Did anyone watch The View this morning?

[bling*diva*]

~~Ellizabeth Hasselbeck lost her mind this morning on The View! I''m not saying that her point was irrational, but there is a way to discuss things properly, especially when you are on national television. The ladies were discussing the fact that The Morning After Pill (Plan B?) is going to be sold over the counter, and they were trying to discuss it calmly, when Elizabeth lost her cool, and started flailing her arms all over the place!! I love how Barbara scolded her after the fact though!!

Here''s the link to the video...Elizabeth Loses It!!!

~~What are your thoughts on her actions, and or the subject??

 

[bling*diva*]

~~Here is the much LONGER version, IMO it's the better one...

Elizabeth Loses Her Mind

~ETA: The first clip doesn't show everything, but in this clip, she tears up her table cards. How immature...She acts like such a child sometimes that it's ridiculous!!!

 

[bling*diva*]

~~What happened after the break...Elizabeth Loses it Part 2

 

[galeteia]

*eyes drop out and roll across the desk*

Nothin' like acting like a 18-year-old on national TV... and getting verbally spanked by Barbara Walters on-air.

ETA: Are we even allowed to discuss the topic on here? I'm guessing it would go under 'family, home, & health'?

 

[FireGoddess]

I reallllly am not a fan of Elizabeth''s. I usually completely disagree with every point of view she has. That wouldn''t be enough normally to dislike someone, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I do think that even in the face of evidence or points of view against her own, she is unwilling to listen. That''s what irks me. I thought it was a little weird for Barbara Wawa to call her out singly - I don''t think she was completely going nutso, but she was getting a little feverish without letting other people speak. I think that the consolation after the break though, was kind of a load of crap.

 

[bling*diva*]

~~Yeah, it seemed like they were only doing it for tv, so that they wouldn''t get too much negative press... I wonder how Elizabeth feels now that this clip of her going nuts is everywhere??

 

[FireGoddess]

I bet Star Jones is laughing, wherever she is.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 8/2/2006 4:55:25 PM
Author: FireGoddess
I bet Star Jones is laughing, wherever she is.

True that!!

 

[bling*diva*]

~~LOL!! I was thinking the same thing!!

 

[tawn]

Date: 8/2/2006 4:31:21 PM
Author: Galateia
*eyes drop out and roll across the desk*

Nothin'' like acting like a 18-year-old on national TV... and getting verbally spanked by Barbara Walters on-air.

ETA: Are we even allowed to discuss the topic on here? I''m guessing it would go under ''family, home, & health''?

What a loon!

I''m sure this is an emotional "hot" topic for some and I apologize if we''re not supposed to talk about this here! Although I didn''t see the show, I''m fairly well versed in the process of conception from years of Fertility treatments!! I can tell you that it takes at approximately 6-12 days or more after ovulation before a fertilized egg can implant in the womb.

There is no pregnancy if implantation doesn''t occur...so INHO the Morning After Pill is a moot point because it''s just changing your natural cycle (like BC Pills do) and making it so you don''t conceive.

Note: I would also like to point out that a significant amount of eggs that are fertilized naturally never implant in the womb anyway.

 

[Rhino]

Date: 8/2/2006 5:49:45 PM
Author: tawn

Date: 8/2/2006 4:31:21 PM
Author: Galateia
*eyes drop out and roll across the desk*

Nothin' like acting like a 18-year-old on national TV... and getting verbally spanked by Barbara Walters on-air.

ETA: Are we even allowed to discuss the topic on here? I'm guessing it would go under 'family, home, & health'?

What a loon!

I'm sure this is an emotional 'hot' topic for some and I apologize if we're not supposed to talk about this here! Although I didn't see the show, I'm fairly well versed in the process of conception from years of Fertility treatments!! I can tell you that it takes at approximately 6-12 days or more after ovulation before a fertilized egg can implant in the womb.

There is no pregnancy if implantation doesn't occur...so INHO the Morning After Pill is a moot point because it's just changing your natural cycle (like BC Pills do) and making it so you don't conceive.

Note: I would also like to point out that a significant amount of eggs that are fertilized naturally never implant in the womb anyway.

Hrm... wish I had more time to be in the "hangout" sometimes.

I don't really watch the View but watching this video, she's certainly passionate about her view but it doesn't seem like she's totally out of control as some of the commentary on the sites are making it to be.

Question: Regarding this "morning after pill", are you saying it actually prevents conception? I honestly don't know as I haven't read up or studied anything about it. I appreciate your feedback.

Regards,

 

[dani13]

Date: 8/2/2006 8:56:55 PM
Author: Rhino

Date: 8/2/2006 5:49:45 PM
Author: tawn

Date: 8/2/2006 4:31:21 PM
Author: Galateia
*eyes drop out and roll across the desk*

Nothin' like acting like a 18-year-old on national TV... and getting verbally spanked by Barbara Walters on-air.

ETA: Are we even allowed to discuss the topic on here? I'm guessing it would go under 'family, home, & health'?

What a loon!

I'm sure this is an emotional 'hot' topic for some and I apologize if we're not supposed to talk about this here! Although I didn't see the show, I'm fairly well versed in the process of conception from years of Fertility treatments!! I can tell you that it takes at approximately 6-12 days or more after ovulation before a fertilized egg can implant in the womb.

There is no pregnancy if implantation doesn't occur...so INHO the Morning After Pill is a moot point because it's just changing your natural cycle (like BC Pills do) and making it so you don't conceive.

Note: I would also like to point out that a significant amount of eggs that are fertilized naturally never implant in the womb anyway.

Hrm... wish I had more time to be in the 'hangout' sometimes.

I don't really watch the View but watching this video, she's certainly passionate about her view but it doesn't seem like she's totally out of control as some of the commentary on the sites are making it to be.

Question: Regarding this 'morning after pill', are you saying it actually prevents conception? I honestly don't know as I haven't read up or studied anything about it. I appreciate your feedback.

Regards,

Hi Rhino-

I agree with you re: Elisabeth- she just feels passionately about the issue, and I think people made a bigger deal about it than it really was...

To answer your question, the morning after pill can prevent pregnancy in several ways: can stop the release of an egg from the ovary, and may also prevent fertilization (sperm uniting with egg) too. It can also work by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall so the pregnancy can develop. It will not affect an existing pregnancy though- if a woman is already pregnant, its too late.

After unprotected sex, the morning after pill must be taken within 72 hrs. The earlier the better. Statistics say that if taken correctly (e.g. within the recommended time frame and taken according to prescription) it prevents pregnancy for 8 out of 10 women.

This is a very interesting topic- I chose this topic for my last grad school research paper that I completed this past May( I am a nurse practitioner). It was a lot of work, but very informing and interesting, which made it easy for me. I wonder if the FDA will approve it for over-the-counter use. My opinion is that they may make it available without prescription, but they may put an age restriction on it- for example, any woman under 18 years will need parental consent.

I think making the morning after pill readily available would be wonderful. Subseqently, the U.S.'s unplanned pregnancy rates will probably significantly drop. And abortion rates will drop too- I'm curious to see how this all works out!

 

[lizz]

I feel like Elisabeth Hasselbeck was out of control in both interviews (the Sandra Bernhard one as well). She has no journalistic integrity. She was arguing with the guest (S.B.)! That's ridiculous.

 

[Munchkin]

Just to reiterate something very important that Dani wrote: Plan B will NOT abort a fetus. It kills me when opponents of the med take a pro-life standpoint without (clearly) researching the actual method of action for the med! (ETA: Just in case I didn't make myself clear initially, if someone is pro life AND anti condoms, OCPs, etc. then I understand their view. I get mad when people who are pro-life and pro preventing pregnancies speak out against Plan B.)

Basically, it is a last minute, high dose BC pill. Most pregnancies do not happen in the midst of "the moment," rather hours or days later. Because of that, there is time for an oral contraceptive to sneak in and prevent a pregnancy. If a woman is already pregnant, nothing will happen to the fetus.

One of my concerns about making it over the counter is that its cost may make it inaccessible to some women who need it. As my adolescent health rotation preceptor explained, an Rx copay is often far cheaper than an OTC option.

Also, Dani, I doubt they would issue it with an age restriction. I practice in CT and here, females are able to seek reproductive health care without parental consent at the age of 14. Other states have similar age requirements (often 16 yo) I can not see the FDA requiring an age minimum that is in conflict with state minimum requirements and the med itself is safe for females under 18. Obviously if it were off label for adolescents, I would hope they would impose a minimum!

Climbing off my soapbox....
Munchkin

 

[TravelingGal]

I didn''t think she came across as very professional. She sounded young.

But as far as "losing" it...I wonder if people would think the same thing if she was that passionate about pro-choice?

 

[galeteia]

I think the problem was more that she was reacting, not discussing or debating, and was cutting off everyone else and speaking more and more loudly and excitedly to drown them out.

That is not the best way to have your point taken seriously, but it is a good way to present yourself as someone who tries to overrule other people''s differing opinions by being louder than they are.

 

[bling*diva*]

Date: 8/2/2006 10:28:54 PM
Author: Galateia
I think the problem was more that she was reacting, not discussing or debating, and was cutting off everyone else and speaking more and more loudly and excitedly to drown them out.


That is not the best way to have your point taken seriously, but it is a good way to present yourself as someone who tries to overrule other people''s differing opinions by being louder than they are.

~~That was my point exactly...I don''t think that her opinion is wrong (even though I disagree with her, but that''s beside the point), but there is a way to discuss a subject by simply stating your opinion, and at the same time listening to others as well. As far as the Plan B pill, I think that it''s a good idea, and as someone stated earlier, the unplanned pregnancy rate would definitely go down. This way, we still have a choice, and it will be easily (maybe not financially) accessible.

 

[TravelingGal]

I agree that she came across as very unprofessional, especially because she has the position that she does. They are supposed to share their opinion (after all, the show is called "the view".) But as you said Bling Diva, "she lost her mind." I just wouldn''t go that far. It was heated, and she was immature, but I do not think she lost her mind. I''m just curious if she was presenting the opposite view, would people still think she lost it.

For the record, I am pro choice........

 

[bling*diva*]

~~I used "lost her mind" as a figure of speech...it has nothing to do with what she said, but how she conducted herself during the interview. I assume that when you are older, you act like an adult, especially when you are on national television. By saying "lost her mind" I was referring to the way she was talking over everyone else (Joy, and Lisa Loeb) while they were trying to give their opinion, and the way she was flailing her arms around, and also the fact that she tore up her table cards. I have never seen any of the ladies do that on The View, and I see their show as being classy, and by her acting that way just made her look very childish. That's why I said she "lost her mind." ETA: And if she were presenting the opposite view, and she conducted herself in the same way, I would still say that she "lost her mind" because she should have conducted herself a lot better. I understand that she's passionate about that subject, but as I said before, there is a certain way to discuss things, and she certainly did not conduct herself in a way that was professional.

 

[FireGoddess]

Yeah, even if she was presenting another POV, she''d still have been acting inappropriately. Joy Behar was trying to make some jokes to cut through the tension (I just love her!) and was arguing with Elizabeth but in an appropriate manner. Elizabeth has some growing up to do.

 

[RoseAngel04]

Date: 8/2/2006 10:18:00 PM
Author: TravelingGal

But as far as 'losing' it...I wonder if people would think the same thing if she was that passionate about pro-choice?

Thank you TravelingGal for this wonderful statement. IMO no, people wouldn't be thinking the same thing if she were speaking so passionatly about pro-choice. Should Elisabeth have controlled herself better, probably. I am honestly glad to see a younger woman on a talk show with conservative views. I agree with most things Elisabeth says, maybe not the way she speaks them, but the overall message I agree with. It irks me that Barbara made such a HUDE deal about it, when it wasn't everything people made it out to be.

Oh...and for the record I'm pro-life.

 

[bling*diva*]

Date: 8/2/2006 11:27:15 PM
Author: FireGoddess
Yeah, even if she was presenting another POV, she'd still have been acting inappropriately. Joy Behar was trying to make some jokes to cut through the tension (I just love her!) and was arguing with Elizabeth but in an appropriate manner. Elizabeth has some growing up to do.

~~I love Joy too, and I saw that she was trying to ease the situation, but Elizabeth just wouldn't pay her any mind!! lol

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 8/2/2006 11:11:55 PM
Author: bling*diva*
~~I used ''lost her mind'' as a figure of speech...it has nothing to do with what she said, but how she conducted herself during the interview. I assume that when you are older, you act like an adult, especially when you are on national television. By saying ''lost her mind'' I was referring to the way she was talking over everyone else (Joy, and Lisa Loeb) while they were trying to give their opinion, and the way she was flailing her arms around, and also the fact that she tore up her table cards. I have never seen any of the ladies do that on The View, and I see their show as being classy, and by her acting that way just made her look very childish. That''s why I said she ''lost her mind.'' ETA: And if she were presenting the opposite view, and she conducted herself in the same way, I would still say that she ''lost her mind'' because she should have conducted herself a lot better. I understand that she''s passionate about that subject, but as I said before, there is a certain way to discuss things, and she certainly did not conduct herself in a way that was professional.

I agree...she didn''t conduct herself well. But I find your description interesting, that''s all. She came across as just young to me. But flailing her arms around? I went back and looked at the video...all of those women use their hands...

Don''t get me wrong...I pretty much AGREE with you. I never watch the view, and now I know why...I could barely listen to her talk! But my question is would people still be rolling their eyes and saying what they are saying if she took the OPPOSITE view. Just food for thought.

And as for "When you are older, you act like adult, especially when you are on national television." LOL..have you seen what''s on national tv these days? And I''m not talking Jerry Springer and the like.............

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 8/2/2006 11:27:15 PM
Author: FireGoddess
Elizabeth has some growing up to do.

I definitely second that.

 

[bling*diva*]

Date: 8/2/2006 11:31:57 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 8/2/2006 11:11:55 PM

Author: bling*diva*

~~I used 'lost her mind' as a figure of speech...it has nothing to do with what she said, but how she conducted herself during the interview. I assume that when you are older, you act like an adult, especially when you are on national television. By saying 'lost her mind' I was referring to the way she was talking over everyone else (Joy, and Lisa Loeb) while they were trying to give their opinion, and the way she was flailing her arms around, and also the fact that she tore up her table cards. I have never seen any of the ladies do that on The View, and I see their show as being classy, and by her acting that way just made her look very childish. That's why I said she 'lost her mind.' ETA: And if she were presenting the opposite view, and she conducted herself in the same way, I would still say that she 'lost her mind' because she should have conducted herself a lot better. I understand that she's passionate about that subject, but as I said before, there is a certain way to discuss things, and she certainly did not conduct herself in a way that was professional.

I agree...she didn't conduct herself well. But I find your description interesting, that's all. She came across as just young to me. But flailing her arms around? I went back and looked at the video...all of those women use their hands...


Don't get me wrong...I pretty much AGREE with you. I never watch the view, and now I know why...I could barely listen to her talk! But my question is would people still be rolling their eyes and saying what they are saying if she took the OPPOSITE view. Just food for thought.


And as for 'When you are older, you act like adult, especially when you are on national television.' LOL..have you seen what's on national tv these days? And I'm not talking Jerry Springer and the like.............

~~I guess I have to defend everything I say...
When I said "flailing her arms around" I didn't mean that she was running around like a complete loon, I meant that she was using large hand gestures, and trying to control the discussion. And yes, I have seen what's on tv these days (I'm pretty young, only 19) so I pay attention to the kinds of things that are on national tv. My main point when I said "When you are older, you should act like an adult" I meant that since The View is a more classy and ladylike show than Jerry Springer, you should conduct yourself better. She was acting very chilidish, and not classy at all.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 8/2/2006 11:38:26 PM
Author: bling*diva*


~~I guess I have to defend everything I say...
When I said ''flailing her arms around'' I didn''t mean that she was running around like a complete loon, I meant that she was using large hand gestures, and trying to control the discussion. And yes, I have seen what''s on tv these days (I''m pretty young, only 19) so I pay attention to the kinds of things that are on national tv. But my main point when I said ''When you are older, you should act like an adult'' I meant that since The View is a more classy and ladylike show than Jerry Springer, you should conduct yourself better. She was acting very chilidish, and not classy at all.

Blingdiva, you don''t have *defend* anything. I was being facetious when I was asking if you''ve seen what''s on TV.

And yes, I am aware of your age.

 

[galeteia]

What I find interesting about her gestures was how they were all focused around cutting off other people and stopping them from talking. The clip shows a lot of chopping motions and her extending her arms over the table, as if to dominate the conversation by physically dominating the space.

And I think Barbara did the right thing by sitting her down. If anything, I''m surprised the women on here with conservative views didn''t chastise her even more strongly for hurting their case. If Elizabeth was the spokesperson for my POV, I''d be PO''d. Rather than arguing convincingly, she just threw a hissy fit. Not very good representation, IMO.

And all that garbage she said about about there being certain restrictions to help only those who need it? Stats show that it''s the girls who need help the most that don''t get it. The girl who has been impregnanted by her father (to use the View''s example today) isn''t exactly going to get much in the way of ''parental permission'' to get Plan B. Joy did bring up the holes in Elizabeth''s arguement, and Elizabeth did not take it well.

Unimpressed.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 8/2/2006 11:50:27 PM
Author: Galateia
If anything, I''m surprised the women on here with conservative views didn''t chastise her even more strongly for hurting their case.

Yes, according to YOUR views, they should have. To others, like RoseAngel, too much was made out of this woman''s (or girl''s, depending on how you look at it) reaction.

Again, I agree with you to some extent about her argument AND method of arguing. But comments like yours are what I was hinting at in the first place.

 

[upgrading mama]

I hardly ever watch the View, but I have watched this clip. I don''t think she was overreacting, I think she appeared frustrated.. Joy kept interupting her while she was talking, and I would find that very frustrating, especially if it something you are passionate about. I don''t know is Eliz is a Christian, but I do know she has a young child and this might just be a sensitive subject for her.

Anyway, since I didn''t see what happened before, just the incident, I don''t really know if she acted crazy. I didn''t really think so.

 

[Munchkin]

Sophie: I suspect she is Christian as both she and her husband attended BC which is a Catholic college.
Munchkin