Found a dreamy diamond ! Decisions…decisions

[LoveLavie]

I am super excited to share with you! I found my dreamy diamond on James Allen ! what do you think ? Anything I should watch out for ?
Should I up my budget and pull the trigger ?!

I have questions about IF clarity , how likely it is that they make a mistake and I might have huge drop in value if some thing is found ?

I also check the diamond with Holloway Cut Advisor ( thank you pricescope !) in the excellent range.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-if-clarity-true-hearts-cut-sku-8112536

 

[LoveLavie]

Does the large table % means less sparkle for this diamond ? Would I notice difference say compare to WF A cut diamond ? Thank you !

 

[mwilliamanderson]

The crown is shallower than what we usually recommend for a TIC (Tolk Ideal Cut) which is a well balanced stone, both fiery and bright. A stone with a shallower crown will lean towards more brightness at the expense of some fire. You can read more about proportions and their effect here:

Diamond Proportions

The physics of light-behavior within a diamond are reliably consistent, which means proportions measurements can be useful.

www.pricescope.com

To answer your question: It will look different than an ACA because it is cut to different proportions.

 

[LoveLavie]

The crown is shallower than what we usually recommend for a TIC (Tolk Ideal Cut) which is a well balanced stone, both fiery and bright. A stone with a shallower crown will lean towards more brightness at the expense of some fire. You can read more about proportions and their effect here:

Diamond Proportions

The physics of light-behavior within a diamond are reliably consistent, which means proportions measurements can be useful.

www.pricescope.com

To answer your question: It will look different than an ACA because it is cut to different proportions.

Thank you for the detailed explanation.

I was looking at this diamond from WF before I found the one from James Allen.

I think the main ‘visual difference’ would be the cut ? I am just not sure how noticeable would these two compare and if it is worth the 10k difference to go for the A cut diamond from WF.

thanks again for all the help I received from pricescope !

Diamond | 2.195 ct F VVS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4222763

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.195 carat F color VVS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4222763

www.whiteflash.com

 

[mwilliamanderson]

Are you sure that you need to have that level of clarity?
I’m not saying that the JA stone won’t be beautiful by the way. Some would buy it based on price and having it be close enough to ideal specs. Only you can decide that.

I am someone who believes in the benefits of paying for a super ideal stone. If you ever want to upgrade you can do so for any increase in price. They own the branded stones they sell. As a result they pay attention to optical precision in a way that other sellers don’t and they provide the images to back up their stones.

You are comparing apples to oranges with those two diamonds due to the difference in color grade. Here’s a lower clarity, but clean looking WolfCBI stone in similar size and color range in a VS2 for $34,000 approx. WolfCBI has an excellent upgrade program as well.

Wolf | CBI ™

wolfcbi.com

I will look at BGD and see what they have as well. There is not a huge inventory in that size right now.

 

[mwilliamanderson]

Here’s one from BGD:

2.12 G VVS2 Signature Round

Buy diamonds online - AGS Graded 2.12 carat G VVS2 super ideal cut Black By Brian Gavin Round Cut diamond. Lifetime Upgrade Policy!

www.briangavindiamonds.com

Here’s an older thread that I think is useful to read regarding purchasing a GIAXXX or AGS0 vs buying a branded stone.

Is whiteflash a cut above all that? second option...

Looking for some help, doing some research I see whiteflash come up ALL the time. Wondering if their "a cut above" is actually any better? For instance, here's a stone from rockher which I haven't heard much about vs a whiteflash, is WF worth the extra $. Also attached is the gia for the...

www.pricescope.com

ETA: I just realized you had another recent thread. Are you still making a three stone ring? If so you’ll need sidestones correct? Or do you have them already. I’m thinking you might want to purchase them all from the same vendor if possible so they can put eyes on them all at once and find great matches.

 

[LoveLavie]

Here’s one from BGD:

2.12 G VVS2 Signature Round

Buy diamonds online - AGS Graded 2.12 carat G VVS2 super ideal cut Black By Brian Gavin Round Cut diamond. Lifetime Upgrade Policy!

www.briangavindiamonds.com

Here’s an older thread that I think is useful to read regarding purchasing a GIAXXX or AGS0 vs buying a branded stone.

Is whiteflash a cut above all that? second option...

Looking for some help, doing some research I see whiteflash come up ALL the time. Wondering if their "a cut above" is actually any better? For instance, here's a stone from rockher which I haven't heard much about vs a whiteflash, is WF worth the extra $. Also attached is the gia for the...

www.pricescope.com

ETA: I just realized you had another recent thread. Are you still making a three stone ring? If so you’ll need sidestones correct? Or do you have them already. I’m thinking you might want to purchase them all from the same vendor if possible so they can put eyes on them all at once and find great matches.

Yes. I am still making my three stone ring and back to square one choosing between a 2ct or 1.7ct for the center stone.

1.7ct is this one

Diamond | 1.705 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4392268

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.705 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4392268

www.whiteflash.com

Thanks for finding the similar diamond on BGD for me.

 

[headlight]

I would pass on the JA. The table is larger than I would want and the crown height way too low. You will have a very flat top profile diamond and for me (and others) not the most attractive.
Also, in all honestly, I would go for D or E color over IF, but that's me. No one will "see" the IF that you would pay heavily for.
The ACA is so much better on proportions. And you will have a colorless stone. Others here may disagree with me, but there is a difference between F and G color, otherwise there wouldn't be 2 different grades. The VVS1 will still be AMAZING!!!
In my book there is completely no comparison.
I did not look at the BGD Black you referenced... his stones are exceptional. I think the most beautiful of the super ideal vendors. (On that note, I do not believe the JA True Hearts are on par with WF and BGD and CBI.) You have to decide your ceiling on price and how you feel about color. I don't think you need to worry about diff btwn a vvs1 and vvs2.

 

[tyty333]

I would go for a better cut over higher clarity. These 2 bring the price down while still having a super ideal cut and being eye-clean.

Diamond | 2.341 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4412611

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.341 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4412611

www.whiteflash.com

or a lovely F/VS1

Diamond | 2.252 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4345128

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.252 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4345128

www.whiteflash.com

 

[DejaWiz]

Another JA AGS000 option to peruse...you get a $1500 allowance/credit towards a setting, since it's over $30K.
You'll have to ask for the grading report, but it looks to have around a 57% table and around a 15.5% crown height.

Round 2.2200 carat diamond listed by James Allen

www.pricescope.com

 

[flyingpig]

It needs a new report.

 

[LoveLavie]

I would go for a better cut over higher clarity. These 2 bring the price down while still having a super ideal cut and being eye-clean.

Diamond | 2.341 ct G VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4412611

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.341 carat G color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4412611

www.whiteflash.com

or a lovely F/VS1

Diamond | 2.252 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4345128

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.252 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4345128

www.whiteflash.com

my original pick was the 1.7ct F

Diamond | 1.705 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4392268

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.705 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4392268

www.whiteflash.com

this 2.12ct H actually is similar price

Diamond | 2.120 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4427738

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.120 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4427738

www.whiteflash.com

since I am making a three stone , finger size 5.5-5.75 , if I go up to 2ct+ I would choose 0.4ct side stones , 1.7ct with 0.5ct sides.

I have never seen H in person though. I think probably I would get good finger coverage with either one ? Which one would be your choice ?

Thanks all for all your suggestions ! I think I wanna stick with best cut possible and pass the James Allen stone.

 

[heididdl]

Thank you for the detailed explanation.

I was looking at this diamond from WF before I found the one from James Allen.

I think the main ‘visual difference’ would be the cut ? I am just not sure how noticeable would these two compare and if it is worth the 10k difference to go for the A cut diamond from WF.

thanks again for all the help I received from pricescope !

Diamond | 2.195 ct F VVS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4222763

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.195 carat F color VVS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4222763

www.whiteflash.com

Go withthe WF......Internally flawless is overrated how many people will walk up to you with a loupe also the table is a little large in that one
Everyone here drools over white flash this is stunning stone

 

[Diamond_Enthusiast]

Agree with others that cut is more important than super high clarity. When a stone is well cut, it has a tendency to look somewhat larger than its carat weight suggest too.

The sizes that you are looking at aren't small stones, so safer to stick to the super ideal vendors like WF, BGD and CBI. Also, with larger sized stones, you are more likely to see color in the body particularly the side view so it might be a good idea to go with higher colors.

I would place more value on cut and color than higher clarity. It still needs to be eye clean on close inspection with the naked eye and I would reject any with inclusions that might compromise the structural integrity of the stone.

 

[LoveLavie]

my original pick was the 1.7ct F

Diamond | 1.705 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4392268

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.705 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4392268

www.whiteflash.com

this 2.12ct H actually is similar price

Diamond | 2.120 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4427738

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.120 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4427738

www.whiteflash.com

since I am making a three stone , finger size 5.5-5.75 , if I go up to 2ct+ I would choose 0.4ct side stones , 1.7ct with 0.5ct sides.

I have never seen H in person though. I think probably I would get good finger coverage with either one ? Which one would be your choice ?

Thanks all for all your suggestions ! I think I wanna stick with best cut possible and pass the James Allen stone.

Thanks all for the advice ! I will stick with WF A cut stone to save myself from a future cry.


now I am comparing the 1.7ct F and 2.1ct H …

what do you think ? Thank you !

 

[MamaBear]

Can you get out to look at an H (GIA graded)? I think that will help you step forward.

 

[tyty333]

Thanks all for the advice ! I will stick with WF A cut stone to save myself from a future cry.


now I am comparing the 1.7ct F and 2.1ct H …

what do you think ? Thank you !

Did you ask for side-by-side pics of these 2 stones? It might help you decide. Also, a pic of them upside down (side-by-side).

Did someone do the relative size picture (on a finger) for you? I thought I saw one done for you somewhere but it may have been
with two different stones. (You've had a few threads going so I'm confusing myself ) Anyway, if you need a diamdb picture
let me know and I can do it for you so you can tell the relative size difference.

Also, I know you posted it but what size finger do you have?

 

[LoveLavie]

Hi,
Found another stone, how Is this one compare with the A cut diamond from WF ? @mwilliamanderson ,@DejaWiz , @headlight . @tyty333 and everyone else thanks for your suggestions and help !

Diamond | 2.252 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4345128

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 2.252 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4345128

www.whiteflash.com

GIA 2.34ct F




@tyty333 I did ask for side by side, the H color is slightly ,very slightly shows yellow tint. Not sure if it’s in my head, they didn’t compare it with hand shot though. My size is 5.5 - 5.75
so currently I prefer the 1.7ct F from WF

Diamond | 1.705 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4392268

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.705 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4392268

www.whiteflash.com

 

[mwilliamanderson]

Do you have a link to video of the stone? I assume you're asking about the GIA F 2.34. The proportions look very good except for the 60% Stars. I've never seen that number so high. Maybe @Karl_K, @flyingpig or anyone smarter than me on these issues, could educate us on what effect that might have on the stone.

 

[Diamond_Enthusiast]

Agree that is the 60% Stars look high. Curious about its effects too.

That GIA cert you posted shows feathers being the inclusions. Maybe ok for VS1 but the feather are around the girdle which is "Thin" - potential durability issues?

Also the polish is very good rather than Excellent. Why not get triple Excellent if you can?

 

[Karl_K]

Inclusions should be fine, the 60% stars might or might not be an issue.
Need an is/ASET image.
It has a 56 table and 34.5 crown, with a 34 crown the 60% stars would be fine.
The gia rounding makes that statement less reliable.
The effect is raising the angle for the upper girdle facets, they start on the end of the stars, if they get over steep you lose edge to edge brightness in some lighting then all lighting if bad enough.
With a shallower crown long stars and steeper uppers can increase scintillation.

 

[LoveLavie]

Inclusions should be fine, the 60% stars might or might not be an issue.
Need an is/ASET image.
It has a 56 table and 34.5 crown, with a 34 crown the 60% stars would be fine.
The gia rounding makes that statement less reliable.
The effect is raising the angle for the upper girdle facets, they start on the end of the stars, if they get over steep you lose edge to edge brightness in some lighting then all lighting if bad enough.
With a shallower crown long stars and steeper uppers can increase scintillation.

Thank you. some more photos




Btw, has anyone purchase with this vendor before ? Anything I should watch out for If I work with them?

2.34ct F VS1 GIA EX Distinctive Hearts & Arrows Round Brilliant Cut Diamond

Wanna see the rarest type of Hearts & Arrows Ideal Cut in a GIA Ex? You're looking at it! This diamond ... Falls smack in the GIA Ex/AGS Ideal delta Triple Very High on the BrillianceScope Rarest Isee2/Sarine results Unparalleled level of precision The rarest of ASET results Rarest Ideal...

www.distinctivegem.com

 

[Karl_K]

Thank you. some more photos




Btw, has anyone purchase with this vendor before ? Anything I should watch out for If I work with them?

2.34ct F VS1 GIA EX Distinctive Hearts & Arrows Round Brilliant Cut Diamond

Wanna see the rarest type of Hearts & Arrows Ideal Cut in a GIA Ex? You're looking at it! This diamond ... Falls smack in the GIA Ex/AGS Ideal delta Triple Very High on the BrillianceScope Rarest Isee2/Sarine results Unparalleled level of precision The rarest of ASET results Rarest Ideal...

www.distinctivegem.com

stars are fine..lowers have enough variation that a lot of people would not consider it hearts and arrows

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Distinctive Gems is Rhino, very trusted and beloved by his customers.
I love him from his old youtube videos from GOG.

 

[LoveLavie]

stars are fine..lowers have enough variation that a lot of people would not consider it hearts and arrows

Thankyou ! So it‘s light performance is not ideal , that makes sense. It is cheaper than A cut from WF

 

[DejaWiz]

Thankyou ! So it‘s light performance is not ideal , that makes sense. It is cheaper than A cut from WF

Light performance should be A-OK.
It's the slight symmetry issues (GIA graded as VG) which would likely exclude it from most super ideal H&A diamond sellers, which is visible in both the hearts and the arrows images.