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bem3231

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Hi everyone -

Some of you may have read about my insurance saga on Rocky Talk. I have a big dilemma (well, it seems like a big dilemma to me, anyway), and would love some feedback...

Long story short - we purchased our stone at GOG and Leon is currently setting it. We live in Canada but will be vacationing in Maui at the end of this month. Leon prefers not to ship across borders, so he is having the finished ring shipped to an estate jeweler who carries some of his pieces in Maui where we can pick it up. Sounded like an ideal arrangement initially.

The problem is with insurance. I''ve checked with Chubb in Canada and they won''t underwrite a policy without having home insurance moved to them also, and they won''t insure a home with a building value less than $750k, so that''s out. Lloyd''s of London will underwrite a stand-alone policy out of an agency in the US that would cover my ring immediately and during shipping with the AGA appraisal that I''ve provided, however the cost is over double what it would cost to have the ring covered in a rider on my current home policy. They also add about 13% in taxes due to the fact that I don''t live in the US, so it ends up working out to about 3%/annum, which is quite high. I also need to courier a US funds cashier''s check to them to cover the premium, which is something of a pain. The insurance company that currently underwrites my home policy will add the ring as a rider at a rate of 1.5%/annum, however they will not do this without a Canadian appraisal, and I won''t be back in Canada and able to get this until about 2 weeks after we take possession of it.

My fiance does not seem concerned about this, although he is not a huge proponent of insurance in the first place. He thinks that nothing will happen during that 1 - 2 week period so I shouldn''t worry. The replacement value of the ring is about $60k. I am more concerned - I realize that likely nothing will happen, but that''s the point of insurance, right? In Maui I don''t want to wear it to the beach, swimming, etc., and yet the option would be to lock it in that in-room hotel safe thing in the condo.

My options are:

1) Swallow the extra cost and pay the huge premium demanded by Lloyd''s in order to be totally covered. By the way, I''ve read through the Lloyd''s policy and it doesn''t offer better coverage than my home insurer would. In fact, it seems to offer slightly less (ie: Lloyd''s won''t cover the stone during repairs, etc., but my home insurer will)

2) Get the Lloyd''s policy but then cancel once I get home and can switch to my home insurer. I can do this but Lloyd''s will charge a penalty on the premium - they don''t cancel pro-rata.

3) Go with my fiance''s suggestion and don''t worry about insurance until I get home, and just take *really* good care of the ring in the meantime.

What would *you* do??...

Thanks for the feedback!!
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I would go with #3, with the exception that I wouldn''t have it shipped to Maui, but wait until you''re home to receive it after the trip. It would be the worst kind of suck if you lost it on your trip.
 
Mine wasn''t insured for about 6 months, but it also isn''t worth $60k. I lean toward option 3, but if you really feel uncomfortable, then go with option 2. I imagine you''re going to be paying extra attention to your ring when it is newly on your finger, so you should be ok for the first couple of weeks. It''s 6 years later when you bang into the wall because you''re used to it. Again, though, the replacement value is so high that it would definitely sting a bit more.
 
Since Leon doesn''t want to ship it to your home, I guess what I would do is have it shipped to the guy in Maui, IF he would hold it until you were ready to go home. I absolutely wouldn''t wear it/keep it on your trip. I have lived long enough to know you should always expect the unexpected. What could possibly happen to it while on vaca? Don''t ask.
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Date: 2/8/2008 10:57:25 AM
Author: Ellen
Since Leon doesn''t want to ship it to your home, I guess what I would do is have it shipped to the guy in Maui, IF he would hold it until you were ready to go home. I absolutely wouldn''t wear it/keep it on your trip. I have lived long enough to know you should always expect the unexpected. What could possibly happen to it while on vaca? Don''t ask.
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Oh, Ellen - yes this might be an ideal solution, however can you *imagine* what it would be like for me to have finally, at long last received this ring but not be able to wear it?! OK, I''d like to think that I have the capacity to be stronger than that, but I don''t know!...
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Date: 2/8/2008 11:03:09 AM
Author: bem3231



Oh, Ellen - yes this might be an ideal solution, however can you *imagine* what it would be like for me to have finally, at long last received this ring but not be able to wear it?! OK, I''d like to think that I have the capacity to be stronger than that, but I don''t know!...
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Yep, I truly can imagine. However, I can also imagine how I would feel if fate decided to screw up/lose my long awaited $60,000 uninsured ring....
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You can do it.
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Date: 2/8/2008 11:12:42 AM
Author: Ellen
Date: 2/8/2008 11:03:09 AM

Author: bem3231




Oh, Ellen - yes this might be an ideal solution, however can you *imagine* what it would be like for me to have finally, at long last received this ring but not be able to wear it?! OK, I''d like to think that I have the capacity to be stronger than that, but I don''t know!...
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Yep, I truly can imagine. However, I can also imagine how I would feel if fate decided to screw up/lose my long awaited $60,000 uninsured ring....
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You can do it.
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Good point...
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Date: 2/8/2008 11:16:45 AM
Author: bem3231


Good point...
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I''m sorry. lol

Look at it this way. You get to have a fabu vaca, and THEN stare at your sparkly all the way home and for the next few decades. I personally feel a little let down when I have to leave a fabulous place, but I think this would be just the pick me up needed.
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BEM: I would go with nr 3.I like your fiance''s idea.He is totally right in my opinion.Sorry...
You can pick it up in Maui the day you are departing Maui that way you don''t have to lock it up or take anywhere.
You can also fly directly and pick it up from Leon or perhaps he can fed ex it and you can pick it up in USA close to where you live from FedEx office.That way you won''t get stressed out on your holidays in Maui..You can pick it up after your holidays...Good luck
 
Date: 2/8/2008 11:38:48 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 2/8/2008 11:16:45 AM
Author: bem3231


Good point...
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I''m sorry. lol

Look at it this way. You get to have a fabu vaca, and THEN stare at your sparkly all the way home and for the next few decades. I personally feel a little let down when I have to leave a fabulous place, but I think this would be just the pick me up needed.
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As always, Ellen is extremely wise. I was also going to say not to wear it during the vacation. I might not be as afraid to have it uninsured for a few weeks AT HOME, but on vacation you''ll be taking it off to swim and I would not want to place that kind of temptation in front of hotel staff -- even a generally honest employee might not be able to resist a $60,000 ring. Or, what if you simply lost it. At home it might turn up eventually, in a hotel you will have to leave within a week, there would be no time to waste waiting for it to turn up. I just would not do it without insurance. Ellen makes an excellent point about leaving being a let down and your ring being something to look forward to at the end of the vacation.
 
Hi again everyone -

Thanks for the replies. I am checking to ensure that my ring would be insured while at the Estate jewelers. It turns out that it may not be being as it is not their inventory, in which case it is back to the drawing board...
 
Can Leon not hold your ring until you are back home and then ship it to you?
 
I would not mind having any of my jewelry uninsured for a short time. Indeed the majority of my jewelry is uninsured anyhow. I only started insuring my ering lately and that is after 7 years of marriage and b.c I would be wearing it in a work situation that could be perilous. But I digress....

My main interest is: will your ring be fully insured during shipment and while at this Maui based dealer? If not then I would be very uncomfortable. Depends where you are in Canada of course, but if it were at all possible I might just fly to NY and pick it up from Leon and then head for HI. Of course if you live in Vancouver, for example, this is a big pain!

Since it is a high cost item I would take unusual measures and be cautious before having it shipped to third parties thousands of miles away. For that I would require full insurance before it left Leon's door.

Can you hire LLoyds of London and then cancel the policy once you are back in Canada and have secured a new insurer? Not so nice for Lloyd's but that's business.
 
Didn''t have time to read all, but I would definitely want it insured at all times given what I think I saw was the value.
 
I''d probably pay the extra for the insurance and then wear it.
 
Date: 2/8/2008 3:13:32 PM
Author: mrssalvo
I''d probably pay the extra for the insurance and then wear it.
I would do this too. Best of all worlds. I''m insurance phobic, as in, everything has to be insured at all times! I would totally eat the cost just for the peace of mind and being able to really enjoy wearing that dream ring asap!
 
i hope you don''t have when and where you will be on the island posted. anybody surfing the internet might pick up on the high dollar ring and when and where you will be. i don''t mean to be sticking my nose in your business just worried about you and your ring. good luck!
 
For me 2 weeks would be just long enough for me to do something unforgivably drastic like chipping or losing the ring :P, So I personally would suck it up and pay the insurance. I do however like Ellen suggestion though better safer then sorrier :P
 
Well, if you can replace it easily then dont insure it. If you cant, then I would definately insure it, or leave it at LM until ready to pick it up insured. 60K is a lot of money - anything can happen, and is bound to happen WHEN you are not covered - that''s my theory. So I would definatley be sure to be covered one way or another. Not worth the risk, unless you can replace it.

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Date: 2/9/2008 3:55:15 AM
Author: D2B
Well, if you can replace it easily then dont insure it. If you cant, then I would definately insure it, or leave it at LM until ready to pick it up insured. 60K is a lot of money - anything can happen, and is bound to happen WHEN you are not covered - that''s my theory. So I would definatley be sure to be covered one way or another. Not worth the risk, unless you can replace it.


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Well, it''s safe to say that it likely wouldn''t be replaced easily, so I''m leaning towards the insurance. My fiance is coming around to this point of view, too, saying, "if it''s going to mean that you have a better holiday then spend the $ to insure it". While keeping it in the jewelers vault is an option, we want to get engaged soon after we arrive so that we can celebrate with family who will only be there for a couple of days. We also want to do engagement photos, etc., so I guess I''ll bite the bullet and pay Lloyd''s. I''m getting one more quote on Monday from an agency who underwrites for Lloyd''s here in Canada, however they, too, will only do it if my home owners policy goes along for the ride. Oh, I''m sure it will all work out - right?!
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