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Autpilot2020

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I'm looking for a bit of your wisdom on ideal cut ovals. After weeks of relentless research, I've come across JannPaul Oval 8 H+A as well as Distinctive Gem Elyque oval thanks to PS. These two cuts seem to avoid the problematic bowtie and light leakage of traditional oval cuts, but with some tradeoffs.

Does anyone have any insight on comparing these two diamond cuts or anything at all?

Appreciate your feedback!

*first time poster*
 
I have never seen either one in person, but looked at both online just now. They approach curing the bow tie by different approaches to faceting style. JP has taken a route to cut the stone like a round diamond creating 8 distinct arrows which take out the bow tie, but show themselves as arrows in the face-up position. Rhino has make the stone with a symmetry of 10 instead of 8 sided and has changed some pavilion faceting, it seems, to handle elimination of the bow tie. Each potential buyer needs to decide which model pleases them best. Both are lovely and deserve to be called fine cut ovals.

JP does not even show ovals as a selection choice yet on his website. He is just getting into the production stage and the supply is limited. Rhino does show several stones with a wider color range than G and above, so if these designs reach a demand from consumers, there will be wider color ranges in the future. How much premium are these worth? Consumers end up determining this by their acceptance of the pricing.

I have seen some lovely lab created oval diamonds which have been cut to a high standard. Since the rough material is so much less costly, cutters can provide impressive results with no real apparent added cost. They are not necessarily as well cut as JP's or Rhino's offerings, but they are out there and I suppose will be a choice for many people, too.

I have not seen the cut proportions of either of these mined diamond yet. I look forward to seeing the cut details when they become available.
 
FYI...Blue Nile also has some. Look under Oval/Astor Ideal. They are 8 mains. Unfortunately, they only have them in sub 1 carat size.
 
Thank you both for your replies!

BN ones look great but unfortunately I am looking in the 2.5-3.0 ct range.

The downside that I see on Rhino's is the face up size. A 2.5ct oval has the face up size of a 1.9ish ct oval, so you're losing the size but gaining a lot of brilliance. Quoted 11250 for a 2.5ct F VS2.

JP's are new and due to supply chain etc, it would be a 4-month wait for a custom cut - which is fine. Do the hearts and arrows lines (in normal round brilliants) always show as black lines, or do they reflect as well in certain angles? They quoted me at 13-14.5k for a 2.5ct D-F VS1-VVS1.

I'm at the point in my diamond search where I've gotten away from super high stats, and am focused on brilliance, but I don't have enough experience to say "this will look better than this."
 
A diamond needs a balanced combination of brilliance and darkness. A pure mirror would look totally bright, but hardly diamond-like. The best advice is to look at lots of diamonds and use that knowledge to judge what you personally prefer in order to finally choose the diamond you wish to purchase. The advice other give on their preferences is good to listen to but purely their own. You can learn what each considers important to them. Choose based on your developed sense of what pleases you.
 
That's great advice! Thank you very much!
 
You are looking at lab diamonds right?
 
Make sure you look at both stones spinning and take note of what you see.
 
Any other advice? I've noticed you're the resident oval expert? Haha
 
Not really...just to try to figure out what faceting pattern appeals to you more. Does Jann Paul provide ASET images? If so, compare
a couple from each type of stone. Sounds like the prices might be equivalent once you take into account the smaller surface area of
the Elque? Like @oldminer stated, we all have what appeals to us more. You need to spend time watching videos and hopefully figure
out what you like to see more. Both cuts are leaps and bounds above a regular cut oval.
 
oldminer said:
The advice other give on their preferences is good to listen to but purely their own. You can learn what each considers important to them. Choose based on your developed sense of what pleases you.
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oldminer said:
I have seen some lovely lab created oval diamonds which have been cut to a high standard. Since the rough material is so much less costly, cutters can provide impressive results with no real apparent added cost. They are not necessarily as well cut as JP's or Rhino's offerings, but they are out there and I suppose will be a choice for many people, too.
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Both of these statments are so important. Ovals present a perfect opportunity for individualism in diamonds. I mean, what's the "ideal" ratio? What if I love "Moval" shape- or conversely, maybe I want a pudgy oval. Depending on shape- and other factors, 6main, or 8 main may work best.
Why handcuff a cutter into a specific design preferred by some, but not others?
For these reasons, I strongly disagree with the use of the word "Ideal" for an oval ( or any fancy shape, for that matter)

In the second quote- I concur with the first part- and respectfully disagree with the bolded part.
LG Ovals , by and large, exhibit better cut (on average) than Earth mined ovals. I would classify many that I've seen as "as well cut as an oval can be" ( I won't call the "Ideal" but that's another way to describe them)
 
Thank you all for you input. Basically, deciding what appeals to me is the most important thing. It's about prioritizing the qualities of a diamond for myself, then choosing a cut based on that. There will always be trade-offs, just need to prioritize them!
 
tyty333 said:
Not really...just to try to figure out what faceting pattern appeals to you more. Does Jann Paul provide ASET images? If so, compare
a couple from each type of stone. Sounds like the prices might be equivalent once you take into account the smaller surface area of
the Elque? Like @oldminer stated, we all have what appeals to us more. You need to spend time watching videos and hopefully figure
out what you like to see more. Both cuts are leaps and bounds above a regular cut oval.
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I believe JP provide ASET for all their diamonds because cut quality is where they put their emphasis on their stones and unlike many other sellers in Asia, ASET is one of the essential tools they use to prove the cut level. I think at this point, JP's more similar to many PS famous vendors.

However when it comes to prefernce on cut or faceting style / design, agreed it's really individual.

I personally am not in the market looking to buy oval / simply diamonds ATM, but expect the same dilemma when the next purchase opportunity comes, comparison like below do require experience:

1) The oval consideration as discussed in this thread
2) Different versions of rounds: MRB, JP 10 H&A / Decagon, OEC
3) Petal like VS "bubble" like faceting OEC

I do believe some LG diamond supple could be really well cut which challenges the mined options.
 
As an aside, why can Lab Grown be cut better than mined? The lower rough cost allows for experimentation? Could this not be applied back to mined cuts?
 
For those who are curious, JannPaul sent me a few videos showcasing a 2.58ct Oval 8 diamond. There is a full ASET video with rotation, and videos comparing it to a regular cut oval.

Here are videos on their finger (US size 5)

ASET:

Oval 8 with 1 ct:
 
Autpilot2020 said:
As an aside, why can Lab Grown be cut better than mined? The lower rough cost allows for experimentation? Could this not be applied back to mined cuts?
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It can (and is) applied to mined cuts, but usually only is for very specialized scenarios such as intentionally cut for maximizing beauty under the orders of a request/contract to cut to a very tight set of specifications.
The availability and low cost of LGD rough is a huge driving factor for a majority already being cut for beauty. Earth grown diamond rough that are gem quality are quite rare, so the classic approach still takes priority: retain as much carat weight as possible during cut and polishing to maximize price.

Here is a fantastic PS Education page that provides insight and details about diamond cut: https://www.pricescope.com/education/diamond-cut
 
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