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So I took the above diamond to a jeweler to have a look. She said that GIA would have given this stone an SI1 rating due to the crystal in the middle etc.. BTW she is probably biased to GIA becasue that is where she was trained. She said AGS is soft.... Anyways, she is also the appraisor at the jeweler and she was not all that impressed. Now I took a GIA stone to her last week and she loved it. She said the whiteflash stones facets do not even line up......The GIA stone had very similar proportions too but for 22000 as compared to the WF stone for 29000.

I just want some feedback from the experience. I am kinda annoyed now :)
 
I see GIA reports with crystals in he middle table on VS1 and VS2 stones. This lady just hates AGS I think. I would not have told her but I wanted her to confirm that this was the stone on the cert..... She kept saying that I bet this stone got an SI1 on a GIA report and so the company sent it to AGS for lower grading. She even asked if it was a recut stone lol..... She said GIA certs always grade higher....
 
which stone did you like better?
 
You need to see an INDEPENDANT APPRAISER! Not someone who works for the jewellery store. AGS on par with GIA as the strictest labs in the world.

And seriously! She doesn''t like an ACA!! What is wrong with the woman. I highly doubt that Brian is going to give the stone the tick of approval if the facets didn''t line up. I guess you have to ask yourself if you really have confidence in this woman and if you believe she has more experience than Brian?
 
I think she is full of it a little. Becasue I mentioned the Sarin and Ideal Scope stuff and she kinda got quiet and tried to take back some comments. She still insisted that GIA would have graded the stone SI1 and in passive way was trying to say I paid way too much....
 
I like the one you just posted from blue nile, it has potential. I think that lady is just full of crock....i wouldn''t pay attention to what she had to say, she sounds like she is just trying to make a sale, the WF stone is nice, i think GIA and AGS are both great but AGS is just a little bit better than GIA. The only negative i could see in the WF stone would be the price so......have you seen these?

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4884/

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1466929.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/5069/

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-906695.htm

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1186683.asp

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1136783.asp
 
If the stone I had was GIA graded she would have loved it. She does not like AGS and clumps it in with EGL and other less strict companies... Thanks for all the help everyone!
 
Yeah, appraisers who aren''t independant are worth nada generally speaking, most especially if they''re a. trying to sell you something or b. if they are not charging you. If you need an appraisal, beyond whiteflash''s documentation, take it to a genuinely independant appraiser.

Frankly I''d run far, far away. First saying that AGS is a soft lab is clearly BS, and then saying that an ACA is not cut well... she''s definitely not helping you out there! Just pay the $100 or whatever for a real appraisal if you need one.
 
Date: 11/26/2008 9:43:21 PM
Author: LittleGreyKitten
Yeah, appraisers who aren''t independant are worth nada generally speaking, most especially if they''re a. trying to sell you something or b. if they are not charging you. If you need an appraisal, beyond whiteflash''s documentation, take it to a genuinely independant appraiser.


Frankly I''d run far, far away. First saying that AGS is a soft lab is clearly BS, and then saying that an ACA is not cut well... she''s definitely not helping you out there! Just pay the $100 or whatever for a real appraisal if you need one.
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Well said. This woman clearly had other intentions or not enough knowledge to know when she sees a good stone.
 
i have contacted an apraisor who is on this forum alot but want to keep he/she anoynomous to ensure unbiased eval. the WF diamond does alot better in low lighting. It sparkles even in the darkest rooms which I like:) I can't beleive it collecs light this well. I guess this is what ACA diamonds are known for...

As for direct sunlight there is not much difference between ideal, excellents and cut aboves they all go crazy :)

Thank you to everyone for the comments
 
Date: 11/26/2008 10:01:22 PM
Author: beach
i have contacted an apraisor who is on this forum alot but want to keep he/she anoynomous to ensure unbiased eval. the WF diamond does alot better in low lighting. It sparkles even in the darkest rooms which I like:) I can''t beleive it collecs light this well. I guess this is what ACA diamonds are known for...


As for direct sunlight there is not much difference between ideal, excellents and cut aboves they all go crazy :)


Thank you to everyone for the comments
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That''s a very smart idea. I am sure you''ll get an honest appraisal from them. Make sure you talk about expectations ahead of time (i.e., if you need images, whether your appraisal is for insurance, etc.)
 
I can actually see inclusions just on the outer edge of the table and especially if it is tilted. Maybe there is some truth to this stone not being an VS2. Maybe I have eagle eyes... If I have to return it I need to find a stone quickly that falls in the 8.3mm range because I have a ring that will be finished next week!
 
Firstly, grading is subjective, it''s done my humans, not computers, so they can always be discrepanices, however, it should only be in borderline cases, ie where the stone is hard to judge and could be hovering between the two grades I guess.

Secondly, depending on the nature and position of the inclusions, you may, in a small percentage of cases, be able to detect an inclusion in a properly graded VS2. They are rare, but they do occur. Just because you can see it doesn''t mean it was graded incorrectly.

If you love the stone and are happy with the inclusion being eyeclean to your standards, I wouldn''t worry too much. Just enjoy the gorgeous diamond!!!
 
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