FS: 1.24 ct OEC (Old European Cut) Wedding set

[jmb1978]

Hi everyone,

I'm a long time lurker here but I don't post too often. I've mainly used this site to educate myself more on diamonds. However I understand that my low post count can be a detriment so I will do anything I can to ensure a smooth sale.

With that being said, I'd like to direct your attention to a ring my girlfriend and I have decided to sell. I've just listed it over on DB (with some pictures):

http://diamondbistro.com/category/2...1/OEC-(Old-Eurpoean-Cut)-124ct-solitaire.html

In a nutshell, it's a 1.24 ct (estimated) Old European Cut diamond in a wedding ring set. SI-1 and "L" color according to recent appraisal. More details from the appraisal can be found in the link above. We decided to try and sell this as a complete ring; however we're not opposed to having the diamond un-mounted and sold as a loose stone. Please note, that I am by no means a diamond expert. We had this appraisal done to help determine what a fair selling price would be, and as such, that is the only method I have to set a selling price with, so let us see what happens at 3500.

Thanks everyone!

 

[Skippy123]

do you happen to have more pictures of this?

 

[jmb1978]

do you happen to have more pictures of this?

I don't at the moment, but I will go try and take some right now. I'll report back when they are posted on DB. Thanks!

 

[jmb1978]

OK, I put some new photos up over at DB and I also added a YouTube video. Not the best quality but what can I do with an iPhone?

Any questions, let me know. Thanks!

 

[Dreamer_D]

Do you know, when the stone was recut did they actually recut the facets on the pavilion (bottom) or just polish off the scratch on the table?

I ask because in the photos the diamond does not look like an OEC at all! It looks like a modern RB with arrows and everything. If the stone has a culet as the appraisal indicates, then it could be a "transitional" cut, which would explain the relatively shallow depth for an OEC, and also the slightly larger table than you often see.

Does the stone look very bright white in most lighting, like, reflecting a lot of white light back at your eyes?

Anyways, it is a very interesting diamond, but it certainly looks like a transitional cut to my eyes!

 

[jmb1978]

Do you know, when the stone was recut did they actually recut the facets on the pavilion (bottom) or just polish off the scratch on the table?

I ask because in the photos the diamond does not look like an OEC at all! It looks like a modern RB with arrows and everything. If the stone has a culet as the appraisal indicates, then it could be a "transitional" cut, which would explain the relatively shallow depth for an OEC, and also the slightly larger table than you often see.

Does the stone look very bright white in most lighting, like, reflecting a lot of white light back at your eyes?

Anyways, it is a very interesting diamond, but it certainly looks like a transitional cut to my eyes!

Hi Dreamer,

Thanks for the post and the questions. I'm not sure how well I can answer them but I will try. First, I too thought this was a standard RB. I had no idea there was such a cut as an OEC until my appraiser said that our diamond WAS one. She mentioned that OEC's tend to have culets, smaller tables and higher crowns than RB's. Aside from those things she told me, I know nothing else about determining an OEC from a RB. She determined it was an OEC almost immediately, but I don't think she would mind if I had her take another look to be sure.

I am not familiar with a transitional cut... is that a cut that's between an OEC and a RB? I'm thinking that if the recut only included polishing the table, then it would both reduce the depth and enlarge the table, bringing it more in line with your observations. As far as my girlfriend can recall, the recut only affected the table.

I would say the stone does look fairly white in most conditions. The appraiser noted that it faces up quite a bit whiter than it really is. Though when compared to a set of GIA masters that she had, it turned out to be an "L." As well, prior to this appraisal, I had a local jeweler eyeball this diamond, just to give me a quick idea of what it was. Without any master stones, this jeweler guessed it would be an I color. Again, that was a seat-of-the-pants guess. I don't own any other diamonds to compare it to, so I don't know how much more I can say that would be of help, except to say that it does SEEM pretty white for an L. It is whiter in real life than in my pictures; all I have to take photos with is my iPhone and it kept over-yellowing both the diamond and the setting. I tried some shots with my 5D but without any macro lenses, I got lousy results. The diamond seems to sparkle quite well. I had hoped my video would capture it but it only came out so-so. I'm really starting to see why the experts here always advise to not buy a diamond until you can physically see it in person. I just can't find a way to get pictures that are accurate of how this one looks.

Anyway, I hope this helps... If you need more clarification on anything, I'd be happy to go back to the appraiser for some further evaluation.

Thanks!

 

[Dreamer_D]

HI,

A transitional is indeed a diamond that shows properties of both an OEC and a modern RB, usually cut starting in about the 1930s or later. It is not a technical definition of cut type, so unless an appraiser is *very* familiar with old cuts they would be unlikely to use that term. Your diamond has a culet and a higher crown, which is typical in an OEC, but given the noticable arrows it would seem the pavilion of the diamond has longer lower girdle facets than a typical OEC. More like a modern RB! So you can probably think of the cut as a hybrid It looks very sparkly in the video, I wish you good luck with your sale!

ETA: The polish of the table is unlikely to have removed much of the stone, not enough to affect the table size unless the damage was very deep! In all liklihood the table has always been about that size, a wee bit larger than you might see in older OECs, but not over large by any definition!

 

[jmb1978]

Thanks for the info! I love that I always learn something anytime I come by this place!

 

[jmb1978]

REDUCED! $3000!

Hi Everyone,

We have received no bites on this at $3500 so let's try again at $3,000. I can't figure out how to change my first post (where is the "edit post" option?) so I'll put this here for now.

$3000 takes it! Link in Original Post. Thanks!

 

[angeline]

If you could get a pic straight on to the diamond so that the facet pattern was easy to see I think that might be useful.

Do you know anyone with a macro camera? If you had better pics I think it might help. It would be a great price if it's a pretty stone, it's just hard to tell at the moment.

Good luck!