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I’m afraid I’ve made a horrible mistake! Would love any advice…

DoubleTrouble

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Hi ~ This is actually the first time I have ever posted on any forum on any site (I’ve always been a bit intimidated before) but reading through a bunch of the posts on this website you all seem like such a warm and kind bunch of people, I felt like I could…

I wish I had found you before I made what I fear might be a really sad decision on the center stone for my engagement ring.

TL : DR
What do you think of the stone in the video? Did I make a mistake? Is the bow tie shape in the center ugly and prominent?

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The (very) long version:

In the spirit of the posts I’ve read so far I’ll give a little context on how I ended up where I am now (but also try to summarize what has been an insane 4 month intensive immersion in all things diamond and ering, because I don’t want to bore you with all the endless details). Basically I came into this whole thing a complete novice, not really knowing anything about diamonds, but being a perfectionist who is always happy to learn about new things, so once my partner and I decided to get married I was excited to learn everything I could to find my perfect ring.

I knew I wanted an antique cushion diamond, and also knew that I wanted to find a ring that I would really love but that would also be something my partner liked and might have chosen if he had gone out to do the searching himself (we knew immediately that this was something I should do the looking for, partly because I really enjoy this kind of stuff, and partly because I’m so particular about what I like, but haven’t ever thought about an ering before, so given that I had no idea what I wanted, it would have been practically impossible for him to find the perfect thing on his own).

Over the course of my research I pulled thousands of pictures of rings, and there was one my partner really liked (he had a surprisingly strong “no” reaction to a giant number of rings which surprised me because this isn’t something he would normally be very interested in - I saw some of you guys have had similar experiences with your partners ).

It’s a five stone, with the center stone an elongated antique cushion, with half moon sides, and bullets tapering into the band. The ring in the picture was made with a 4ct stone but I knew I wanted something in the 2ct range.

I looked and looked at stones online, but found out I would need the stone to be sourced by the jeweler as he doesn’t work with outside stones. He sourced a number for me to look at and I started to feel like maybe I was being too difficult and picky rejecting all the stones he showed me. We reviewed the exact specs of the stone I was looking for intending to have a stone custom cut, but I was a bit scared what I would I do if I didn’t like the way it turned out. (Specs were: elongated antique cushion with L/W Ratio ~1.35, with squared off shoulders, approximately 8.5 mm on the long edge, color ~F, clarity ~VS1, with the cutlet open but not too elongated). I got really interested in the different facet patterns of antique cushions (I’m including OMBs in that category very broadly) to try and give the most specific cutting direction possible to mimimize the chance of it turning out badly. I realized that when an antique cushion is elongated, many of them get a band of extremely visible facets showing up across the center (they can show up white or dark, but the facets are just very linear and obvious) - and I knew I didn’t want that in my stone… but I wasn’t sure if maybe all elongated antique cushions just have some form of that characteristic, and so I’d be looking for the most minimal version of it rather than finding a stone that didn’t have it at all.

Reeeally long story short, just before we initiated the custom cutting process, the jeweler got in touch and sent me a video of a stone he found and told me he thought it was perfectly what I was looking for and if it wasn’t what I was looking for then he really didn’t understand what it was I wanted. So… I went and saw it, brought my partner to see it, sent it to my godmother and my aunt who know a lot about diamonds, and everyone said they thought it was great and so I pulled the trigger and said yes! But when I look at it I do see a pretty strong half Maltese cross in the center, which extends out into a band across the middle at certain angles and I’m so so scared it’s ugly and I made a mistake and I’m going to regret it…

So after reading lots of threads on PriceScope about swapping out center stones and what kind of damage that might do to the setting, I realized maybe I should see what the experts on PS think of the stone first, so… here it is… (I can’t figure out how to post a video so I’ve attached some slightly blurry zoomed in stills , don’t know if they’re good enough to make an assessment, but…)

What do you think?



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What your seeing is a slow flashing large virtual facet* that switches between bright and dark as it moves.
Perfectly normal for this cut.
The center is large and slow and the areas outside the table are small and fast making the large and slow stand out.
If you get a camera to close you can make both go dark.

"get a band of extremely visible facets showing up across the center"
That is one way to describe an elongated antique cushion.
They differ in how obvious they are but a camera shows much more than by eye.
Google image search:
*This article goes into more depth what a virtual facet is:
https://www.pricescope.com/articles/virtual-facets-and-patterns-discussion-about-step-cuts
What it comes down to is do you love it or does it bug you?
 
What’s the return policy on this stone if you decide you don’t like it? Can you return without significant monetary loss?

Please note that that’s not me saying that this stone is bad in a roundabout way. I actually can’t even see the photos - connection is super slow right now. That’s me asking what your realistic options may be if there are issues, so that I and everyone else who answers will have that context.
 
Where is the video??? I must be blind!:geek2:

You've already gotten good advice...I just want to see the stone in action! These facets are typical of older elongated stones...you
have to decide whether you're good with the look (hence, yssie wanting to make sure you have a good return policy).
 
Where is the video??? I must be blind!:geek2:

You've already gotten good advice...I just want to see the stone in action! These facets are typical of older elongated stones...you
have to decide whether you're good with the look (hence, yssie wanting to make sure you have a good return policy).

She said she couldn't figure out how to post the video so she took still shots. We need a vid OP! The photos are so blurry. The PSers can advise you how to do it; I don't know myself lol and just use my jewelry IG acct. Others have accounts on youtube or Igmur (spelling?) and they link it here.
 
This is typical in elongated cushion cuts. It all comes down to if you like it. Personally, I think the stone looks very pretty. It's hard to tell in some pics, but the last one looks like the bowtie is equal and not halfway, if that makes sense.
 
Upload the video to YouTube or imgur on an account w.o your real name (for privacy) and then paste the link here
 
Thank you so much for all your advice...

I've uploaded the video (split in 2) here - it's not in great focus, but better than the photos hopefully.


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What’s the return policy on this stone if you decide you don’t like it? Can you return without significant monetary loss?

Please note that that’s not me saying that this stone is bad in a roundabout way. I actually can’t even see the photos - connection is super slow right now. That’s me asking what your realistic options may be if there are issues, so that I and everyone else who answers will have that context.

@yssie I suspect it would be difficult to return the stone to the jeweler to directly swap out for another , but it's for my ering and ultimately I'm not so worried about the money. I'm sure I can use it in something else, or maybe sell it (obviously at a loss) either back to the jeweler or to someone else. I'm more worried about making sure I LOVE it, and, as contradictory as it sounds, me deciding whether I love it seems to be a bit dependent on whether this is "as beautiful as this cut gets at this ratio" or whether I should have held out for something else. In fact, it was actually reading your posts about your stone and how much you love it that inspired me to post here about this . I know part of the issue is that the elongated antique does not have quite the facet patterns that mesmerize me in a regular antique cushion, but I didn't want to let go of the antique cushion while getting a stone that worked for the design of the ring my partner chose (if that makes sense). So if this stone is in the "best possible version of this cut at this ratio" territory then I will be able to love it with all my heart, but if I could get something that doesn't have any slow-flashing-large-virtual central facets (as described by @Karl_K - thank you!) then I would like to look for that.

Here is actually a video of another stone that was proposed which I rejected which doesn't have that issue, but it was smaller than I wanted, not quite in the L:W ratio I thought was needed for the ring design, and the culet was bigger than I wanted. I also thought I saw some asymmetry on one of the shoulders of the stone which I thought would bother me..


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Thank you all SO SO much for your input
 
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I have some concerns about the stone. It doesn't look entirely transparent--what is the clarity, and do you have pics of the GIA/AGS certificate?
To be honest, no, I don't think this is the best you can find in this cut.

These are the best you can find in that cut (IMHO, of course). They are precision cut by Jonathan of Distinctive Gems.
 
So do you have your heart set on on the setting you mentioned? The one with the bullets and half moons? If not, then I might go for a different setting and just focus on the stone that makes your heart pitter patter and it doesn’t sound like the elongated one is going to do it.
 
I have some concerns about the stone. It doesn't look entirely transparent--what is the clarity, and do you have pics of the GIA/AGS certificate?
To be honest, no, I don't think this is the best you can find in this cut.

These are the best you can find in that cut (IMHO, of course). They are precision cut by Jonathan of Distinctive Gems.

I was going to suggest an AVC as well. Or another newly cut stone in antique style. Jon seems to have limited inventory in AVC's and I think she said she was afraid to go the custom cut route.
 
I have some concerns about the stone. It doesn't look entirely transparent--what is the clarity, and do you have pics of the GIA/AGS certificate?
To be honest, no, I don't think this is the best you can find in this cut.

These are the best you can find in that cut (IMHO, of course). They are precision cut by Jonathan of Distinctive Gems.

I don't have access to the certificate unless I decide I'm definitely switching as my partner has it and I don't want him to think I'm less that happy if I end up deciding I love it! I know the basic specs are 2.00ct, F, VS1, ex, ex, none, from IGI and it's listed as a cushion modified brilliant. I did speak to Jonathan (who as lovely) but all the stones he proposed had even more obvious central facets that the stone I ended up going with, and he played around on the computer with different versions of cuts I liked trying to get them to the ratio I needed and he thought they all looked like they would be ugly stones (the angles just didn't;t stretch in a way he thought would work). Plus if I want to use the jeweler we selected (and I really do, I just think he is a bit of a genius in the way he puts things together) then I have to go through him anyway (although if I found something I ADORED elsewhere I'd be prepared to try and convince him to use it)

So do you have your heart set on on the setting you mentioned? The one with the bullets and half moons? If not, then I might go for a different setting and just focus on the stone that makes your heart pitter patter and it doesn’t sound like the elongated one is going to do it.

I kind of am set on it - it's not what I would have chosen but in a weird way fits all the criteria I had in my head (which were pretty amorphous and intangible) and I LOVE that my partner chose it. I also mocked it up with stones and put it on my finger and thought it was beautiful and incredibly elegant.
 
Well it sounds to me like you are going to have to compromise somewhere if the current stone isn't making you happy. Either on setting, stone dimensions, or something. You seem to have pursued all the options available to you, especially if you want to stick with the same jeweler who has already told you that if the current stone isn't what you want, then he doesn't know how else to help you. I think you have to decide if you love the stone or not. It's not what others think that matters. It's what you think. And if you don't love it now, you probably won't love it later.
 
Well it sounds to me like you are going to have to compromise somewhere if the current stone isn't making you happy. Either on setting, stone dimensions, or something. You seem to have pursued all the options available to you, especially if you want to stick with the same jeweler who has already told you that if the current stone isn't what you want, then he doesn't know how else to help you. I think you have to decide if you love the stone or not. It's not what others think that matters. It's what you think. And if you don't love it now, you probably won't love it later.

that's good advice. And it was incredibly helpful even just to be able to write this all out and share with you... It also inspired me to look at every possible elongated antique cushion I could find online, and I do like this one the best - it's true I prefer the facet patterning in the stone I rejected (3.) but then, it's not the right ratio. I also think I prefer the way it behaves in the video to the way it behaved to my eyes in real life, where as the opposite is true of the stone I ended up going with.

I think I will wait to seethe finished ring, and if I don't LOVE it then I will start the (possibly extremely long) search for the perfect stone.

Thank you again!
 
i think the stone is on the upper end for its type with that l/w ratio and the video confirms its a slow flashing virtual facet.
To avoid the slow center you would need a more modern design.
 
I recognize the ring setting photo. Are you working with Leon Mege? Just tell him you don't love the stone if you aren't sure. @yssie works well with him. I think he'd be fine with honesty and he'd want you to be happy. If this stone isn't it, ask about sourcing another. He will not set a stone sourced by Distinctive Gem, etc. You are spending a lot. I'd ask for more options if you don't love the stone.
 
i think the stone is on the upper end for its type with that l/w ratio and the video confirms its a slow flashing virtual facet.
To avoid the slow center you would need a more modern design.

Thank you - that’s really what I was wondering I think, and the more I look at it (vs all the other stones I’ve been able to find) the more I think it might be just right. I’m going to hold off on any sudden moves until I see the ring - but thank you thank you thank you for explaining the virtual facet concept to me, and also the idea that the camera can overemphasize those features. My memory is that I actually really enjoyed the light play between the facets in real life, but when watching through the phone screen I was concerned. And of course how that’s all I have to look back at.


I recognize the ring setting photo. Are you working with Leon Mege? Just tell him you don't love the stone if you aren't sure. @yssie works well with him. I think he'd be fine with honesty and he'd want you to be happy. If this stone isn't it, ask about sourcing another. He will not set a stone sourced by Distinctive Gem, etc. You are spending a lot. I'd ask for more options if you don't love the stone.

Yes, working with LM. I’m going to hang tight until I see the ring and just trust his judgement (and my in-person judgement) and stop looking at the videos and freaking myself out

Will post video of ring when it arrives and see how it strikes me (us!) then
 
I just wanted to share some pictures of the ring, and say thank you of all the help and advice you guys gave on the stone.

I can say @Karl_K was absolutely right, the "bowtie" I thought I saw in the videos doesn't appear when you look a the stone in real life - as Karl said, it must be something to do with the phone needing to be too close to the stone in order to get a decent image of it - and unfortunately that's the only way I have to capture pictures at the moment, so apologies for that.

And with that said, here it is... (apologies for dog and/or cat hair in the shots!)

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I just wanted to share some pictures of the ring, and say thank you of all the help and advice you guys gave on the stone.

I can say @Karl_K was absolutely right, the "bowtie" I thought I saw in the videos doesn't appear when you look a the stone in real life - as Karl said, it must be something to do with the phone needing to be too close to the stone in order to get a decent image of it - and unfortunately that's the only way I have to capture pictures at the moment, so apologies for that.

And with that said, here it is... (apologies for dog and/or cat hair in the shots!)

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Omg this is gorgeous! I was worried about the bowtie but I can see now that I was totally wrong. So happy for you!
 
Awesome!
 
It looks fantastic!!
 
It looks beautiful! Love the 5 stone design!
 
It's absolutely beautiful! Congratulations!
 
It’s absolutely gorgeous. The proportions are perfect!
 
This is a masterpiece - love the stone and setting. Lucky lady!
 
Stunning just stunning! Love!!
 
@DoubleTrouble, Your stone and ring are Amazing!!!. SO BEAUTIFUL!!!
Congratulations on your engagement and enjoy this very very happy time of your life. Welcome to Pricescope!
 
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