Heart and Arrow Diamond

[Pongal713]

Hello I would like to ask if this is an ideal heart and arrows cut. I chatted with a Dreamstone and Rarecarat gemologist, both of whom indicate that it is likely a heart and arrows diamond.

GRADING RESULTS​

Shape	Round Brilliant
Measurements	6.86 - 6.89 x 4.23 mm
Carat Weight	1.20 carat
Color Grade	D
Clarity Grade	IF
Cut Grade	Excellent

PROPORTIONS​

Depth	61.5%
Table	56%
Crown Angle	35.0°
Crown Height	15.5%
Pavilion Angle	40.8°
Pavilion Depth	43.0%
Star Length	60%
Lower Half	80%
Girdle	Thin to Medium, Faceted, 3.0%
Culet	None

FINISH​

Polish	Excellent
Symmetry	Excellent

FLUORESCENCE​

Fluorescence

Medium Blue

 

[musicloveranthony]

Looks like it that's a great ASET, but I'm not sure what that other image is

 

[Pongal713]

Looks like it that's a great ASET, but I'm not sure what that other image is

Rarecarat told me is the ideal images sent by manufacturer. The only thing off about the proportion when compared to H&A is the star length which is 60% (40-50% is usually optimum).

 

[musicloveranthony]

Rarecarat told me is the ideal images sent by manufacturer. The only thing off about the proportion when compared to H&A is the star length which is 60% (40-50% is usually optimum).

I'd have no hesitation buying a stone with that ASET. Parameters are good starting points, but the eyes are the best decision makers

 

[DejaWiz]

There are some cut precision concerns with the pavilion facets...for being a "perfect" D IF, I wouldn't settle for anything short of also getting perfect cut precision and optics. Unfortunately, this isn't one of them, in my opinion.
Is D color and IF clarity must-haves? They will drive the price up quite substantially.

 

[Kim N]

I could be wrong, but I don't think that ASET belongs to this stone.

 

[DejaWiz]

I could be wrong, but I don't think that ASET belongs to this stone.

It does...60% stars are easily identified.
I think the bottom ASET showing the digging, pavilion twist, and leakages is the tell-all.

 

[lovedogs]

Wow. I can't believe the aset is from that stone. I'm floored. The aset is so nice, but I really dislike the IRL pic.

Deja: it must be rare for a good looking aset like that to belong to a stone w such obvious issues, right?

 

[Kim N]

It does...60% stars are easily identified.
I think the bottom ASET showing the digging, pavilion twist, and leakages is the tell-all.

I think the bottom ASET belongs to the stone but not the top ASET. The bottom ASET and the stone image show the same higher amount of crown painting than the top ASET. The top ASET also appears to have wider arrows.

 

[DejaWiz]

I think what we're seeing here is low light vs strong light ASET results. Backlighting intensity differences.

 

[Kim N]

Tagging Karl_K to join the discussion

 

[0-0-0]

I don’t think the ASET images are from the same diamond.

 

[lovedogs]

Lol I'm starting to question my sanity, because I can't figure out how the top aset and this stone can be the same.

 

[Kim N]

I think the photography style of the top ASET is eerily similar to Whiteflash's prior ASET images.

ASET - Table Reflection | Whiteflash

The table reflection in an ASET image of a round ideal diamond can be red or green or a combination of both colors. See how the pavilion angle determines the color in this short article.

www.whiteflash.com

Texas Leaguer, do you think the top ASET image might have been stolen from WF?

 

[Karl_K]

DC created images likely from scan data of 2 different diamonds from the same cutter.
The ASET black is showing some near 60% stars but the majority are under 55%
The ASET white matches the picture of the stone with mostly 60% stars.
60% stars and 35 degree crown angles don't go together, it produces a problematic upper girdle/halves angle unless the table was under 50%.
They will look green in ASET and dark in pictures.
Dark in person and harms tilt scintillation near the edges.
In extreme cases can make the diamonds face up size appearance to be compromised in some lighting.

 

[Kim N]

DC created images likely from scan data of 2 different diamonds from the same cutter.
The ASET black is showing some near 60% stars but the majority are under 55%
The ASET white matches the picture of the stone with mostly 60% stars.
60% stars and 35 degree crown angles don't go together, it produces a problematic upper girdle/halves angle unless the table was under 50%.
They will look green in ASET and dark in pictures.
Dark in person and harms tilt scintillation near the edges.
In extreme cases can make the diamonds face up size appearance to be compromised in some lighting.

Thanks for joining in, Karl. Are you saying these are both computer-generated images? The top ASET looks like an actual image (from WF's archives, to my eyes).

 

[Karl_K]

Bad upper girdle angles is actually what causes the one stone to appear small in Garry's cut demo set.

 

[Karl_K]

Thanks for joining in, Karl. Are you saying these are both computer-generated images? The top ASET looks like an actual image (from WF's archives, to my eyes).

Yes, as are the images used in that article.
Take a look at the image of an ACA to see the difference.

 

[Kim N]

Yes, as are the images used in that article.
Take a look at the image of an ACA to see the difference.

Ah, gotcha! I saw inclusions in the left image in the article and thought that meant they were actual.

 

[Pongal713]

There are some cut precision concerns with the pavilion facets...for being a "perfect" D IF, I wouldn't settle for anything short of also getting perfect cut precision and optics. Unfortunately, this isn't one of them, in my opinion.
Is D color and IF clarity must-haves? They will drive the price up quite substantially.

Can you please look through these if there are any ideal hearts and arrows. If not I may just get a branded H&A. If you need the GIA i can send them to you. Many thanks.

 

[Kim N]

Can you please look through these if there are any ideal hearts and arrows. If not I may just get a branded H&A. If you need the GIA i can send them to you. Many thanks.

We can't comment on the H&A without the hearts images.

What is your budget? We can help you search.

 

[lovedogs]

Can you please look through these if there are any ideal hearts and arrows. If not I may just get a branded H&A. If you need the GIA i can send them to you. Many thanks.

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Can you please look through these if there are any ideal hearts and arrows. If not I may just get a branded H&A. If you need the GIA i can send them to you. Many thanks.

I don't think any of these are true ideal cut stones, TBH.

 

[DejaWiz]

Can you please look through these if there are any ideal hearts and arrows. If not I may just get a branded H&A. If you need the GIA i can send them to you. Many thanks.

Unfortunately, none of them would be what I'd categorize as ideal with Hearts and Arrows.
Relax the clarity to VS1 to get just as clean to the eyes as any VVS or FL/IF.
See anything that you like?

Loose Cut Diamonds for Sale: Discover Exceptional Quality

Explore our GIA certified loose diamonds, including Hearts & Arrows (H&A) and super ideal cuts. Buy diamonds that offer brilliance, style, and fit your budget.

www.whiteflash.com

Also check with Victor Canera, Brian Gavin, Continental Diamond, Distinctive Gem, JannPaul, and the other reputable ideal cut diamond sellers.

 

[0-0-0]

Non branded H&A are pretty hard to find, especially when combined with high color and clarity.

 

[Pongal713]

Unfortunately, none of them would be what I'd categorize as ideal with Hearts and Arrows.
Relax the clarity to VS1 to get just as clean to the eyes as any VVS or FL/IF.
See anything that you like?

Loose Cut Diamonds for Sale: Discover Exceptional Quality

Explore our GIA certified loose diamonds, including Hearts & Arrows (H&A) and super ideal cuts. Buy diamonds that offer brilliance, style, and fit your budget.

www.whiteflash.com

Also check with Victor Canera, Brian Gavin, Continental Diamond, Distinctive Gem, JannPaul, and the other reputable ideal cut diamond sellers.

Here are some diamonds that I picked out from BGD and Whiteflash (I live in the same city from both places and I will be able to check them out). I am trying to budget is 10k (1-1.2 ct). I am ok with strong fluorescence.

BGD

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...-gavin-signature-round?variant=40682649452605

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...nd-bkcags-104114711005?variant=40215393697853

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/collections/diamonds/products/1-f-vvs1-brian-gavin-blue-round

https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...ducts/1-01-d-vvs2-brian-gavin-signature-round



Whiteflash

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.13-carat-f-color-vs1-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4355239

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.016-carat-e-color-vs2-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4521941


https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.14-carat-e-color-vs2-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4558479

 

[0-0-0]

Here are some diamonds that I picked out from BGD and Whiteflash (I live in the same city from both places and I will be able to check them out). I am trying to budget is 10k (1-1.2 ct). I am ok with strong fluorescence.

In that case just go visit both vendors with an open mind and see what you like better in person when you compare them side by side. You may be surprised by what you can/cannot see in person and may even consider trading color and clarity for size.

 

[DejaWiz]

0-0-0 that's the soundest advice!

 

[Pongal713]

I Finally received my heart and arrows diamond from Brian Gavin. It has so much fire and sparkle in person but hard to capture it on camera.

 

[Kim N]

I Finally received my heart and arrows diamond from Brian Gavin. It has so much fire and sparkle in person but hard to capture it on camera.

It looks beautiful on you!

 

[MissGotRocks]

It does look beautiful! Can you tell us which diamond you ended up going with for the pendant?