If I fall in love w/ a diamond w/ EGL Cert, is that Ok?

[iluvdiamonds2]

Are EGL cert diamonds ok? Are they valid certs? I saw an EGL cert evaluating light performance, scintilation and brightness, etc.

Are these accurate assessments?

Thanks!

 

[ac75]

Yes.

 

[risingsun]

You can fall in love with whatever diamond you that is beautiful to you. On this forum, we prefer diamonds that are graded by AGS or GIA because their standards are more stringent. If you buy an EGL graded stone, be sure to have it evaluated by an independent appraiser. Do you have a particular diamond in mind?

 

[Rockdiamond]

The diamond itself might be fine
But the EGL report is not acceptable to dealers- not only this forum. The seller should be telling you this as well
The innaccuacy includes the color , clarity as well as cut grading
If it's a lower grade, it's not as important - but if it's a high dollar diamond I'd suggest looking at only GIA or AGS graded stones

 

[anitabee]

the big question is, what type of egl report is it? egl usa is the most reputable of all the egls. egl usa is a separate entity from the others.

if it's an egl usa look at this https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamond-grading.. the sample was only 17 stones but it's a start at a fair comparison. i own a egl usa with an si1 clarity. it's SUPER CLEAN! i can't see a single inclusion. seriously.

egl usa's clarity has been found to be on par with gia's, if not more stringent! color, however, is generally more leniant.

at the end of the day you ARE buying the actual rock. outside of pricescope, i doubt anyone will care what grading report you got. if you like the stone then that's all that matters!

good luck

 

[Cehrabehra]

The diamond is what it really is independent of ANY grading system. Falling in love with a stone shouldn't have ANYthing to do with the certificate. Nothing, never ever. What the certificate does is a) narrow down online searches and b) help you guage the worth of the stone. B) especially is very important, maybe the most important purpose for a cert after you are considering it.

 

[kenny]

The diamond is what it really is independent of ANY grading system. Falling in love with a stone shouldn't have ANYthing to do with the certificate. Nothing, never ever. What the certificate does is a) narrow down online searches and b) help you guage the worth of the stone. B) especially is very important, maybe the most important purpose for a cert after you are considering it.

BUT
Price is set by grades.
If you can't believe the grades you don't know what it should cost.

I believe the grades from GIA and AGS more than from other labs.

 

[Amys Bling]

The diamond is what it really is independent of ANY grading system. Falling in love with a stone shouldn't have ANYthing to do with the certificate. Nothing, never ever. What the certificate does is a) narrow down online searches and b) help you guage the worth of the stone. B) especially is very important, maybe the most important purpose for a cert after you are considering it.

agree. You know going it that the color and clarity may be lower than advertised on the EGL cert, as long as you keep that in mind- pay a fair price...its awesome. In the end, you are the one that needs to LOVE the stone. If you love it- who cares who certed it as long as you are not paying way over the value of the stone.

 

[LGK]

Also, if you ever end up needing to resell or trade in somewhere, you'd need to get it GIA certed *anyway* to get a fair price for it.

Could you try to arrange with the seller to get it sent to GIA?

Another alternative would be to take it to a good independant appraiser during the return period.

Personally, I do own an EGL USA stone. It's an antique stone- those are either uncerted or EGL typically. It was a much lower color, so the exact grading was less important to me than the way it looked to my eye. (Also, with lower colors the price difference between color grades is a lot less drastic- M, N, or O/P is less important to differentiate between.) For a higher color round brilliant, I'd hesitate to go EGL. The thing is, there's *tons* of beautifully cut round brilliants to choose from... not like fancy or antique cuts, where the right cut, right clarity/color combo, is just incredibly hard to find and if you find one, you pounce on it regardless of the cert. RBs are just much more numerous and you can take your time finding the right one.

I do find the clarity grading very accurate, or even a bit strict. For example, my OEC is graded SI1. But, even with my ridiculously good closeup vision (I'm very nearsighted) I can't see a single inclusion from any distance from any angle, even the side or upside down. That's pretty unusual in SI1s.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Is it a modern RB or an old cut?

 

[Anon-E-Mouse]

Are they valid certs? I saw an EGL cert evaluating light performance, scintilation and brightness, etc.

Are these accurate assessments?

All EGL certs are valid vis-a-vis the standards of the respective EGL lab. Yes, I would assume them to be accurate per those standards.

 

[diamond_seeker]

The diamond is what it really is independent of ANY grading system. Falling in love with a stone shouldn't have ANYthing to do with the certificate. Nothing, never ever. What the certificate does is a) narrow down online searches and b) help you guage the worth of the stone. B) especially is very important, maybe the most important purpose for a cert after you are considering it.

BUT
Price is set by grades.
If you can't believe the grades you don't know what it should cost.

I believe the grades from GIA and AGS more than from other labs.

I'm with Kenny here. You can fall in love with any diamond you want...but there's no reason to pay a G premium for an I stone, etc.

 

[Anon-E-Mouse]

I'm with Kenny here. You can fall in love with any diamond you want...but there's no reason to pay a G premium for an I stone, etc.

It's pretty obvious that any/all EGL-graded stones are priced well below their similarly-graded GIA/AGS counterparts. So there's no mystery here.

 

[tweep0]

Everyone is in agreement that EGL's grade less strictly than GIA/AGS

So... the only thing you should care about is whether you like the stone and whether the price is right. Liking the stone means evaluating the color (is it clear or yellow), clarity (can you see inclusions with the naked eye / with loupes, and cut (how much does it sparkle) through your eyes. Obtain the diamonds measurements and use the HCA score or GIA/AGS standards to help with the cut. With respect to price, use the pricescope search for a GIA/AGS diamond that is 1 color and clarity grade less (if EGL USA) or 2 color and clarity grades less (if EGL international / Isreal) and see what prices come up.

Also, ask your seller if GIA/AGS were to grade that diamond, what they thought it would get. If they say it would be the same... i wouldn't trust 'em. Sometimes, sellers will give you accurate estimates. I purchased a EGL USA stone and the seller told me that it would likely lose a color and clarity grade. I got it independently appraised and he was right.

I love my EGL USA stone, just make sure you're not overpaying.

 

[antelope1]

All EGL certs are valid vis-a-vis the standards of the respective EGL lab. Yes, I would assume them to be accurate per those standards.

and you know what happens when you assume?

The problem with an egl cert is that it's highly variable. Suppose you had a D-IF on the cert. If you sent that diamond to an independent appraiser (or a panel of them), to GIA, or to AGS, the diamond might be a D-IF, or it could be a G-VS2, which is a big difference in quality, rarity, and cost.

 

[Anon-E-Mouse]

and you know what happens when you assume?

The problem with an egl cert is that it's highly variable.

Don't lump EGL into one basket. The EGL labs are (so far) eight independently operated for-profit entities. They will do what they will do to further whatever financial goals they severally envision.

 

[tweep0]

Don't lump EGL into one basket. The EGL labs are (so far) eight independently operated for-profit entities. They will do what they will do to further whatever financial goals they severally envision.

I think it's still safe to 'assume' that EGL (i.e. every single EGL lab) grades less strictly than GIA / AGS. I highly doubt one can find an EGL stone that matches GIA in grading of color or clarity.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Here is the problem with EGL for consumers, said very plainly:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/

 

[Dreamer_D]

Don't lump EGL into one basket. The EGL labs are (so far) eight independently operated for-profit entities. They will do what they will do to further whatever financial goals they severally envision.

I think it's still safe to 'assume' that EGL (i.e. every single EGL lab) grades less strictly than GIA / AGS. I highly doubt one can find an EGL stone that matches GIA in grading of color or clarity.

Too strong. You can find it of course.

The trouble for consumers is you cannot know for sure what you are getting, there is too wide a variation in grading, even within the lab itself. An EGL cert is a mystery so you cannot know if you are paying fair market value. Yes, EGL certs are devalued on the market and you pay "less" for an EGL certed diamond, but whether that is an appropriate price is anyone's guess.

 

[iluvdiamonds2]

Thank you all SO Much for your valuable info!!!!!!!!!! I appreciate your help.
If i end up buying the stone i'm going to ask them to get it certified thru GIA . Thank you all!

 

[risingsun]

If you are looking for an ideal diamond, I recommend looking for an AGS 0 graded stone. That is the only ideal designated grade that I trust to be what it says it is