Fancy ligh Brownish Greenish Yellow Diamonds are they rare?

[Maria L]

Hi all,

I recently fell in love with this GIA certified 1.07ct Fancy light brownish greenish yellow diamond. I found it looks even more lively than the expensive pure green diamond. A local jeweller said these kind of diamonds are very rare come by in the market is he correct?

 

[tyty333]

Have you seen this stone in person? Have you checked it out in all different lighting situations?

Do you have a link to the GIA report or could you tell us the exact color from the report?

 

[Rfisher]

Does that ring in your picture if it indeed is the fancy light brownish greenish yellow diamond being referred to, have a bright green enamel/anodize/ceramic plated area on the ring setting under the stone? eta…..it’s electroplated.

Your question of a stone with that GIA color description being rare? I don’t think very much so. Finding one that looks very pleasing to the eye - yes I think so.

 

[Maria L]

Have you seen this stone in person? Have you checked it out in all different lighting situations?

Do you have a link to the GIA report or could you tell us the exact color from the report?

Here is the GIA report. The jeweller took videos with different angles and lighting. It's beautiful

 

[Maria L]

Have you seen this stone in person? Have you checked it out in all different lighting situations?

Do you have a link to the GIA report or could you tell us the exact color from the report?

Does that ring in your picture if it indeed is the fancy light brownish greenish yellow diamond being referred to, have a bright green enamel/anodize/ceramic plated area on the ring setting under the stone?

Your question of a stone with that GIA color description being rare? I don’t think very much so. Finding one that looks very pleasing to the eye - yes I think so.

There’s been a green ‘just’ as a modifying color posted on here a while ago that I think looks the best as a bluff green diamond ive seen in a long while. Not an expert tho!

Thanks I don't know much about diamonds and still learning. I have done some searching on diamonds with the same GIA description but nothing looked like this I could find.

I would have no idea if something places underneath the stone to get that effect. My friend brought from her before and seems reliable

 

[Rfisher]

Post a side view and an underside view of the ring? If you can, please? Closeup if possible?

 

[Maria L]

Post a side view and an underside view of the ring? If you can, please? Closeup if possible?

These are the photos I received. Good point about underside view.

 

[Karl_K]

In no way do those pictures match that description.

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

Where are pictures of the light brownish greenish yellow diamond? The ring pictured is either not it or is HEAVILY altered. That stone is a vivid I would guess.

For fcd color grading, when the colors end in "ish" that means about 15% and the main color is the last one listed. So a light brownish greenish yellow would be 15% brown, 15% green, and mostly yellow, but of course, light yellow.

 

[Maria L]

In no way do those pictures match that description.

Thanks and true, I took a look of the measurements which matched another ring she showed me more.

She also sent me another GIA report for another ring and the measurements seems much closer to the ring in the picture and colour os Fancy brown greenish yellow. I have sent her a message to enquire about it.

 

[Karl_K]

no, Fancy brown greenish yellow does not match the image any better than the other one did.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi All!
I've seen pieces like this- if not this exact one.
It's painted or enameled underneath for sure.
Personally, I feel it's a very deceptive method.
Diamonds don't look like that naturally.

Second....is this seller claiming that they took the photos?
That seems highly unlikely as well.
There are a lot of red flags here.....

 

[lovedogs]

Nope. This doesn't match the photo at all. You won't receive the pictured piece because it's almost certainly enhanced in some way.

 

[Demon]

I have seen jewelry shows where they shine some sort of pen light on a brownish green or olive colored diamond. They light up as a beautiful green, sort of like your image. But as soon as the pen light is gone, so is that beautiful green.

 

[mayaINaU]

I would suggest you look into reliable sellers of fancy colored diamonds. I have personally purchased from @Rockdiamond (Diamonds by Lauren) and so have many people on this board. Liebish is another credible seller of fancy colored diamonds. Both are based in NY, but you could trust them to be fully transparent and accurate as to color and any other aspects of the stone.

 

[lovedogs]

I would suggest you look into reliable sellers of fancy colored diamonds. I have personally purchased from @Rockdiamond (Diamonds by Lauren) and so have many people on this board. Liebish is another credible seller of fancy colored diamonds. Both are based in NY, but you could trust them to be fully transparent and accurate as to color and any other aspects of the stone.

Also Langerman, based in Europe

 

[oncrutchesrightnow]

To the OP, if the seller cannot give an explanation then maybe try a different vendor. If they say, “This diamond is set on top of a colored background and has a penlight shining on it” then you might want to ask for images in other lighting, assuming you do not find the lack of disclosure concerning enough not to buy from them at all.

I have seen jewelry shows where they shine some sort of pen light on a brownish green or olive colored diamond. They light up as a beautiful green, sort of like your image. But as soon as the pen light is gone, so is that beautiful green.

So interesting. I have a diamond that shifts a whole bunch of colors depending on the light source and angle. Fortunately it is a pretty color under almost every light. I can imagine a pen light getting an interesting result when shining directly on a diamond.

Does anyone know if chameleon diamonds do the color-shift-with-pen-light thing? It would be nice to collect a chameleon for its typical color change properties but I have not yet found one where I honestly love the default color enough to pay for it. But if it does cool stuff with a pen light, too, I might reconsider.

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

What is your diamond that shifts several colors? Sounds fascinating.

 

[oncrutchesrightnow]

What is your diamond that shifts several colors? Sounds fascinating.

Post in thread 'Moody stones: Post them here!'
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/moody-stones-post-them-here.278830/post-5284179

 

[kenny]

In no way do those pictures match that description.

+1000
Buyer beware.

Better yet ... buyer RUN! ... FAST!

 

[Maria L]

Seller's willing to send it to GIA for recheck if I was interested in the stone. I also got pictures of GIA inscription.

 

[mayaINaU]

Seller's willing to send it to GIA for recheck if I was interested in the stone. I also got pictures of GIA inscription.

I think the issue is that the pictures don’t match the GIA description. So not that the GIA was inaccurate, but that the photos are misleading.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Does anyone know if chameleon diamonds do the color-shift-with-pen-light thing

Yes!
A Chameleon diamonds color shifts after it’s been kept in the dark for a while and suddenly exposed to light. Or if you heat them.
Other sorts of FCD s and fluorescent diamonds are actually far more “malleable “ in terms of color.

 

[Demon]

To the OP, if the seller cannot give an explanation then maybe try a different vendor. If they say, “This diamond is set on top of a colored background and has a penlight shining on it” then you might want to ask for images in other lighting, assuming you do not find the lack of disclosure concerning enough not to buy from them at all.



So interesting. I have a diamond that shifts a whole bunch of colors depending on the light source and angle. Fortunately it is a pretty color under almost every light. I can imagine a pen light getting an interesting result when shining directly on a diamond.

Does anyone know if chameleon diamonds do the color-shift-with-pen-light thing? It would be nice to collect a chameleon for its typical color change properties but I have not yet found one where I honestly love the default color enough to pay for it. But if it does cool stuff with a pen light, too, I might reconsider.

I don't have just a pen light, so I can't say about chameleons. But I do have a little olive colored diamond that sometimes looks dark green, sometimes brownish, and if the sun hits it from behind, you see some bright green.

 

[Maria L]

Just an update about the stone (I was so determined to find out what it actually was ).
Spoke to a jeweller in Hong Kong I 100% trust as she got a similar diamond (green appearance but described as fancy greenish yellow in GIA) being sold in her website. This lady has always been honest and transparent with her jewelleries. She explained the diamond itself matched the description in GIA, but it was set on a green enamelled base to get that green tone. So some of you were right!
She said its a common practice in Oriental countries as nice green diamonds were simply not affordable. Using yellow diamonds (white diamond couldn't get that effects) to set on green enamelled base would get very nice green tones just like green diamonds. So what customers actually paying for are the fancy yellow diamonds with GIA and the settings.
I later asked the 1st seller and she kind of admitted that, claiming its an art! Having said that, the price she offered (around £4000) is not bad at all for a 1.07ct GIA certified Fancy brownish greenish yellow diamond and a setting with more than 1ct of white and small pink diamonds. So glad I found the truth and definitely learn a lot from you lots. Thanks so much for all your help.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Based on what I've seen- a number of dealers carrying a lot of these sorts of "fancy colored enamel" jewelry - I'm sure they're selling somewhere. That didn't sway my decision not to offer them on our site.
What put me off is a crucial aspect of these designs: They look great in the showcase ( or in pics)- incredibly difficult to properly clean, if it ever got dirty. Pretty much every diamond gets dirty sometimes if it gets worn.
To get the impossibly vivid shades of color, the bottom of the diamond is sealed off. If you apply a lot of steam, or other aggressive methods to clean the ring, the enamel can be damaged.

It's not my intention to ever dampen someone's spirits about buying a piece.
Given that we're discussing this publically- and I have no idea who's selling the piece- I can speak freely, as a professional familiar with these techniques- for the benefit of all our members reading, considering this type of piece.

 

[Maria L]

Based on what I've seen- a number of dealers carrying a lot of these sorts of "fancy colored enamel" jewelry - I'm sure they're selling somewhere. That didn't sway my decision not to offer them on our site.
What put me off is a crucial aspect of these designs: They look great in the showcase ( or in pics)- incredibly difficult to properly clean, if it ever got dirty. Pretty much every diamond gets dirty sometimes if it gets worn.
To get the impossibly vivid shades of color, the bottom of the diamond is sealed off. If you apply a lot of steam, or other aggressive methods to clean the ring, the enamel can be damaged.

It's not my intention to ever dampen someone's spirits about buying a piece.
Given that we're discussing this publically- and I have no idea who's selling the piece- I can speak freely, as a professional familiar with these techniques- for the benefit of all our members reading, considering this type of piece.

I didn't know diamonds need to be cleaned (i only wipe the surface with jewellery cloth). How often do you need to do that?

I did some research on this kind of coloured diamonds. They are not very popular in the Western world so far but you can find some in 1stdib website with high prices. All information is transparent but surely customers need to know what they are buying.

There are mixed reviews in different Chinese websites. Some called it an Enamel Art and claimed it would not damage the diamond. Some quite against the concept but did warn people to check diamond report to ensure the main diamond was a good quality one at least, as a lot of sellers used cheap quality stone instead.

Very interesting, I really want to study Gemology now

 

[Rockdiamond]

I didn't know diamonds need to be cleaned (i only wipe the surface with jewellery cloth). How often do you need to do that?

It's a real issue.
We advise our clients to take steps to protect the stones from getting funky.
Like, if you're about to make meatballs, take off the ring!
So, it really depends on how a person wears the ring. However, if it is worn, the great likelihood is that the stone will get dirty.
IN the case of most fancy colored diamonds, this is an issue because they really need to be clean to shine and show the color.
A long time ago, I made the decision to eliminate cups that block the bottom of the diamond- even though that step can add a few shades of intensity. I'd rather a Y-Z that looks like a Y-Z, but can be cleaned easily. This, as opposed to closing the bottom, to make it look like a Fancy Yellow...for a week or two till it gets grimy.

They are not very popular in the Western world so far but you can find some in 1stdib website with high prices. All information is transparent but surely customers need to know what they are buying.

Popular....interesting word choice
Without a doubt, the vast majority of diamond purchases are regualr round brilliant diamonds.
Probably over 90%.
But based on how many people we're talking about, that still leaves quite a few buyers who want something different. Even here in the "western World"
And there are other sites featuring these types of diamonds with more info and different ( better) pricing than the site you mentioned.

 

[Demon]

A long time ago, I made the decision to eliminate cups that block the bottom of the diamond- even though that step can add a few shades of intensity. I'd rather a Y-Z that looks like a Y-Z, but can be cleaned easily. This, as opposed to closing the bottom, to make it look like a Fancy Yellow...for a week or two till it gets grimy.

That's how I feel about it. And for me - not commenting on what anyone else does - making the diamond seem a different color than it is feels like a lie. Again - FOR ME.

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

Forgive me, but I still don't believe that a green cup can make a brownish greenish yellow diamond that vivid of a green from the pic above. I just put a loose alphabet diamond in green foil (I have for Christmas) and I got practically no change, let alone a beautiful Christmas green diamond. I bet the stone itself has some kind of colored film on it, if it's not Photoshop.

I'm not trying to be completely negative to your post, OP. My mother has a 3.2 ct fancy light yellowish green and I genuinely was hoping to give her reset ideas by testing at home the green cup idea.