between the prongs (probably not helpful). His settings looked like
they were made out of mercury. He would come on PS every now and then but haven't seen him in forever.
of the settings had diamonds in the gallery between the prongs (probably not helpful). His settings looked like
they were made out of mercury. He would come on PS every now and then but haven't seen him in forever.
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Mark morrell?
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yeah pretty sure he's retired or semi retired, but im not sure.
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My Beloved solitaire by DKJ was hand forged. But my three stone is only partially hand forged. I checked this with Amy from DKJ just recently, and apparently that's the case.
So, yes, they do hand forged. But...I'm with everyone here - are you sure that's what you want? Maybe talk to DKJ, if that's who you want to go with, and see if they feel hand forged is the way to go with the design you want and the effect you're after? All their rings are hand finished, so that might be sufficient?
So, yes, they do hand forged. But...I'm with everyone here - are you sure that's what you want? Maybe talk to DKJ, if that's who you want to go with, and see if they feel hand forged is the way to go with the design you want and the effect you're after? All their rings are hand finished, so that might be sufficient?
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Thank you for remembering my work. I have retired.
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You don't actually want hand-forged.
You just want aesthetically matched to your vision and well-finished.
You don't care about method of manufacturing. At all. All you care about is design, make, and finish. All you should care about is design, make, and finish.
I promise.
Whatever vendor you feel comfortable with, whatever vendor you trust to execute on design and make and finish - just let that vendor manufacture your ring however they think best.
Look past the hand-forged-is-better-forged marketing. It's not.
Been there done that got the credit card invoice.
You just want aesthetically matched to your vision and well-finished.
You don't care about method of manufacturing. At all. All you care about is design, make, and finish. All you should care about is design, make, and finish.
I promise.
Whatever vendor you feel comfortable with, whatever vendor you trust to execute on design and make and finish - just let that vendor manufacture your ring however they think best.
Look past the hand-forged-is-better-forged marketing. It's not.
Been there done that got the credit card invoice.
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this is fabulous advice!
This was what I thought when I read the OP.
I love hand-forged and I love carved wax (+/- engraving after the casting) -- but when I think of a really fluid look, I do not think of hand-forging; for that, I think of carved wax because you can make literally anything (apart from superfine detail and barely-adherent elements). And forcing someone who may not get a lot of requests for hand-forging will only push them down a less familiar path.
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