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Gasp! Another Padparadscha post

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Hi all,

This is my first post and prior to this point I have really been trying to dig in and do my research. As in many posts I'm looking into Diamond alternatives for an engagement ring for my girlfriend and some point along the way we ended up on Pads.

From my perspective my timing could have been better with Pads seeming to be more popular since Princess Euginies engagement ring hit the internet.

So I have a few questions and I don't think they are repetitive (if they are I apologize). But first regarding cuts, and I suppose this would apply to any sapphire. It appears to me that some cuts are more accessible (say oval) as opposed to say cushion or pear. Is that driven at all by demand or is that purely the nature of sapphires?

Additionally, in reading many previous posts where links to specific pads are for sale, and looking at many vendors listed on the forum that there seems to be a dollar amount (say 5000) where it is rare to see any pads for sale slightly above that amount (say in the 10-15k range) is that a vendor supply because of the rarity of the stone? Are there pads in that range out there from reputable dealers?

Lastly, it seems like there is sometimes room for dispute about whether a gem is truly a Pad or not. I would love to have involvement with someone (jeweler) in person. I live in upstate NY and there are a few that seem to be very reputable in terms of diamond engagement rings, however I'm just not sure that they would deal with gemstones enough to be beneficial to work with. Would it be worth my while to drive to say Boston or NYC,(totally reasonable drive) to work with someone in person? Or am I over thinking this like crazy?

To end at this point things are very flexible from budget to cut to even going another direction all together, I personally just don't want to get taken and pay for something that isn't worth it.(don't we all)

Thanks for any input/feedback
 
It’s unfortunate that so many people are competing for the same limited pool of pads right now. Yes, ovals are much more common for colored stones as they waste less material. However, if you don’t like ovals, I would say the second most common shape is the cushion cut, and you could get one that is roundish.

I think the best advice is to read through all the old threads to find out what to look for, research vendors and check out recommendations that are posted for you. The idea to work with a jeweller is a good one since you live near NYC, but you should look for one who knows colored stones very well. Before you do that though, it’s good to have formed reasonable expectations about what you are willing to compromise on (e.g. size, shape, treatment) so that you don’t have a wasted journey.

You can read Yvonne Raley’s anecdote (she’s one of the NYC based jewelers) about the couple who wanted a large and flawless Mahenge Spinel here: https://www.cecileraleydesigns.com/blogs/cecile-raley-designs/mahenge-spinel-revisite
 
Roger Derry had a nice 3+ ct. one, not sure if he still has it. But it was definitely on the more expensive end of the spectrum (may have been ~20k-35k based on what was reported here). I would ask him if he has anything in stock or upcoming.

Looks like Mayer and Watt also have them in stock for roughly commensurate prices.

If you really are worried about authenticity then insist on an AGL lab report saying pad.

Edited to add AGL and GIA (and other labs) sometimes disagree on what constitutes a pad. Ideally you would want AGL to consider it a pad.
 
The $$$$ is in the name and without an AGL report identifying it as a Padparadscha sapphire, it just a pink maybe a bit orange sapphire which should be a lot cheaper.
Lots of people are happy to call their slightly orange sapphire a “pad” just as people like to call their slightly red pink sapphirer a ruby because there’s more money in those names.
I’d concentrate on finding the gem in the colour, size and price point you like and then see if it’s actually AGL identified as a Padparadscha to warrant its more expensive price.
 
On shape, oval and cushion are more common in sapphire. Precision cutters like rounds. Pears are pretty rare and rarer still to be good performing. Its helpful to have an idea of the size you like in mm, which might depend a bit on the kind of setting you have in mind. Weight is variable and I usually use it only to get me in the general ballpark. Also, the line between padparadscha and not is pretty fine in terms of color. So, I usually keep my search open to "peach" and "salmon".

The color on these is lovely, but the one on the left has pretty clear color concentration at the tips.

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Thank you all for the feedback. It sounds like I'll most definitely have to be reaching out to finewater gems.

Does anyone have any direct feedback on gemfix? It appears there are a few pads listed in the price range id be open to. Just want curious if quality.

Thanks again for all the feedback. It's certainly not something I'm looking for overnight and an willing to take some time to find the right stone.
 
Thank you all for the feedback. It sounds like I'll most definitely have to be reaching out to finewater gems.

Does anyone have any direct feedback on gemfix? It appears there are a few pads listed in the price range id be open to. Just want curious if quality.

Thanks again for all the feedback. It's certainly not something I'm looking for overnight and an willing to take some time to find the right stone.

I went to gemfix in person last month. I met with the owner Andrew, he is the gem cutter as well. I recieved great feedback online about him from this sit, and he was just as awesome in person. Very helpful, no pressure salesman. I went there looking for a padparadscha sapphire as well. He has a relatively large selection compared to what I've seen online. His descriptions of the colors online were spot on. They definitely look different in person than online, I am definitely glad I went to his store. He is located in downtown san Diego, I actually flew down there for the morning.
I am a complete amateur at gemstones, but spent a lot of time researching and posting on this site in my search for a pad and gemfix came up numerous times. I had an excellent experience with gemfix and would reccomend them to everyone.
 
The finewater sapphires are no longer on sale. They have returned to the regular price.
 
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