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How rare is this gem really?

It is rare and a stone that should not be set, i.e., a true collector's stone that sits in a box due to durability (brittle and perfect cleavage). I can easily replace a chipped topaz or zircon since they are plentiful and inexpensive, unlike a euclase

Is your purpose just personal collection (looks nice, rarity factor, love the colour, etc) or something else?
 
Just for fun, personal collection (with a look on long-term value (generations)).
For setting I will use only sapphire or ruby etc.
I understand that perfect cleavage is difficult to cut. Is that why the faceted gem is rare, or is the mineral as such rare?
I could not find a SINGLE comparable gem anywhere on the web. The few I found were all ugly ducks and not cheap either.
 
Very rare indeed but they are available in Japan and China with a bit of search.

Here are some of the sites that sell blue euclase:

1st in Japanese. 1.83carat USD653 for the entire stone:
http://www.j-wizem.com/Jewelry/euclase/euclace1824/index.html
http://www.j-wizem.com/Jewelry/Paraiba.htm

2nd from a European shop: 0.44ct at €400.
https://gemstore-24.com/?product=euklas-blau-044-ct&lang=en

3rd I found at etsy. 0.33ct at €286.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/525062...30b08b030cfed154b250785e2177d2468d9:525062124
 
Seaglow, Japan, huh? thats interesting. Finally, I might be able to inform Ed Bristol about something he doesn't seem to know.

Argithesheep, any images? Are they as pretty as a blue sapphire? Cost and travel stress to shows in not for me. I love home delivery. Traveled too much in my life. Hate airports.

Yes, zimbabwe is not producing anymore, I read somewhere, but as far as I can see they had the finest colors.
 
arglthesheep said:
Yes this stone is rare, but it is no unicorn. There are also different origins, where you can get these euclases. To name a few there are also nice ones from colombia and brasil. In my knowledge the rhodesian mine is abandoned.

Here is a good article on euclase:
https://gem-a.com/images/Documents/JoG/Archive/JoG1998_26_4.pdf

So it is a rare gem for sure. I think we have around 10-15 stones in stock at the moment. If you really want to see rare stones just visit us at the munich show :cool2:
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What very rare stones do you have!?
 
normanintheskywithsapphires said:
Seaglow, Japan, huh? thats interesting. Finally, I might be able to inform Ed Bristol about something he doesn't seem to know.
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In the trade, it is common knowledge that the Chinese and Japanese markets get the many if not the best and rarest stones. The premium stones are sold there because these markets pay a premium (consider these as top markets - Japan, China, Taiwan, HK, Singapore). The best Paraiba and gem silicas, the neon spinels, the imperial jades....and rare, beautiful stones will most likely trickle down these markets.
 
Vesper said:
What very rare stones do you have!?
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Vesper, it's against PS Forum Policies for Trade members to solicit business-promote themselves here by, e.g., posting photos of their offerings, links to items for sale. Trade members can include one link to their own website, either as part of a signature line on forum posts or on their profile page
https://www.pricescope.com/content/forum-policies
-- as argithesheep has done:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/members/arglthesheep.81734/
 
Molly, I am sorry. I was just curious what they considered to be really rare :oops2:
 
Vesper said:
Molly, I am sorry. I was just curious what they considered to be really rare :oops2:
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Oh dear, I fear that my comment came across as snippy. No need for you to apologize!! I just wanted to let you know why argithesheep's response to your "what very rare stones do you have?" query might not be as expansive as you were anticipating.

normanintheskywithsapphires has ruled out (at least for now) US dealers, but Brad Payne at thegemtrader.com is someone whose inventory extends beyond "mainstream" colored gems. You might enjoy spending some time on his web site : - )
 
You are not snippy! It is 3 on a Friday and I am itching to get out of work an in a very silly mood. That is what happens when you drink all of the coffee on national coffee day.

The gemtrader is where I found my legrandite (look left.) I will browse again, warn my wallet.
 
OMG, that's so beautiful !
 
The first time I've heard about that gem. WOW!
 
Vesper said:
You are not snippy! It is 3 on a Friday and I am itching to get out of work an in a very silly mood. That is what happens when you drink all of the coffee on national coffee day.

The gemtrader is where I found my legrandite (look left.) I will browse again, warn my wallet.
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I hear ya -- I sure won't be billing for a full day of work today. How about if we meet up at Brad's place ; - )
 
Molly was very helpful informing me how to access trade webpages. I am deep in a gem search.
 
Molly, I blame you. I went down a rabbit hole and ended up buying a very weird piece of crystalized aspestos.
 
More in the Japanese market.

1. 1.82cts. USD653
https://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/wizem/euc-003.html

2. This is sold but still nice to look at price points, just because it's in English. Lol. 2.65cts. USD2929
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/jewelclimb/item/1117457/

3. Just for fun. When Euclase is set in a ring. Sold also but this is USD19200, looks like an eye clean but windowed 2.05cts. euclase, but price includes 1.73 carats of diamonds around the euclase, and made with platinum 900, 10.8g for the ring. Heavy ring!
http://www.rejou.jp/fs/rejou/1341651/99108542
 
Hi, thanks for you input. I have started to think like this: The rarity of such a gem depends on the availability of the material, in comparison to say topaz or sapphire, plus the % of which are in a pleasant color (within its category) and finally its availability as a faceted gem in a pleasant color (with the difficulty to cut the material).
 
yes you have plenty of parameteres which define the rarity of a gem. As you say, first thing is how easy it is to get this crystal in rough state. But also second if it is possible to find it clean enough to cut (example: Grandidierite, which wasn´t found clean until 1-2 years ago) and third how easy it is to facet these stones, as some are very difficult to facet and fourth if the crystals are big (thick) enough to facet (e.g. Brookite). One example to match many of these points is Carletonite. Rare, not easy to find clean, and facetting is a pain.
So have in mind, that availability is not really the only thing which makes a stone rare.... So pricing these stones is very difficult, when you have no comparison...
 
I know you really like and respect Ed but his stones are mostly really badly overpriced. My in laws have been selling conflict free gemstones for decades and never charged a premium for them so I've always personally found that a b/s gimmick. Having said that he does have some nice stones. In this case however it is badly overpriced for what it is.
 
To me, there is so much more than price to a gem, but I'm kind of tired repeating myself, so OK: if you want to safe money don't buy from Ed. Those who buy from him, cannot be dissuaded. BTW: Ed thinks 'fair-gem-trade' is difficult, almost impossible, to put into practice in a professional web-outfit like his but I can't follow.
 
In my opinion the customer should be part of the "fair gem trade" too.
 
normanintheskywithsapphires said:
To me, there is so much more than price to a gem, but I'm kind of tired repeating myself, so OK: if you want to safe money don't buy from Ed. Those who buy from him, cannot be dissuaded. BTW: Ed thinks 'fair-gem-trade' is difficult, almost impossible, to put into practice in a professional web-outfit like his but I can't follow.
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There is nothing wrong with buying from Ed other than he claims this "fair gem trade" status all over this website like this is a justification for asking a lot more for some of the stones. I know gemstone traders that know miners, that have mines and dealers that have bought shares in some of the mines so I understand the pathway where most of the stones I buy come from, and mostly they are what I consider "conflict free."

I realise the average consumer does not have that level of interaction with the people that purchase the stones from the mines or the miners but a lot of stones are bought at the markets, that's the only way you can get some of the rarer types of stones and certain types of stones - the governments in these countries don't allow most of us to just go to the mines or to deal with the miners directly, the actual traders or the middleman - the gemstone dealers and brokers have to have proper licences in some countries, sometimes they have to be a citizen of that country, so therefore I'd argue because the stones are bought at the market you cannot 100% say everything is "fair" "conflict" free and so on. I dunno I just find charging more and marketing something that most people that work in the trade should be doing anyway where possible kind of B/S personally. I guess if you don't know better it could be seen as clever marketing.

I don't think any of us should be buying stones from drug lords or from places exploiting workers but there is a fine line there as well, a lot of the people that dig for stones and take them to the markets are poor people they do that for a living, they move to where the latest sapphires, spinels or whatever are found. No one specifically is exploiting them but there could be a couple of dealers or brokers between the guy that gets not very much for a stone he digs up and the vendor in the US or where ever that is a online store selling that stone it in their shop. What is and isn't "fair" for the guy that digs the stone out of the ground, who draws that line? Frequently the stones go through a number of sets of hands before they even get to dealers and half the time the actual "ethical" vendors buying them don't 100% know who the person was that pulled them out of the ground.

And if the argument is that it's about investing back into poor communities or giving back I know a lot of gemstone dealers that do that as well and have been doing so for years and at least attempting to pay the miners decent amounts so again, I'm yet to determine if charging significant amounts more to the consumer for stones that come from those places is actually O.K or just B/S.

Anyway rant over, he does have a lot of nice stones, it's not about saving or not saving IMHO it's about knowing when you are being ripped off and when something is fairly priced. Like a most vendors he has both. It's up to you to do your research to establish which is which.
 
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Gemstones are sometimes considered a part of status symbol. So people willingly pay premium price for Nice stones. But, if anybody is really concerned about price and able to devote little more time, there is high possibility that he may find good deal online after scouring out the internet.=)2
 
There are women (and men I suppose) who pay 10.000 for a handbag, when a 10 cents plastic-bag would serve the same function. Same with watches, cosmetics, and art, and, and, and everything else. Paying a high price for an expensive brand and treasuring what you buy and thereby valuing yourself (or the lucky recipient) is FUN: it is all in the head, no objective truths there.

For some it is economical: Searching the web for hours/days to find a certain gem 30% cheaper is simply not reasonable, they rather safe the time to earn more money on their job, or have more free time, and simply buy the most expensive quality they can find, quickly. Especially when I don't know much about a product (not the case with you guys and gals) it is often the easiest to buy from an expensive but trusted brand, well knowing that you pay a premium but who cares if you don't want to waste your time on weeks of research?
 
There are women (and men I suppose) who pay 10.000 for a handbag, when a 10 cents plastic-bag would serve the same function. Same with watches, cosmetics, and art, and, and, and everything else. Paying a high price for an expensive brand and treasuring what you buy and thereby valuing yourself (or the lucky recipient) is FUN: it is all in the head, no objective truths there.

For some it is economical: Searching the web for hours/days to find a certain gem 30% cheaper is simply not reasonable, they rather safe the time to earn more money on their job, or have more free time, and simply buy the most expensive quality they can find, quickly. Especially when I don't know much about a product (not the case with you guys and gals) it is often the easiest to buy from an expensive but trusted brand, well knowing that you pay a premium but who cares if you don't want to waste your time on weeks of research?
 
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