HELP! Need opinions on this stone!

[Stive85]

Hey everyone,

Passed on the last stone I posted here. The dealer I am currently talking to has been good, not forcing anything or whatever. I'm looking at EGL USA stones (I know opinions, trust me, I've read 100 threads here about the varying success/failure stories). But I have lots of time to spend more money on AGS 000 or GIA ex/ex/ex... right now I just bought a cottage and myself and the woman are more into that sort of financial expenditure. I know the people on here are unreal in terms of knowledge which is why I'm coming for advince

Anyways, I wanted to get your overall opinions

Price 3500
http://www.eglusa.com/verify-a-report-results/?st_num=64302910D

Owener said I am welcome to get an appraiser to come in to look at it before shipping (highly recommended one for 50 bucks). Said it is eyecleanish and said he says that because if you are looking with 20/20 and at 4 inches away you could pick it up. He said he would grade it as a GIA F, and the guy I am dealing through said he would say to be safe call it a G.

Two things worry me
1)The inclusions are in the center (I think?)
2) The cert is two years old nearly, what does that mean?


The second stone I am looking at (and really like in terms of numbers), but haven't been able to get a report or picture yet is
http://www.eglusa.com/verify-a-report-results/?st_num=905472102D

Price 3500

The HCA scores really well for this stone, the numbers seem good and the medium blue fluor really entices me. So if it were a J colour by GIA standards this could help it look whiter.

What do you guys think? Sorry for the links etc, just wanted to make it easier for everyone.. I appreciate all your input

 

[krisjon]

#2 has some cautious potential, but I wouldn't trust an EGL-graded SI2 to be anything close to eye clean.
I understand you're trying to save money, but when you're looking at 1ct stones in the $3500 price range, something's got to give.

 

[Gypsy]

EGL USA is usually very accurate on clarity. It's really the only thing they are spot on with.

If you have a good return policy get it and see what you think of the clarity.

I would want an idealscope personally before buying the diamond though.

 

[krisjon]

EGL USA is usually very accurate on clarity. It's really the only thing they are spot on with.

Good to know. Thanks, Gypsy!
Looking at the somewhat fuzzy pic, I already see what looks to be a black crystal under the table around 2 o'clock...among other question marks. You need much better pics and/or see this in person.

 

[c-k]

There is nothing wrong with buying a diamond based on available budget. You can upgrade later when the time is right.

Yes, you will have lots of time to upgrade to that AGSL Ideal, and if you know what you may or may not be getting with a EGL compared to an AGSL or GIA stone there will be no surprises. I know a couple of my friends who have purchased EGL stones and are very happy with them.


Get an Idealscope as recommended.

 

[Stive85]

Exactly. I don't care about the cert. I'm not buying the cert. I'm buying the diamond and I've seen a few egl stones that were gorgeous si2's. As stated, at this point in my life I have other things I want to invest my money into. Both me and the gf are quite young to own a house and a cottage. And are in the same page in terms of the Fact that that is what we want to focus on. So if I need to spend an extra 4 weeks looking at stones to find a closely graded egl usa ( and they aren't as rare as ppl make it seem from what I read) then so be it

So the diamond I posted a picture/cert of isn't likely to perform well, any opinions on specs? How do I get an ideal scope for you to see?

Is it a bad indicator that the cert is most two year old?


Based on the numbers of the second stone does anyone have any opinions?

Thanks again

 

[Gypsy]

Here's my usual spiel: Adapt for your EGL stone.

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough.
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. James Allen and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.

 

[Stive85]

Here's my usual spiel: Adapt for your EGL stone.

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough.
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. James Allen and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.

Thanks Gypsy.. I appreciate your input.

Just for the record, the inclusion we see in the one diamond I posted would probably be too noticable for most of you? Any other opinions.

I'd really love any takes on the 1.07 ct H colour.. It intrigues me a lot. The polish and sym are both only very good, which is too bad, otherwise it looks promising.. Thoughts?

I love reading peoples inputs, good or bad.

 

[Gypsy]

I can't tell you clarity from that picture. I'm sorry.

Your second choice is a 60/60. Run the HCA on it. And read the below:
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/60-60-proportioned-diamond

 

[Stive85]

Anyone else ?

 

[c-k]

Anyone else ?

What Gypsy said...

 

[Stive85]

Anyone else ?

What Gypsy said...

I just meant about proportions of the other stone... But I'm going to get a picture of it and go from there.. thanks for the advice

 

[c-k]

Anyone else ?

What Gypsy said...

I just meant about proportions of the other stone... But I'm going to get a picture of it and go from there.. thanks for the advice

If you ran the HCA as recommended, you got a 1.5 which tells you it is a possibility ...now you get an Idealscope image. As far as clarity, an SI2 is likely to have inclusions that can been seen without a loupe, and your comfort level will determine. Color H is good value, good color based on GIA AGSL grading.