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VKF1234

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Help picking!

I'm between 3 stones: 2 on WF and 1 on JA. The JA stone is being held, so unable to put the hyperlink here; however, stats below and grading 1.9 on HCA [no ASET/Ideal scope images available - UGH!]

Q 1: is the better color worth losing the ct weight on the below?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...olor-vs1-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4462541

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...-vs2-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-e4596085

Q2: After scouring the internet, I stumbled upon this JA stone rating 1.9 on HCA. Understandably, the cut isn't ideal, and I know this, however, for the size / color / HCA score - is this a better value? The video won't load, I'll try to circle back w/ a link.

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VKF1234 said:
Help picking!

I'm between 3 stones: 2 on WF and 1 on JA. The JA stone is being held, so unable to put the hyperlink here; however, stats below and grading 1.9 on HCA [no ASET/Ideal scope images available - UGH!]

Q 1: is the better color worth losing the ct weight on the below?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...olor-vs1-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4462541

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...-vs2-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-e4596085

Q2: After scouring the internet, I stumbled upon this JA stone rating 1.9 on HCA. Understandably, the cut isn't ideal, and I know this, however, for the size / color / HCA score - is this a better value? The video won't load, I'll try to circle back w/ a link.

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The HCA is only a rejection tool--you cannot compare one score to another to determine which is better. Is the stone to be used in a ring? I ask because you can get away looser cut parameters if it would be used in earrings or a necklace. However, I would not choose this particular JA stone for any project.
I think the picture is not straight-on (maybe we can check when you are able to post a link), but the arrows don't match up at all and the pattern looks chaotic. I know you are aware that it's not the best cut, but I would recommend not sacrificing cut precision to this degree.
I would choose a Whiteflash ACA over anything else for an engagement ring. The ACAs are truly stunning in every lighting environment. In terms of which color is "better," it really depends on your sensitivity and tolerance (or that of the person who will be wearing the piece). I have ACA earrings that are J, as well as a ring made of G ACAs. I do see the color difference, and I chose the Gs for a ring because I did not want to see the tint on my finger. However, some people don't mind the tint.
 
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To answer RE: ring - yes, it's for a 6 prong white gold size 5.5 solitaire engagement ring.

The video of the JA stone is not loading here, however, the cut grade = GIA excellent.

That said - which stone is the best value for size and cut? The J doesn't (in that video anyway) appear too terribly yellow and it cut is impeccable.

It's so difficult choosing on the internet!

Leaving it to the professionals here to guide on best cut < > ct weight < > value.
 
OH NOOOO - the JA stone is a lab grown stone!!!! I've been stalking so many, clearly, that fell through the cracks,

**REMOVE THE JA FROM THE RUNNING***

ASK: drop your reccos in the thread, mined round - $7500 max.
 
VKF1234 said:
OH NOOOO - the JA stone is a lab grown stone!!!! I've been stalking so many, clearly, that fell through the cracks,

**REMOVE THE JA FROM THE RUNNING***

ASK: drop your reccos in the thread, mined round - $7500 max.
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Actually that's a JA website glitch! If you click on the cert, the JA one is a natural diamond. If it was a lab, it would listed for hundreds of dollars, not thousands.

ETA: did you put that one on hold? It shows as unavailable.
 
lulu_ma said:
Actually that's a JA website glitch! If you click on the cert, the JA one is a natural diamond. If it was a lab, it would listed for hundreds of dollars, not thousands.

ETA: did you put that one on hold? It shows as unavailable.
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SHEWEEEE - I know I've been staring at stones for the post 2 days, however, that would have been a MASSIVE oversight on my part.

Would you still lean in on this one? For the color < > ct. weight, it would be almost crazy not to.

Thoughts?
 
the James Allen isn't a lab - its a natural (a synthetic would never have have Twining Wisps and SB FL)

JA is probably the best "value" - it's closer to curent market rates for it's type.... only caveat is you would want to take it outside for a test drive in Sunlight / UV to see if you don't like how it looks when the SB FL activates,,,,
 
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The two Whiteflash diamonds would definitely be the best in terms of cut. Value is something that you would need to define based on your preferences. You have to decide what is most important to you - size, color or cut quality. While I understand everyone has a budget, you have to decide which attribute is most important to you. From there, you can prioritize which diamond best represents the diamond you would be most happy purchasing.
 
That JA doesnt compare to the WF stones. I know you dont need perfect but ugh.

I would also take a look at this. Ask WF for pictures of the I and J side-by-side. "I" is usually the lowest color where
most* (YMMV and excluding very color sensitive people) people dont see tint.

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.28 ct I VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4678034

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.28 carat I color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4678034
www.whiteflash.com
 
VKF1234 said:
Help picking!

I'm between 3 stones: 2 on WF and 1 on JA. The JA stone is being held, so unable to put the hyperlink here; however, stats below and grading 1.9 on HCA [no ASET/Ideal scope images available - UGH!]

Q 1: is the better color worth losing the ct weight on the below?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...olor-vs1-clarity-round-ideal-cut-sku-a4462541

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-di...-vs2-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-e4596085

Q2: After scouring the internet, I stumbled upon this JA stone rating 1.9 on HCA. Understandably, the cut isn't ideal, and I know this, however, for the size / color / HCA score - is this a better value? The video won't load, I'll try to circle back w/ a link.

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I’m really not a fan of that JA stone at all. I would stick with WF if you can and go for as big of an ACA as fits in your budget.
 
jjca said:
I’m really not a fan of that JA stone at all. I would stick with WF if you can and go for as big of an ACA as fits in your budget.
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ACA even into the less favorable color ranges?

Agreed RE: JA, that's been 86'd
 
VKF1234 said:
ACA even into the less favorable color ranges?

Agreed RE: JA, that's been 86'd
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It really depends on whether you (or the wearer) are color-sensitive. Have you viewed many diamonds in person, and (1) can you tell the difference between F and J, and (2) does the difference bother you? (Remember that the stone, once mounted, will not be next to stones of other colors, so it really depends on if the color is noticeable AND bothers you on its own, not when placed next to a higher color stone). The ACAs really are cut to a much better standard than the typical GIA XXX. A lot of people here would go down in color if it meant getting an ACA. But, if you can see color and it bothers you, it would not be a good trade-off.
Second question; have you viewed diamonds in these sizes in person on the wearer's hand? You may be ok with a smaller size once you see it in person. Most people here would prioritize light performance over somewhat small differences in size. I think there is a visual difference between 1.14 and 1.46, but you could split the difference, as others have suggested. I think you could easily go to a G-H and still not see tint.
 
VKF1234 said:
ACA even into the less favorable color ranges?

Agreed RE: JA, that's been 86'd
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Color is personal preference - some PSers prefer IJ for their warmth - others can notice a difference in color and want D-F. I have 2 G (super ideals) next to an E and can’t see a difference. If there are no side stones, most people won’t notice a GH as being “not colorless.” You could go to a local jeweler and see what your eyes like?
 
When I purchased my stone in March, the prices of Brian Gavin Black were lower than WF - so maybe look there. All 3 of mine are BGD Black and they are insanely sparkly, fiery, and brilliant.
 
jjca said:
Color is personal preference - some PSers prefer IJ for their warmth - others can notice a difference in color and want D-F. I have 2 G (super ideals) next to an E and can’t see a difference. If there are no side stones, most people won’t notice a GH as being “not colorless.” You could go to a local jeweler and see what your eyes like?
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Same here; I cannot tell the difference between an E and a G. I can start to see it with an I-J.
 
ACA

I would stick with WF ACA’s for a modern round. I am personally color sensitive and for modern rounds I/J is my max, if it’s for a ring and it’s going in a solitaire setting, I would definitely go with an I/J to get the size. WF ACA SI1’s are all eye clean, so I would expand my search to include Si1’s.

All that being said, the nice thing with WF ACA’s if down the road you want to upgrade, you can.

Keep us posted and let us know what you decide!
 
lulu_ma said:
Why don't you ask Whiteflash to do a side by side comparison on the J you posted, the I color TYTY posted and maybe this J which seems well priced for the clarity:

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.411 ct J VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4555931

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.411 carat J color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4555931
www.whiteflash.com
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yes big price drop for this one...
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WF is sending a s/s comparison of the two stones tomorrow; however, this is STUNNING and will hands down win over the J originally posted especially with the data (thank you for sharing!)

QQ: what site did you get the $ history from? I'm a geek for #'s; hence my floundering with placing a value in appearance alone. Likes / dislikes change over time, numbers never lie.
 
VKF1234 said:
WF is sending a s/s comparison of the two stones tomorrow; however, this is STUNNING and will hands down win over the J originally posted especially with the data (thank you for sharing!)

QQ: what site did you get the $ history from? I'm a geek for #'s; hence my floundering with placing a value in appearance alone. Likes / dislikes change over time, numbers never lie.
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you plug the GIA/IGI/AGS report number into stonealgo... scroll down to price
www.stonealgo.com

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Does the wearer have preferences for color/clarity/size?
 
Im color sensitive, so the 1.13F/VS2 would be my choice.
 
Can we see close ups of the I next to the J color?
 
If you have any other pics @VFK1234, please post them.
 
@VFK1234...the picture(s) you posted clearly demonstrate that it's hard to tell the color differences of Super Ideals (ACAs) face up
from a distance. Only because you've told us what the colors are (and people know their preferences) can people decide
based on their needs. YOU need more up-close pics that show the color differences so that you can make an educated decision.
The photos you posted are good at showing the size difference and I think we would all take the Big one if they were all the same color, but they are not. If they sent you any other pics, please post them. If not, you need to ask for up-close side-by-side in the tray pictures.

Good luck...post pics when you get them!
 
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