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NickSMU17

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RB

2.81
H
SI1
61.2% 55%
GIA tn-m vg vg mb

9.13x9.20x5.61

$28909*

I am trying to maximize size so I figured an H will be ok in a well cut round...

Does this seem cheap? I looked at GIA report from abazias and the inclusions on this stone seem to all be at 10:00 slightly inside the edge, on the diamond.

Also the stone was graded a medium blue flouresence... could this be the cause for a lower price.


I am still a beginner in this process and have seen some stones...I obvioulsy would rather have a G but for the size I am willing to go to an H.

Please let me know... what everybody thinks and if you trust buying over the internet.
 
We need more info - the crown and pavillion angles to help further. Is the grading report a recent GIA one which has graded the cut? You can use the search tool to compare prices above, also many of us have bought online and wouldn't consider any other way. It can take a leap of faith, but you can definitely get more for your money, plus much cut info to help you choose. An H in that size should still face up white enough for most people's eyes, especially with the fluorescence in my opinion, but it depends how important a G is for you, it seems you want size?
 
the gia report shown was from March 6, 2006. It grades the cut excellent, however I have heard that some of these are BS. whiteflash also lists the diamond and it gets a 4 out of 5 diamond rank on their proprietary rating system. I would attach the GIA report but it is difficult to make out.
 
I will check out for more info, back soon.
 
This is what abazias says about the cut...


With a depth of 61.2,table of 55 VG polish & symmetry, no culet & medium fluorescence, this will have a excellent cut with a GIA
 
Possibly, but we need those crown and pavillion angles as they are a deciding factor, without those we can't tell. The reason these are important, in very basic terms, is that they can help us judge how well a diamond handles light which enters it and back to the viewer's eye as that loose term " sparkle"! This might not be an in house diamond as 2 or more vendors list it, you would have to get a vendor to call it in if you wanted to pursue it, which there might be a fee for, but try to get those numbers and any other info on it first. Also GIA rounds up the crown and pavillon angles, they give an idea of the cut quality of the diamond, you could see if the vendor can run a Sarin Report on the diamond, which should be easy enough if he has the diamond and the equipment, that will give another reading of the proportions.
 
Is the medium blue flourensece a concern with an h color diamond??
 
Sorry forgot about that! No not at all a concern in my opinion and you will find many others agree with that. It is said to help a diamond face up whiter in about the H to K grades so it can be an advantage. Rarely strong blue can make a diamond look oily or cloudy in some lights but this is very rare. If it was for me this diamond, a big H with med fluorescence, I would be jumping up and down shouting " GOODY!" as I happen to think it is a great thing. Just check with the vendor that it doesn't have any negs which it shouldn't in med, then that is fine. You may not notice the fluorescence anyway, some do and love it, to me it adds interest to a diamond.
 
Update

Report Type: GIA Diamond Grading Report

Date of Issue: March 08, 2006


Round Brilliant


Measurements: 9.13 - 9.20 x 5.61 mm


Carat Weight: 2.81


Color Grade: H


Clarity Grade: SI1


Cut Grade: Excellent


Proportions:


Depth: 61.2 %


Table: 55 %


Crown Angle: 31.5°


Crown Height: 13.5 %


Pavilion Angle: 41.6°


Pavilion Depth: 44.5 %


Star length: 55 %


Lower Half: 80 %


Girdle: Thin to Medium, Faceted


Culet: None


Finish:


Polish: Very Good


Symmetry: Very Good


Fluorescence: Medium Blue



 
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Personally I think you can do better - thanks for the info. It also scored a 2.9 ( worth buying if the price is right) on the Holloway Cut Advisor, although this is not a conclusive yay or nay scorer as to a diamond's cut and performance, it certainly helps. As you are spending almost $30k, I would suggest you keep looking. You could if you wish see if the vendor can send you some pics and if he has an Idealscope Image which might help, as this still might be an attractive diamond, but the bottom line is, this might be what is called a nice make or cut which looks good and performs, but it isn't a Superideal Cut which is the best cut you can get. Your call I think, if you want the nice make, this might fit the bill, but I would pass personally. You have a nice budget, take your time. I can't quite remember at what point of a similar measurement a crown angle could be a durability issue being shallow, it should be ok with the med girdle, but do check if you want this stone.
 
I agree with my friend Lorelei, when spending this much, let''s get the best we can. This is a limited size, not a huge amount to choose from. I found this one, which so far sounds very promising, but you need to get the grading report.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=979296

This is a great company to work with from what I''ve heard.
 
Thansk for the help. I am trying to keep the price under 30K. Esp. B/c I want to put it in a platinum pave setting. Another couple grand.

Any other suggestions would be great.
 
Date: 11/15/2006 10:22:30 AM
Author: NickSMU17
Thansk for the help. I am trying to keep the price under 30K. Esp. B/c I want to put it in a platinum pave setting. Another couple grand.

Any other suggestions would be great.
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Oh, ok. Well, again, pickins are slim. Trying to get a big, well cut diamond, costs. So, you''ll probably have to go down a bit in size. I found this one, and honestly, I think any girl would love to get a diamond this size, nothing to sneeze at! Again, you''d need to request a grading report first, and go from there if it looks good.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=967724
 
did you try searching using the ''pricescope your diamond'' and search by cut quality? don''t confine your search parameters too much and make sure you look at the spread (dimensions) and not just the carat weight.
 
I have searched on pricescope, but I do not understand the finer points of the cut. The place I shopped at was on jewelers row in chicago and they do everything in house so we didnt get into cut specifics.
 
Date: 11/15/2006 10:41:14 AM
Author: NickSMU17
I have searched on pricescope, but I do not understand the finer points of the cut. The place I shopped at was on jewelers row in chicago and they do everything in house so we didnt get into cut specifics.
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that is why i suggested the 'search by cut quality' if you use this search, the options already have the cut adviser score listed (you want to find stones that score under 2.0)
it's really helpful in finding quality diamonds easily.

did you play at smu?
 
I tried this search on here and found 0 results, not sure if i am doing soemthing wrong....


No I didnt play at SMU, just attended.
 
Date: 11/15/2006 10:52:30 AM
Author: NickSMU17
I tried this search on here and found 0 results, not sure if i am doing soemthing wrong....


No I didnt play at SMU, just attended.
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after you put in your initial criteria, you will need to expand the results since the first search is only for one color/clarity grade and not a range.
i would try 2.00-3.00ct g-j color vs1-si2 clarity. that should give you a good selection. you can refilter and narrow if that brings up too many choices but i would try a wide range first.
 
What criteria did you enter? Did you look at Miss Ellen''s suggestions too? Belle is right that the search by cut feature is the easiest way to pull up contenders.
 
where is the link for this??? There are so many search features I am prob doing the wrong one
 
Go to prices at the top, hold cursor over it and you will see search by cut

Ellen that diamond is SUPERB!!!!

Here you go, Search By Cut
 
Size is very important to her, I feel like getting a 2 ct stone and spending 30 grand is not worth it
 
Has anyone ever been to dallas market to buy a diamond? Would that be considered dealing with a wholesaler....?
 
Date: 11/15/2006 11:10:17 AM
Author: NickSMU17
Size is very important to her, I feel like getting a 2 ct stone and spending 30 grand is not worth it
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Nick, I''m not sure what you''re saying here, can you elaborate?
 
Pickings are slim right now in the larger carat sizes. Some people have been looking for months for their diamond, it can be a lengthy process I am afraid, but certainly not impossible. Keep your colour and clarity specs as varied as you can which will help.
 
I really appreciate the help...I have about a month till I buy so....I have a little time.
 
best of luck nick, i hope you find something that will make her happy.
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Date: 11/15/2006 11:13:59 AM
Author: NickSMU17
I really appreciate the help...I have about a month till I buy so....I have a little time.
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If you are saying she wants a big stone, but you don''t want to pay the price, then I understand. But to get a big stone for cheap? will get you something I don''t "think" she''ll be proud of. Cut, is key. It''s what makes a diamond dazzling, eye catching, hypnotic. But you have to pay for it.

I would tend to think your girlfriend would rather have a "dazzling" diamond, over a large, dull stone. Why don''t you consider going with around 1.5 cts. with a company that has a good upgrade policy?

Just a thought, and good luck!
 
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