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UnderBlue

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This post might not have much of a point, I just need to tell someone what''s going on with me, you''ve been warned. =p

Yesterday I woke up ridiculously grumpy and angry, just mad at my boyfriend and everything I saw him (not) doing. I just stewed away thinking how if I don''t do it, nothing gets done.

I think there''s a lot of stuff going on:
* We''re at his parents now, which is hard for me because it''s hard for me to not be able to do my own thing even at my parent''s house and I''m bad at making small talk and being around people i don''t know which is all that''s going to be happening for he next week and a half.
* I''ve been feeling pretty crap about myself lately. Every time I look in the mirror I think bad things including why would I ever expect anyone, let alone him, to want to be with me.
* I think it was this time about a year ago I started getting LIW-itis and we talked about marriage and he said "in a year". Though I''m 99% sure he isn''t planning anything becasue I don''t think he ever plans anything.
* His cousin just got married, which leaves us as the only unmarried/unengaged couple on one side of the family. And one of his best friends is getting married in a month.
* We had talked about getting married in October 2010, which is fast approaching with lots of complications.

When we talked about wedding things a few months ago we had picked a date for October 2010, which at the time seemed doable and it made me feel a lot better about everything. But now, that''s only 10 months away and we won''t even be moving to the area where we''d be getting married for another 2.5 months or more. We don''t want to pick a location we''ve never been to, so that cuts down the time. Everyone will have to travel to come to our wedding, so I''d really like to let people know to save a couple vacation days to come see us, but he doesn''t want anything mentioned to anyone until after he''s asked. I understand that, but I also know how people plan out vacation days way in advance.

It all just feels impossible. And I feel the same as I did yesterday, like I have to do everything and if I don''t think about it and plan it, it won''t get done. I feel the same way about him asking me. That he won''t plan anything out, that he''ll just keep thinking he can do it later. I think I''ve made it clear I''m not looking for anything fancy. That I don''t expect the ring when he asks (so he''s not waiting on that). He''s also said before that maybe we can tell people around the holidays about the wedding date, which to him was probably just thinking out loud or something but to me means "we''ll be engaged then so we can tell people."

I have just been feeling upset, frustrated and angry to the point that even if he did ask now, I don''t know what I''d say. And it brings up all those feelings/thoughts of, if he really wanted to marry me he would have already, etc. And of course when I act/feel like this I wonder if it''s a strike against me, like that''s why he''s not asking.

I know I''m acting a bit nutso, but I doubt I''m the only one who''s ever acted/thought like this.
 
Oh Underblue, you sound stressed out!

Being in unfamiliar surroundings can put a strain on any relationship, especialy if there are potential in-laws to contend with.
Give him until New Years to make some progress, and then sit down and have a serious chat about timelines.

In the mean time, try to focus on the things he does that are endearing or that make you happy.
Feel free to let him know you''re feeling stressed (you don''t have to tell him why) and that you''re not at your best, and let him know you could use some extra TLC.

I hope you feel better soon!
 
First off, (((((((hugs)))))))).

I agree with HopeDream that you can mention timelines after the New Year if nothing''s happened on that front by then.

But it also sounds as though you''re feeling a lot of resentment for him not pulling his weight (i.e., if something needs to get done you''re the one who has to do it). This is something I would definitely bring up with him. Perhaps not tell him directly that he''s not pulling his load but perhaps say you''re feeling really stressed and it would help you if he''d do some things. Then say A, B, C, and D need to get done. Which would he like to do? That way he also gets some choice in the matter but not everything is on your shoulders.

Anyway, good luck with your visit and hope things get better soon!
 
Date: 12/22/2009 6:31:50 PM
Author:UnderBlue
This post might not have much of a point, I just need to tell someone what''s going on with me, you''ve been warned. =p
Yesterday I woke up ridiculously grumpy and angry, just mad at my boyfriend and everything I saw him (not) doing. I just stewed away thinking how if I don''t do it, nothing gets done.
Lots of Hugs to you also, but I think it may be time to maybe relax a little bit.

I think there''s a lot of stuff going on:
* We''re at his parents now, which is hard for me because it''s hard for me to not be able to do my own thing even at my parent''s house and I''m bad at making small talk and being around people i don''t know which is all that''s going to be happening for he next week and a half.
Unfortunately this is part of the crazy holidays.. obviously not always the most fun thing to do, but we all have to tough through it at one point or another. I don''t know how long that you have been with your BF, but it should get easier as time passes to make some conversation. In the meantime, maybe you could run to the store and get a good book
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so you had something to do and didn''t feel left out or "expected" to be part of every conversation.
* I''ve been feeling pretty crap about myself lately. Every time I look in the mirror I think bad things including why would I ever expect anyone, let alone him, to want to be with me.
Cheer up girly, you are worth it and you need to definately realize that you deserve the BEST
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- Good things come in time, be patient
* I think it was this time about a year ago I started getting LIW-itis and we talked about marriage and he said ''in a year''. Though I''m 99% sure he isn''t planning anything becasue I don''t think he ever plans anything.
I hate to say it, but this Forum is probably not going to do you any good with the patience thing... as much support as you can recieve from us you know you can''t stop looking at ALL of the beautiful E-rings and wishing one was yours and you were one step closer to YOUR big day. If he isn''t doing the plannning and hasn''t asked you to start ..... maybe he isn''t ready yet.
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Deep down you know that rushing it isn''t going to do either one of you any good and you know he''s ready when he finally asks those magical words.
* His cousin just got married, which leaves us as the only unmarried/unengaged couple on one side of the family. And one of his best friends is getting married in a month.
The only thing that you can do is know that ONE DAY it will be your turn and it doesn''t matter if you are the last one on BOTH sides of the family as long as you have a HAPPY relationship together...
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* We had talked about getting married in October 2010, which is fast approaching with lots of complications.
When we talked about wedding things a few months ago we had picked a date for October 2010, which at the time seemed doable and it made me feel a lot better about everything. But now, that''s only 10 months away and we won''t even be moving to the area where we''d be getting married for another 2.5 months or more. We don''t want to pick a location we''ve never been to, so that cuts down the time. Everyone will have to travel to come to our wedding, so I''d really like to let people know to save a couple vacation days to come see us, but he doesn''t want anything mentioned to anyone until after he''s asked. I understand that, but I also know how people plan out vacation days way in advance.

You will drive yourself crazy if you try to rush the planning of your wedding, moving alone is enough stress to deal with. Are you sure that YOU BOTH agreed on a realistic date. I understand your concern with family/friends vacation days and can completely appreciate that, BUT your most important family and friends wouldn''t miss your special day even if they needed to switch/trade/move/etc. their vacation days.

It all just feels impossible. And I feel the same as I did yesterday, like I have to do everything and if I don''t think about it and plan it, it won''t get done. I feel the same way about him asking me. That he won''t plan anything out, that he''ll just keep thinking he can do it later. I think I''ve made it clear I''m not looking for anything fancy. That I don''t expect the ring when he asks (so he''s not waiting on that). He''s also said before that maybe we can tell people around the holidays about the wedding date, which to him was probably just thinking out loud or something but to me means ''we''ll be engaged then so we can tell people.''

you will know it''s time to tell EVERYONE when he pops the question.
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If I were in your shoes I definately wouldn''t be planning anything or feeling that I needed to "or it wouldn''t get done" when you are still waiting for that moment.. Even if you told him that he doesn''t need to worry about a ring to propose I''d bet that he wants it to be a magical moment for you and have a ring to put on your little finger... I understand the LIW''itis - believe me, I''m waiting for a proposal too and we''ve been together for 4 years so it''s not like we just met. I decided a long time ago that I/we were happy and that is the most important thing to me and if he wasn''t ready than the time simply wasn''t right yet...
I have just been feeling upset, frustrated and angry to the point that even if he did ask now, I don''t know what I''d say. And it brings up all those feelings/thoughts of, if he really wanted to marry me he would have already, etc. And of course when I act/feel like this I wonder if it''s a strike against me, like that''s why he''s not asking.

Patience darling, he LOVES YOU and chooses to be with you every day - isn''t that what really counts (if you guys are happy together?)
I know I''m acting a bit nutso, but I doubt I''m the only one who''s ever acted/thought like this.

You are definatly not the only one with Extreme LIW''itis and please don''t feel that I am criticizing the way that you feel. I just feel that you are being way to tough on yourself and are way to stressed out for your and your relationships own good.
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Remember, you and your BF are in Love with eachother whether you have a ring or have announced that you are next on your families "Getting Married List" the important thing is that you are happy together! You may want to take a moment to think about how important it is for you to have that piece of paper that changes your last name.. (really, it doesn''t change much more than that when you think about it) and if it''s really worth all the stress that it is currently causing... Remember, good things come in time and I''m sure when the BF is ready to move forward he will propose and request your help in the planning so everything is PERFECT FOR YOU..

Again, I''m sorry if I may have been a little harsh, but I don''t believe in sugar coating things that are important in life and you sound pretty stresssed about the NEED to be married or NEED to tell everyone.

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Goodluck and lots of Hugs to You
 
You can''t control it all, remember that. The only thing you CAN control is your attitude and your reaction to things. You can choose to be miserable, or you can choose to let go of your anger and resentment and let the cards fall where they may. Life isn''t any more difficult than you make it.
 
By "At his parents", do you mean you''re visiting or living with his parents?

Hang in there, Blue. The holidays can be very rough emotionally, and this stress you are under is not helping. The other ladies have given very sage advice. See how things are over the holidays, and if by January there has been no proposal or he hasn''t started talking to friends and family about the wedding by then, you''ll need to have a serious talk with him.
 
im sorry to hear about your frustrations UnderBlue!!
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and you're absolutely right, you are definitely not alone in feeling this way! it definitely seems like there are differences between you and your bf in terms of how you think about the future (planning versus going on a whim) .. i wonder if you've been able to talk about those issues to him???

also, it seems like 2 out of the 4 things you listed that are bothering you have nothing to do with your pending engagement... being at his parents house is a temporary thing and i think those self-esteem issues are something you need to work out internally.

the other 2 - well it certainly seems like he has every intention of wanting to marry you, which is great! can you think of any reasons why he hasn't proposed yet or feels like he can push it off? you have DEFINITELY been patient and if he said he'd propose by a certain time and hasn't, it's time to ask him what's going on. just an open, honest discussion to see where he stands.

i'm so sorry that feel all over the place with this whole thing, but just take a deep breath, step back, and take in the big picture - things aren't as bad as they seem!!! best of luck to you dear, hang tight!
 
Ok, UnderBlue. Deep breath and take it one thing at a time.

1. You are gorgeous and any guy would be lucky to have you (no, I don''t know you, but take it from me honey, you are!) Make a list of all the things you like about yourself and your life, however small. Nothing negative. Take some time to pamper yourself, have a long shower/bath and a good scrub, do your hair, give yourself a makeover, wear something that makes you feel gorgeous. Nothing else will go right if you don''t believe in yourself and how much you''re worth (and you''re worth A LOT).

2. No-one likes small talk. I hate being around strangers. I sympathise. I second the suggestion to take some "you time" with a good book to regain your sanity.

3. Think of all the good things about your relationship. You have a man who loves you and presumably you love back. There are a lot of single people at this time of year who would kill for that, engagement or not. Focus on what you love about him and what your relationship means to you.

4. When you''re feeling calmer and more rational
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, bring up the subject of marriage with your boyfriend, ideally as you''re unwinding over a glass of wine/chocolate and not stressed. I say "marriage" for a reason, rather than "engagement" or "wedding plans", because MARRIAGE is where the focus should be. You''re juggling too many practical logistics in your head and it sounds like that''s what is stressing you out.

In short, take time out for yourself, remember why you''re awesome, remember why your SO is awesome, and then start to jointly work towards a marriage. The rest is just... details.
 
Thanks for the support ladies. You definitely weren''t being harsh So Excited.

I think I just needed to get everything out of my head instead of leaving it to fester and make me feel even more grumpy/angry. Since I wrote that post I''ve been feeling a bit better and being more myself. It was one of those days where one little problem sets things off and was mainly about that (and the stress of travel and not having time alone) and less about marriage stuff (though the feelings are similar so I talked about it too).

The wanting to tell people was/is really just to give a heads up, it will be a fair financial burden for my siblings to get their families out to my wedding and I want them to have time to save up and look for deals, etc. When I think about telling people I''m engaged, I can''t imagine being anything but very awkward. I don''t usually share things with people. In my head I figure they''ll ask if they want to know, which I know makes no sense.

I''ll have to talk to him about the timeline stuff. I think sometimes men just don''t get that people have to plan ahead, even though wee talked about that stuff last time. Even the small, low-budget wedding we will have requires booking places and people and giving our families time to figure out how to get here. I know they''ll find a way, but I would want time to get to a wedding across the country rather than have it sprung on me a couple months before.

We''re just visiting for the holidays. I''ve got my Nintendo DS and have been playing that rather than reading, but I get the feeling they don''t find that socialable enough. I''m sure I come off cold and unfriendly becasue I don''t talk much (we''ve been here three times now), but I don''t know how else to act. There have been some comments already about other things that are probably meant as harmless but it''s like "really? I can''t do something as simple as that without being judged?"

Anyway, thanks ladies. I just need to not think about anything right now, there''s not much I can do anyway.
 
A little update:
We were talking today while sneaking some time away from everyone. Turns out he was thinking of proposing while we were site-seeing a couple days ago. If it wasn''t so hot, there weren''t so many flies or so many people I might be engaged right now. (Which shows how much we think alike becasue I thought that where we were might make a good setting. I didn''t know about the flies though. =p) He wants it to be something memorable and nice and while it was pretty where we were, we both felt bleh becasue of he weather etc.

So he *has* been thinking about it, and he did mean it when he said he wanted to be able to tell people over the holidays. But now he''s feeling sick and I''m feeling uncomfortable here, so it''s not a good time. He understands how October is soon and it takes time to plan and stuff, so October probably isn''t feasible.

Just have to wait and see, though now I feel like I need a few weeks just to get back to normal.
 
Glad you were able to have that conversation with your boyfriend. Seems as though he''s on the same page as you in terms of getting engaged very soon, and hopefully it won''t be long at all now. Best of luck, and happy holidays!
 
Glad to hear everything is working itself out... Thank you for the wonderful updates on your situation, how are YOU feeling since getting everything off of your mind and talking to the BF? You were in a unhealthy state of stressed and I hope that is relieved.
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