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Help! Need help deciding between 2 diamonds

noscrusir

noscrusir

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Helping my cousin narrowing his choices between the two below. Appreciate any input on which one is better!

Diamond 1: - Video & GIA Certificate: https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/19430998

Diamond 2: - Video: https://v3603648.v360.in/vision360.html?d=B-5057A -
GIA Certificate: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1468905057&locale=en_US

Diamond 1 is I-VS1, GIA XXX, with faint fluorescence. Diamond 2 is I-SI1 with very strong flour. The seller on diamond 2 says that it's indicated as not milky on Rapnet report. He pulled up the report for diamond 1 as well and says that "As expect it's milky. Also has mix tinge, primarily brown. Decent discount. But not worth the price. They gave it a luster of 80% which this supplier gives percentages. I'd say their 80% is like a 'Very Good'." I'm not sure I believe him since, as a normal buyer, I can't access the Rapnet report and he could be just making it up (although he provided a screen shot of it, which could always be altered).

Any help is appreciated, thank you!
 
Hello, noscrusir!
Definitely the first one.
The second one gives me concerns with the VSBF and graining, which may not be a great combination.
 
The seller of the second diamond disparages the first diamond without any concrete proof of what he is saying. That would be a big red flag to me since he is trying to sell you his diamond.

Agree with @DejaWiz, I would choose the first one
 
MissGotRocks said:
The seller of the second diamond disparages the first diamond without any concrete proof of what he is saying. That would be a big red flag to me since he is trying to sell you his diamond.

Agree with @DejaWiz, I would choose the first one
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Yeah he seems super shady and is just a guy that claims to be able to sell diamonds at "wholesale price." I sent him another I-VS1, faint flour stone option, with video/GIA, and he's again claiming that Rapnet comments show "shade - mixed tinge light, milky - light."

How are you claiming a diamond is milky at VS1 and faint flour?? I'm getting strong indications that he's out for his own interests. Just gathering independent analysis to back it up.
 
I prefer the first one as well.
 
noscrusir said:
Yeah he seems super shady and is just a guy that claims to be able to sell diamonds at "wholesale price." I sent him another I-VS1, faint flour stone option, with video/GIA, and he's again claiming that Rapnet comments show "shade - mixed tinge light, milky - light."

How are you claiming a diamond is milky at VS1 and faint flour?? I'm getting strong indications that he's out for his own interests. Just gathering independent analysis to back it up.
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That is an old trick as old as time. Any reputable jeweler would be able to provide evidence or explanation for their claims. He is just trying to sell you his diamond which happens to be inferior to the first one posted. Run…don’t walk!
 
MissGotRocks said:
That is an old trick as old as time. Any reputable jeweler would be able to provide evidence or explanation for their claims. He is just trying to sell you his diamond which happens to be inferior to the first one posted. Run…don’t walk!
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Thank you! His claims appear to be based on purported Rapnet report comments from the supplier, which conveniently only he has access to. I'm don't even think I trust the "screenshots" that he provided of such report, since he could've doctored them & no way for the average consumer to verify. He's making it seem as if there's a special language between wholesale supplier & dealers, which should trump visual analysis, or GIA specifications. I'm trying my best to tell my cousin to walk away from this scam artist but he feels like he's getting a deal since the guy is offering to not charge him sales tax.
 
noscrusir said:
Thank you! His claims appear to be based on purported Rapnet report comments from the supplier, which conveniently only he has access to. I'm don't even think I trust the "screenshots" that he provided of such report, since he could've doctored them & no way for the average consumer to verify. He's making it seem as if there's a special language between wholesale supplier & dealers, which should trump visual analysis, or GIA specifications. I'm trying my best to tell my cousin to walk away from this scam artist but he feels like he's getting a deal since the guy is offering to not charge him sales tax.
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It is against the law not to charge sales tax. He will charge it by having offered it at an increased price. Sorry - his tactics seem sleazy so why wouldn’t his diamond be less than what he claims? Reputable dealers don’t operate this way. Does he have a return policy? A trade in policy? Any of it in writing? What price is he quoting? The diamond is too deep at 62.7, and the girdle is a bit thick which means it will face up smaller than a diamond of the same weight that has better cut.

You have tried to help him by coming here for some validation. If he won’t listen, that is on him.
 
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Not an expert by any means, but just based on what I'm seeing, I definitely prefer the first one!
 
The first one is much better. The seller of the 2nd stone sounds shady. I would absolutely avoid that seller at all costs. Blue Nile is reputable, and has a good return policy If the recipient isn't happy with it
 
Also anyone offering to break tax laws should be avoided period.
 
MissGotRocks said:
It is against the law not to charge sales tax. He will charge it by having offered it at an increased price. Sorry - his tactics seem sleazy so why wouldn’t his diamond be less than what he claims? Reputable dealers don’t operate this way. Does he have a return policy? A trade in policy? Any of it in writing? What price is he quoting? The diamond is too deep at 62.7, and the girdle is a bit thick which means it will face up smaller than a diamond of the same weight that has better cut.

You have tried to help him by coming here for some validation. If he won’t listen, that is on him.
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The 2 are the same price, with the BN stone being slightly less after the wire discount & promos (>$7500) but there would obviously be sales tax since he can't ship to a state without one. Diamond 2's seller claims to sell it to him wholesale "at cost" but as you mentioned, I'm sure he figured in sales tax & any profit margins into his quoted price. To me, there's no way SMALLER, I-SI1 with very strong flour should be quoted at the same price. Sounds like he's trying to unload some inferior in-house options at inflated prices, similar to brick and mortar. But hey, he's so-and-so's good friend, and a "in the industry" who will hook it up at cost. This guy has no store from what I can tell, just sells direct to people firsthand.
 
noscrusir said:
The 2 are the same price, with the BN stone being slightly less after the wire discount & promos (>$7500) but there would obviously be sales tax since he can't ship to a state without one. Diamond 2's seller claims to sell it to him wholesale "at cost" but as you mentioned, I'm sure he figured in sales tax & any profit margins into his quoted price. To me, there's no way SMALLER, I-SI1 with very strong flour should be quoted at the same price. Sounds like he's trying to unload some inferior in-house options at inflated prices, similar to brick and mortar. But hey, he's so-and-so's good friend, and a "in the industry" who will hook it up at cost. This guy has no store from what I can tell, just sells direct to people firsthand.
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They would not be the same price. I hope your cousin reconsiders his choices.
Here is a 1.54 at Blue Nile. I color, SI1 clarity with no fluorescence which would sell for more than one with strong blue fluorescence. It is priced at $6900. His contact wants to sell a 1.50 to him for $7700. No way would I even consider it.
www.bluenile.com

1.54 Carat I-SI1 Excellent Cut Round Diamond

This 1.54 carat round diamond I color si1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA
www.bluenile.com www.bluenile.com
 
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Run, do not walk, from the seller of the diamond 2. Everything about what they are telling you is shady. "As expect it's milky“ is far more likely in diamond 2 vs diamond 1 based on the characteristics. I believe Blue Nile has a good return policy. Order Diamond 1 and decide for yourself after viewing it under everyday lighting. Even better, see if the seller of diamond 2 will bring in the stone at no cost to you so you can compare the two (again, in normal everyday lighting, not jewelry store lighting).
 
Quick update - I was able to show him this thread and despite clear evidence that he was being scammed, he was going to purchase diamond 2 anyway. Reasoning was that he "feels bad" that he spent so much time with dealer 2, who handheld him through the process and it was the convenience factoring into him sympathy buying a bad stone at an inflated price.

Here's the real kicker however: he mentioned that dealer 2 had another option, an 1.56 H-VS2, med flour, that was nicely cut but out of his price range. I saw the GIA cert and video - which both looked promising, but dealer 2 wanted $9k for this diamond! I immediately punched the info onto Stonealgo, which came back with fair market value of $7200. Not only that, I did some digging and actually found the exact diamond online through a reputable vendor for $7200 - almost 2k less! So not only was he going to pay MORE for an inferior product, but the nice diamond which was out of budget, was actually CHEAPER than the bad option he was being fed. (So much for dealer 2 selling a diamond "at cost" because he wants to hook you up.)

It wasn't up to me however. I sent transcripts of our conversations, including very helpful comments from members of this community, to his brothers - who FINALLY talked him off sympathy buying a bad diamond from the scam artist. The drawback, however, is that I'm now in charge of finding the diamond & setting, which I'm happy to do :cool2:

I can start with the 1.56 H-VS2 which dealer 2 was trying to inflate and find some comparable options as well. I've attached a Picture & GIA Certificate (redacted) of this diamond, which looks nice, just a bit deep. There's a video as well but I'm not sure how to share without identifying source. pic 2.png
 

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Dealer 2 was working with the fiancé and provided the setting style attached (which I'm sure he just an image he pulled off of Pricescope). They want something similar, albeit entire in 18k white gold or platinum. It looks like a David Klass or Mark Morel ring. If anyone has any idea, please let me know. Thanks as always to the members of this wonderful community!
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noscrusir said:
Dealer 2 was working with the fiancé and provided the setting style attached (which I'm sure he just an image he pulled off of Pricescope). They want something similar, albeit entire in 18k white gold or platinum. It looks like a David Klass or Mark Morel ring. If anyone has any idea, please let me know. Thanks as always to the members of this wonderful community!
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Dk can easily make this, as he does tiffany style settings all the time.
 
Knife-edge 6 prong Tiffany style... easy-peasy for most jewelers to make.
 
noscrusir said:
Quick update - I was able to show him this thread and despite clear evidence that he was being scammed, he was going to purchase diamond 2 anyway. Reasoning was that he "feels bad" that he spent so much time with dealer 2, who handheld him through the process and it was the convenience factoring into him sympathy buying a bad stone at an inflated price.

Here's the real kicker however: he mentioned that dealer 2 had another option, an 1.56 H-VS2, med flour, that was nicely cut but out of his price range. I saw the GIA cert and video - which both looked promising, but dealer 2 wanted $9k for this diamond! I immediately punched the info onto Stonealgo, which came back with fair market value of $7200. Not only that, I did some digging and actually found the exact diamond online through a reputable vendor for $7200 - almost 2k less! So not only was he going to pay MORE for an inferior product, but the nice diamond which was out of budget, was actually CHEAPER than the bad option he was being fed. (So much for dealer 2 selling a diamond "at cost" because he wants to hook you up.)

It wasn't up to me however. I sent transcripts of our conversations, including very helpful comments from members of this community, to his brothers - who FINALLY talked him off sympathy buying a bad diamond from the scam artist. The drawback, however, is that I'm now in charge of finding the diamond & setting, which I'm happy to do :cool2:

I can start with the 1.56 H-VS2 which dealer 2 was trying to inflate and find some comparable options as well. I've attached a Picture & GIA Certificate (redacted) of this diamond, which looks nice, just a bit deep. There's a video as well but I'm not sure how to share without identifying source. pic 2.png
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I would seriously go back to diamond 1 in this post. You can compare the above image to diamond 1 and see that it has a much better image. Trying to find a well cut 1.50 carat with a budget of 7700.00 is a bit challenging.
 
Quick update here. We've been able to find several good 1.5 carat GIA XXX options for my cousin online and a great looking 1.54 carat I-SI1 option from Yekutiel at ID Jewels that he says will score AGS 000. I've asked for any additional ASET/Idealscope/Videos on these options and am waiting back - probably unavailable from the online vendor since brilliance.com seems to be a drop shipper.

However, cousin now comes back and says a relative is offering him the attached option, which has a DGC certification that I've never heard of? She wants $7500 for this stone, which is at his budget and you can't argue with size (1.75 carats). I'm a bit skeptical about the cut/color/clarity however and we're getting an independent appraisal performed to vet out the specs. The appraisal will be by Jewelry Judge Ben Gordon here in Houston, and I will walk it in myself so I know it's legit.

Let me know if anyone has any opinions on this DGC stone or the lab report. Thanks as always!diamond DGC.jpeg
 
I think I see brown in the BN 1.56 I. Could be cataracts. But the dealer for stone #2 has a definite stain. Play it down the middle, buy from a reputable dealer.
 
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