Does the apple fall far from the tree?

[rubydick]

Okay, I''m just gonna wing this one.

When a man''s mother says that those who were just driven out of their homes by a devastating hurricane are "better off" in a shelter because they were poor anyway, what do you think?

And when that woman is the Resident''s mother, what are your thoughts?

And when the Resident''s wife mispronounces the name of the biggest storm that has hit this nation in decades, what does that say?

When a civilian airliner is mistakenly shot down over the Persian Gulf by a US warship and the Resident''s father declares: "I will never apologize for the actions of the United States," what does that say?

And when the Resident''s mother stated in 2003: "Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it''s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

Just how far does the apple fall from the tree?

If you believe the election results, over 50% of the nation''s voters cast their ballots for this. I''d certainly like to hear some sort of defense from those who actually cast their vote Dubya''s way.

And if you''ve now changed your mind, I salute you. I kiss your feet. You will give the world salvation.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 9/15/2005 1:13:01 AM
Author:Richard Hughes
I'd certainly like to hear some sort of defense from those who actually cast their vote Dubya's way.
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And if you've now changed your mind, I salute you. I kiss your feet. You will give the world salvation.

Save your breath, Richard. If gas prices stay high, the Republicans may lose some power. Nothing else will motivate a change in the status quo.

Deborah

 

[widget]

If gas prices stay high, the Republicans may lose some power. Nothing else will motivate a change in the status quo.

Deborah

If you''re right, Deborah (and I hope you''re not) let''s pray gas prices stay high!

...and that the Democrats get their act together and nominate someone who can win next time.

What do people think of Joe Biden?

widget

 

[strmrdr]

No argument here I think that GWB is a scumbag RINO actually he is so far left he doesn''t even deserve the term RINO.
Like most of the rest of the republican party he is nothing more than democrat part 2 thats a little less honest about it.
Neither of the big parties are conservative and neither represent me.

Lets hear one say:
kick out the UN

end all foreign aid

bring back the work camps and put the welfare people to work and give them some dignity. There are plenty of public works projects that could be done.

A gun in every home that wants one.

All the unconstitutional parts of the federal government shut down.
Which is better than 90% including the federal reserve.

Then they will have my support :}

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 9/15/2005 7:50:09 AM
Author: widget

If gas prices stay high, the Republicans may lose some power. Nothing else will motivate a change in the status quo.

Deborah

If you''re right, Deborah (and I hope you''re not) let''s pray gas prices stay high!

...and that the Democrats get their act together and nominate someone who can win next time.

What do people think of Joe Biden?

widget

No, don''t pray for high gas prices! I calculated that it costs (at the $3.00/gal) my husband > than $6.00 to get to his office. I''m not complaining as we can afford it. What about people who have to work an hour to pay for it? We have little mass transit.

That said - Nominate someone who can win - yes - but turn that around - nominate someone who will appeal to the people who voted for Bush by default. Biden could fit that bill. Dean will not. Maybe it''s because I am a North Carolinian - but Edwards? Pllllleeeeasssssssse - the man is despised by his own State. He couldn''t even take his county. At the very least, nominate someone who is likable. What was John Kerry thinking? He had to go no further than walking the streets of NC to know it wasn''t going to work.

Richard, once again I''m not going to comment on your latest. I think anyone is vulnerable out of context. How many times do you have to write the same stuff over and over and over again? You had your prime chance in the Hurricane thread. Instead of really going after this admin on topic, you regergitated the same song. Though props for at least using your own words.

Knowing quite a few people who are community leaders at a local level, many don''t want to serve because of the scrutiny (aka taking things out of context just for one) that we put our politicians under. Not to mention the money & selling your soul to raise the money. Anyone read the Brethern by Grisham? I am now & it''s depressing me. Anyone with any sense or credentials doesn''t want the job. That''s what I see as the problem. And, it''s sad because I don''t have any answers. Or maybe people who seek these offices are in themselves egomaniacs in which trouble follows? Who can handle all the negativity?

 

[fire&ice]

RINO? new one to me.

Storm, you need to move to VA where you have a constitutional right to HUNT. Unless they repeal the ammendment, guns aren''t going anywhere. And, I often ask - where is my constitutional right to SHOP?

 

[AGBF]

Date: 9/15/2005 9:20:52 AM
Author: fire&ice
Storm, you need to move to VA where you have a constitutional right to HUNT. Unless they repeal the ammendment, guns aren''t going anywhere.

Very true. As I wrote in threads about a dog who bites people on the threshold, Virginia does not see things the way Connecticut does. (Oh, please! Take me back to Connecticut!)

There were articles in the paper about a year ago because local residents decided to make a point about their right to bear arms and were wearing pistols into Starbucks in one the upscale local towns. Reston? One can see why one might need a pistol there. It is surely a crime if someone at the bar puts whole milk instead of skim into your latte.

Deb

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 9/15/2005 11:03:44 AM
Author: AGBF

Date: 9/15/2005 9:20:52 AM
Author: fire&ice
Storm, you need to move to VA where you have a constitutional right to HUNT. Unless they repeal the ammendment, guns aren''t going anywhere.

Very true. As I wrote in threads about a dog who bites people on the threshold, Virginia does not see things the way Connecticut does. (Oh, please! Take me back to Connecticut!)

There were articles in the paper about a year ago because local residents decided to make a point about their right to bear arms and were wearing pistols into Starbucks in one the upscale local towns. Reston? One can see why one might need a pistol there. It is surely a crime if someone at the bar puts whole milk instead of skim into your latte.

Deb

Funny.

Want to organize a grass roots organization to get the "right to shop" in the VA constitution?

 

[fire&ice]

To be fair since I mentioned Howard Dean. His seemingly "psychotic espisode" was taken completely out of context. The clip ran and ran like he was in a quiet movie theatre. Truth be, he was in a crowd where the decibal (sp?) level was equal to his voice. Made him *appear* to be a nut case.

 

[strmrdr]

RINO == republican in name only == closet socialist == lying scum

 

[MrBleeker]

Storm,

I happen to think Bush fits what you would want. The only exception is that there doesn''t exist a Congress that would agree with what he would ideally want, to pass with full majority.

 

[MrBleeker]

Date: 9/15/2005 1:13:01 AM
Author:Richard Hughes
Okay, I'm just gonna wing this one.

When a man's mother says that those who were just driven out of their homes by a devastating hurricane are 'better off' in a shelter because they were poor anyway, what do you think?

And when that woman is the Resident's mother, what are your thoughts?

And when the Resident's wife mispronounces the name of the biggest storm that has hit this nation in decades, what does that say?

When a civilian airliner is mistakenly shot down over the Persian Gulf by a US warship and the Resident's father declares: 'I will never apologize for the actions of the United States,' what does that say?

And when the Resident's mother stated in 2003: 'Why should we hear about body bags and deaths. Oh, I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?'

Just how far does the apple fall from the tree?

If you believe the election results, over 50% of the nation's voters cast their ballots for this. I'd certainly like to hear some sort of defense from those who actually cast their vote Dubya's way.

And if you've now changed your mind, I salute you. I kiss your feet. You will give the world salvation.

Sorry Mr. Hughes,

I can't give you any credence for this post. When you link me facts, I will counter with facts. If you want to just type diatribes on online forums, be my guest. But keep in mind, you do nothing but show how rediculous anyone who speaks against the President acts (note the P not R) by thinking these lines are actually true? Ha!

Anyone in the public eye is subject to scrutiny. Without having hard facts that these were actually quotes, and even if they were, without being involved in the discussions directly, we have no way to discern the context.

I need no "defense" for your post. It humors me greatly to think you have validity with this? In the same sentence, you accuse Barbara Bush of not pronouncing Katrina correctly (as if that has ANYTHING to do with her sincerity on the matter) and you want me to take your post seriously when you can't spell the word President? Explain the irony.

Just wanted to post that trite comments like these serve nothing more than to make me laugh. I am a staunch Bush supporter, and conservative. I do not like several things Bush is doing, but I am for more comfortable with him than any other in office at the moment. Apparantly the other 50 percent of the country are close to my lines of thinking.

 

[MrBleeker]

Date: 9/15/2005 9:09:44 AM
Author: strmrdr
No argument here I think that GWB is a scumbag RINO actually he is so far left he doesn''t even deserve the term RINO.
Like most of the rest of the republican party he is nothing more than democrat part 2 thats a little less honest about it.
Neither of the big parties are conservative and neither represent me.

Lets hear one say:
kick out the UN

end all foreign aid

bring back the work camps and put the welfare people to work and give them some dignity. There are plenty of public works projects that could be done.

A gun in every home that wants one.

All the unconstitutional parts of the federal government shut down.
Which is better than 90% including the federal reserve.

Then they will have my support :}

Storm,

Per the UN... I can''t think of many Republicans that wouldn''t like to get rid of the UN. Unfortunately, there are several other people in this country who WANT the UN (read... Democrats) and without a single mode of thought, the US involvement will always be a part of the UN, solely because the US doesn''t want any other countries dealing with the US security abroad. For example, the lack of any support for Iraq 3 years ago. The oil scandals with the head of the UN and his sons.

Per gun control.... Bush is a staunch supporter of the 2nd ammendment. The NRA fully supports him, and I guarentee you, they would not support any candidate that was not ( a supporter of the 2nd).

Per government.... 90 percent isn''t unconstitional. If it were, the judicial branch would have fixed that by now. Clearly, that is your opinion. But as far as reducing federal government''s involvement in our daily lives, Bush is a clear supporter of local control; ie... limited involvement. If he could reduce 90 percent of the federal involvement in issues that weren''t needed, he would. Sadly, many Democrats prevent this from happening. Welcome to Republican vs. Democrats; issue #1.

 

[MrBleeker]

Date: 9/15/2005 7:50:09 AM
Author: widget

If you''re right, Deborah (and I hope you''re not) let''s pray gas prices stay high!

...and that the Democrats get their act together and nominate someone who can win next time.

What do people think of Joe Biden?

widget

GASP!! Please, not Joe Biden. There are only a few people more scary to me. Hilary Clinton and Al Gore.

I usually do not agree with most Democrat ideals, but if the Dems want to win come next election, they need to rally behind a central figure that can actually have some impact. Lots of talk is surrounding Clinton as being the next bid, but analysts say that would be a bad idea; the first woman president to run for office would be a mistake this next election. Democrats want control back, and I doubt they will nominate a woman this time around, only because they NEED to win the next election. Who would I suggest? Hmm.. someone who a Republican could beat.. but honestly, there are no central Democrats who have stepped up to the plate as of late, to take command of their party and lead them towards the next election.

 

[MrBleeker]

Date: 9/15/2005 7:06:50 AM
Author: AGBF

Save your breath, Richard. If gas prices stay high, the Republicans may lose some power. Nothing else will motivate a change in the status quo.

Deborah

How in the world does the Republican party have anything to do with the current gas prices? The problem occured FAR before Bush took office. It started when America became dependent on foreign oil supplies. They can charge whatever prices they like, and we will pay it. Supply and demand.

One fix to gas prices is to drill elsewhere, in the US. This has been attempted but STYMIED by the democrats (read about drilling in Alaska and look at the last voting records and tell me which parties voted for and which against).

 

[widget]

Author: MrBleeker

GASP!! Please, not Joe Biden. There are only a few people more scary to me.

Why?

widget

 

[MrBleeker]

Just based alone on his stupid questions posed to Roberts during these confirmation hearings alone would make me not want him. He asks questions that have no basis, and Roberts is tearing the entire judiciary committee up with his knowledge, and the aides lack thereof, while the Senate democrats try to pin or nail him down somehow. It is quite a fun thing to watch.

But more importantly, because he is ultra-liberal and stands for about everything that I do not and vice versa. I can''t really pick any democrat I''d like to see in office, but Joe B. would be near the bottom of my pick list.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 9/16/2005 4:46:26 AM
Author: MrBleeker
How in the world does the Republican party have anything to do with the current gas prices?

Where did I say that it did?

Deborah

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 9/16/2005 7:24:15 AM
Author: widget

Author: MrBleeker

GASP!! Please, not Joe Biden. There are only a few people more scary to me.

Why?

widget

I think you could put GW on the dem ticket and staunch republicans would think he is too liberal.

Joe Biden appeals to me because he''s likeable & what you see is what you get. And, the only thing that comes away from the Robert''s conf. hearing is that Roberts is a darn good lawyer. If you knew me, that would not be a compliment.

Evasive lifted to an art form.

Leiberman is another - but by virtue of his religion I don''t think he is electable. Pity - but truthful.

I don''t think the nation is ready to elect a women pres. I think a women needs to be seen in a VP role first. Not that I would vote for Hillary anyway.

 

[widget]

Date: 9/16/2005 10:19:58 AM
Author: fire&ice
I think you could put GW on the dem ticket and staunch republicans would think he is too liberal.

...and staunch dems would think he was too conservative...

Joe Biden appeals to me because he's likeable & what you see is what you get.

...except his hairline....he had plugs...

And, the only thing that comes away from the Robert's conf. hearing is that Roberts is a darn good lawyer. If you knew me, that would not be a compliment.

Evasive lifted to an art form.

...another thread perhaps? I'd like to hear what people thnk of our soon-to-be chief justice...

Leiberman is another - but by virtue of his religion I don't think he is electable. Pity - but truthful.

...I LOVE Joe Leiberman! But agree he probably couldn't be elected...not only because of his religion, but because he's too smart, too honest, and too gentle and soft spoken.

I don't think the nation is ready to elect a women pres.

...I agree, but we have proven ready to elect a B-actor, and an ex-bodybuilder, and an underachieving preppy....

widget

 

[MrBleeker]

I agree Widget, I think that for the Presidential office to be held by a woman, it needs to be "broken in" so to speak. Someone needs to run as a VP on a ticket first. I could see Hilary doing that this election, setting herself up to run for Pres possibly in 4 or 8 years. But, as I like to say, the public was willing to vote on Arnold and Ventura.. but I really have doubts when it comes to the public voting for a female the first time one runs for office. I''m all for it, but everyone knows it will be hard the first time around.

 

[MrBleeker]

Date: 9/16/2005 7:29:33 AM
Author: AGBF

Where did I say that it did?

Deborah

Deborah, you made this post:

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Save your breath, Richard. If gas prices stay high, the Republicans may lose some power. Nothing else will motivate a change in the status quo.
Deborah
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Explain how that does NOT implicate that Republicans have either control over a) gas prices or b) are somehow responsible for them and c) eliminating their power of majority would fix gas prices. If that''s what you didn''t mean by your post, it wasn''t clear and I apologize. Just let me know what you mean by the post, because most people would read that in the same vein.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/15/2005 9:09:44 AM
Author: strmrdr
No argument here I think that GWB is a scumbag RINO actually he is so far left he doesn''t even deserve the term RINO.

Like most of the rest of the republican party he is nothing more than democrat part 2 thats a little less honest about it.

Neither of the big parties are conservative and neither represent me.


Lets hear one say:

kick out the UN


end all foreign aid


bring back the work camps and put the welfare people to work and give them some dignity. There are plenty of public works projects that could be done.


A gun in every home that wants one.


All the unconstitutional parts of the federal government shut down.

Which is better than 90% including the federal reserve.


Then they will have my support :}

thye would have to close off the southern boarder too.
Dont know why I forgot that.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/16/2005 4:40:57 AM
Author: MrBleeker

Date: 9/15/2005 9:09:44 AM



Per gun control.... Bush is a staunch supporter of the 2nd ammendment. The NRA fully supports him, and I guarentee you, they would not support any candidate that was not ( a supporter of the 2nd).

NRA is more anti-gun than it should be and I dont trust them or bush any farther than I could throw them when it comes to the 2nd.
Thanks to the nra we got the AW Ban, not so instant check, defacto federal registration, and the gun controll act of 1986.
And they arent doing jack about the illegal gun grab going on in N.O. by the police and national guard.

 

[MrBleeker]

Storm,

You appear cynical towards the NRA. But you have to realize how much good they do towards the 2nd ammendent. Without them, we would be well on the way to a gunless society due to Congress 10 years ago. You may not like everything about NRA, I''m fine with that. But don''t knock them, without realizing that in retrospect, they have completely and fully supported gun owners'' rights and the right to bear arms. They did not have anything to do with AW banning by the way.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 9/16/2005 11:56:41 AM
Author: MrBleeker

Date: 9/16/2005 7:29:33 AM

Author: AGBF


Where did I say that it did?


Deborah

Deborah, you made this post:


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Save your breath, Richard. If gas prices stay high, the Republicans may lose some power. Nothing else will motivate a change in the status quo.

Deborah

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Explain how that does NOT implicate that Republicans have either control over a) gas prices or b) are somehow responsible for them and c) eliminating their power of majority would fix gas prices. If that''s what you didn''t mean by your post, it wasn''t clear and I apologize. Just let me know what you mean by the post, because most people would read that in the same vein.

Explain how it doesn''t mean what you thought? Now there''s a new request! I meant what I wrote, but not what you thought. This is why what I wrote didn''t mean what you thought it meant:

You made the fallacious assumption that Republicans being blamed for the rise of gas prices had to correlate with Republican causation of the rise of oil prices.

Clear?

Deb

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/16/2005 2:16:04 PM
Author: MrBleeker
Storm,


You appear cynical towards the NRA. But you have to realize how much good they do towards the 2nd ammendent. Without them, we would be well on the way to a gunless society due to Congress 10 years ago. You may not like everything about NRA, I''m fine with that. But don''t knock them, without realizing that in retrospect, they have completely and fully supported gun owners'' rights and the right to bear arms. They did not have anything to do with AW banning by the way.

ahum I know very well what the comprimisers are up too I used to be a member now I give to GOA.
The nra has been in washington too long they are part of the problem not the solution.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 9/16/2005 11:50:16 AM
Author: widget

...I LOVE Joe Leiberman! But agree he probably couldn''t be elected...not only because of his religion, but because he''s too smart, too honest, and too gentle and soft spoken.

I HATE him! I HATE him! I HATE him! He is a conservative SOB: pro-war and pro-poverty. I knew him back when as I am from Connecticut.

Deborah

 

[widget]

Date: 9/16/2005 2:21:41 PM
Author: AGBF

Date: 9/16/2005 11:50:16 AM
Author: widget

...I LOVE Joe Leiberman! But agree he probably couldn''t be elected...not only because of his religion, but because he''s too smart, too honest, and too gentle and soft spoken.

I HATE him! I HATE him! I HATE him! He is a conservative SOB: pro-war and pro-poverty. I knew him back when as I am from Connecticut.

Deborah

Wow......

 

[fire&ice]

Date: 9/16/2005 4:09:47 PM
Author: widget

Date: 9/16/2005 2:21:41 PM
Author: AGBF

Date: 9/16/2005 11:50:16 AM
Author: widget

...I LOVE Joe Leiberman! But agree he probably couldn''t be elected...not only because of his religion, but because he''s too smart, too honest, and too gentle and soft spoken.

I HATE him! I HATE him! I HATE him! He is a conservative SOB: pro-war and pro-poverty. I knew him back when as I am from Connecticut.

Deborah

Wow......

I like him because he is ground middle to me. And, I fall more to Widgets POV.

The question was asked who could be elected. When I posed this question to my SUV drivin Suburban Housewives at lunch today, Biden''s name came up repeatedly. All liked Lieberman - most thought another actor was more likely to be elected

Most of the women were Bush supporters by default. All were horrified at the Jeb Bush possiblity. Another name was the Governor of Deb''s & my fine state (VA is where I can vote) Mark Warner.

Oh well - any other names in the hat? At the end of the day, you will have your Dem voter regardless of who runs. You will have your Rep. voter regardless. I wonder how many of the "me" type voters there are who doesn''t vote any particular party line? And, will they have an effect? I tend to think so because of the slight margins of late.