FIC - good enough?

[jercker]

Hi all -

Found below stone:

0.84 carat, F, VS2, GIA XXX, no fluorescence with the following specs:

CA: 36 degree
PA: 40.6 degree
Table: 58%
Depth: 62.3%
Crown Height: 15.5%
Pavillon Depth: 43%
LGF: 75%
Stars: 55%
Girdle: 4%
Culet: None

HCA gives it 1.9 excellent within FIC range with fire excellent, light return, scintillation and spread very good.

Know that specs are borderline but stone is firey like crazy. Conscious of fire being extremely dependent on the type of light, would you consider the above?

 

[Kim N]

I would absolutely consider this stone. Are you able to get an ASET image to check for leakage?

 

[lovedogs]

I would absolutely consider this stone. Are you able to get an ASET image to check for leakage?

I agree, if you've seen it in person and like it, that says a lot. But an ASET, or video that we can look at (and pricing info) will also help

 

[jercker]

Havent seen it live but got some videos and photos (though fotos arent great). How can I upload videos as the photos arent really helpful (as you can see here). Wont be able to get an Aset unfortunately.

 

[jercker]

https://imgur.com/a/VMk6gZF

https://imgur.com/a/VMk6gZF

 

[jercker]

https://imgur.com/a/BV2ghyN

 

[Karl_K]

58 table with a 36 degree crown with 55% stars are a bit nuts but with gia rounding may be ok.
Edge to edge brightness might be impacted, or not.
45% stars would be ideal with 50% being generally ok.

 

[jercker]

Thats my concern - I d think a 80% lgf and a 50% stars would be more appropriate. I am really in between so any further guidance would be super helpful!

 

[Karl_K]

Thats my concern - I d think a 80% lgf and a 50% stars would be more appropriate. I am really in between so any further guidance would be super helpful!

An ASET image would answer the question quickly, Regular pics would have to be in the right lighting and in focus to tell for sure.

 

[sledge]

An easy solution would be to buy an ASET scope and have it overnighted so you could examine in the store.

I think they’re $50 + shipping now.

Agree with @Karl_K that it’s the only definitive way to get the confidence you seek so you can purchase.

 

[jercker]

Thanks all - unfortunately I wont be able to see the stone live and would need to buy based on photos, videos and Gia details as per above. For my understanding and conscious of the gia rounding leaving a lot of room which can quickly change the picture, how bad is the 36 crown angle 55 star with 58 table? What I want to get to is how bad could this be if the rounding doesnt turn out in my favour? This should still be an above avg triple xxx stone or am I wrong?

 

[tyty333]

What does the clarity plot look like? I'm seeing something on the table and my eyesight isn't even that good

 

[jercker]

I dont think its an inclusion bc its VS2 and if we were to see such an inclusion based on a bad photo/ video, I dont think it would get through as vs2 by Gia. Ref number is 6441722630 in case helpful.

 

[tyty333]

I dont think its an inclusion bc its VS2 and if we were to see such an inclusion based on a bad photo/ video, I dont think it would get through as vs2 by Gia. Ref number is 6441722630 in case helpful.

No clarity plot...darn!

Just FYI...not all VS2s are eye-clean.

Watch the last video you posted. There looks to be something at 12ish o'clock. See the items circled in orange. One may be a
reflection of the other (if it is an inclusion). I would double check to make sure this video is the stone you are interested in (the .84 F/VS2).

I just wanted back and blew up some of the photos and I'm questioning whether these may be of another stone. I just see too much
going on under the table (inclusions).

Can I ask who the vendor is?


Like what is this hammer looking inclusion?



@Karl_K and @sledge Can you both look at these pics again and tell me if I'm just going nuts or what???

(you can say I'm nuts...I'm ok with that! )

 

[Karl_K]

Honesty it sounds like this stone is never going to be mind clean enough to order due to the lack of information and the dealer not willing or able to get it.
I would just move on to another stone/dealer.
There are to many fish in the sea, not to be comfortable with your purchase before putting the $ down.

 

[Karl_K]

@Karl_K and @sledge Can you both look at these pics again and tell me if I'm just going nuts or what???

(you can say I'm nuts...I'm ok with that! )

Could be, to fuzzy to say for sure.
They add nothing to knowing how well its cut even if its the right stone so I did not pay much attention to them.
Which is another issue, in an age when an iphone with very little work will take great diamond vids, there is little excuse for crappy ones from vendors.

 

[jercker]

Friend of mine will be able to see the stone live tmrw - however, without aset. He isnt necessarily a diamond expert but anything you would recommend him to look at to get a sense if its ok or a no-go (i.e. conscious of him not being too familiar with light leakage etc, any tips how he can get a sense of the cut for the above stone)? He will also be able to check re the inclusions ofc. Thanks once more in advance

 

[momofive]

That's a tough one. I guess, have him read through this post for all the comments and then make sure he takes the diamond into different lighting situations. The jewelers lighting can make bad diamonds look good. Outdoor, sunlight, diffused light, office lighting... Have him take videos in all those situations to compare.

 

[jercker]

Decided against it - now I am looking at these two stones.

Stone A:
0.81 carat, G, VS2, GIA XXX, no fluorescence with the following specs:

CA: 35.5 degree
PA: 40.6 degree
Table: 57%
Depth: 62.6%
Crown Height: 15.5%
Pavillon Depth: 43%
LGF: 80%
Stars: 45%
Girdle: 4%
Culet: None

HCA gives it 1.4 with everything excellent besides spread which is very good.

Stone B:
0.80 carat, G, VS2, GIA XXX, no fluorescence with the following specs:

CA: 35.5 degree
PA: 40.8 degree
Table: 57%
Depth: 62.5%
Crown Height: 15.5%
Pavillon Depth: 43%
LGF: 75%
Stars: 50%
Girdle: 4%
Culet: None

HCA gives it 2.6 with everything very good only.

What's your thought on the above stones - I like the specs of the first more but a bit concerned with the depth of 62.6%. HCA says it looks smaller than average.

Also when compared vs the initial one which one do you prefer? Thanks a lot in advance

 

[sledge]

Both are maybe’s. Depends on actuals and not averaged & rounded values. Easiest way to tell is ASET or idealscope.

Depths are borderline.

And my knee jerk is stone B with 35.5/40.8 isn’t going to work well as the steeper 40.8 pavilion isn’t complimenting and helping offset the steeper 35.5 crown.

Any pictures, videos or advanced images?