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I just found this forum, and I have to say how happy I am to have found it! It''s refreshing to know I''m not alone (or crazy)!

I''ve been with my BF for just over three years now, but we''ve known each other for over a decade. We are both divorced - we married young and found out the hard way that people change, and at that age we really weren''t prepared to handle it. We both have a very sober view on marriage now because of our experiences.

I''ve been "in waiting" for over a year now. It seems like every few months it really gets to me, and I have a little meltdown. We''ve gone through the gamut of emotions on this - he swears up and down that we''re on the same page, that it''s what he wants, and a year ago is when he started telling me that it''s going to happen "soon". I guess most of you know how that goes!


Back in June he asked me to show him some pictures of the type of rings liked. I thought for sure that meant the ball was rolling! A few weeks later he took me out to dinner at a very nice place. I was so sure! But nothing. It''s so hard not to be disappointed when you see the perfect opportunity pass.

I''ve told him that a ring doesn''t matter. I never had one before, so he says it''s important to him to get me one. I just don''t know what he''s waiting for. Money isn''t an issue. He just got a promotion. We are both very frugal and have plenty of savings.

Last Christmas, when he said "soon" I mentally gave myself six months before I would reassess things. Over the next few months we did talk about it but nothing happened. When the six months were over, I brought it up again, and told him that I just couldn''t keep doing this, that I couldn''t wait forever. He told me to give him some more time. I said that if nothing had happened by Thanksgiving, we really need to sit down and take a good look at our relationship and what we want.

What bothers me is that when I get sad about it he bothers me until I just can''t keep it in anymore. It''s the only thing we really argue about, and I''m not even sure it''s really arguing. Even though we''ve talked about all sides of the issue until we''re blue in the face, I just don''t understand what''s going through his head. He has told me that he''s 100% sure, that he wants to do it right, that he''s waiting for the right time, but he has also said that he''s scared, that he''s not sure what marriage really means, that he doesn''t want to get hurt again, and that he didn''t know I was waiting for him to propose.

I''ve been as explicit as I can, but I''m always careful to keep from "pushing". It''s really important to me that if this is going to happen, the ball is going to be in his court. I have to know that this is a decision he is actively making and not just something he is going along with (as I felt happened with my last marriage). The hard part is that I keep hoping that he will step up to the plate, but I keep getting stuck waiting.

So, now Thanksgiving is approaching and I''m just a wreck. He''s even got it marked on his calendar, "one month remaining". That sounds so ominous, I just don''t know what to expect.

I''ve searched my soul to determine why marriage is so important to me. Regardless of whether I agree, it gives you a social and political benefit. Employers and coworkers see you as more normal, stable, reliable. Society in general tends to look on people who are in a long term relationship without marriage as being immature or unable to commit. I''d be lying if I said those pressures didn''t affect me. I''m not the most traditional of women though, so those really aren''t enough. The fact of the matter is, I just really need him to actively choose me. Not just in the everyday I''m choosing to still be here way, but in the "I hope to grow old with you" way too. It''s one thing to say it, it''s another thing to do it.

He knows all of this, though. There''s nothing we haven''t talked about, so it just gets harder and harder as time goes on. Hopefully this forum will turn out to be a great resource for me when I''m feeling frustrated, so I can keep from taking it out on him!

Sorry to ramble so much, I actually did try to keep it short! I''ve read some of your stories here and I swear I could have written them word-for-word. It''s just good to know that I''m not alone, and I''m not crazy!

Cheers,
Tuesday
 
Boys... I tell ya! I have never been married, but I get like that too...going through phases. But when it feels so close, it is a lot of mixed emotions and sometimes they get the better of me! If marriage is important to YOU, then that''s what matters, nothing outside of that (imo). You and him! Best of Luck and use this forum for exactly what you mentioned- both good and frustrating times!
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YOU ARE TOTALLY NORMAL! I''m glad you found us too! I have been waiting impatiently for about a year, but have been with my FF for nine years total. I am almost at my wits end! My advice to you is to come on the forum and vent your frustrations rather than causing an argument with your FF. I think the "one month to go" thing on his calendar is a good sign, why would he have written that if he didn''t have plans to do it within that time frame?
Here''s hoping for a GIRL SOON proposal for you!
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Ugh, I truly do not understand why men do this. I totally understand your frustation, anger and hurt. It seems like you''ve clearly communicated your feelings to him, discussed your relationship, etc. I think you''re probably freaking out extra because Thanksgiving is coming up. Hmm. I don''t really have any advice to give, other than to say please please stick to your timeline. If he doesn''t propose by Thanksgiving, I''d break up with him. I really would. After 3 years, he should be sure and ready...and if he isn''t, well, he''s probably never going to be sure or ready.

I''ll be keeping my fingers crossed that you get proposed to before Thanksgiving...
 
Hey, Tuesday,

Just wanted to reiterate that you are completely normal and not alone at all. I know that for those women who know the proposal is coming, it can be a very exciting time. For those, however, who have been waiting for a long time and are dating men who have a case of cold feet, it can be an anxiety-filling, self-esteem affecting and generally just frustrating.

I waited for a long time, had an internal deadline and when that passed, I told my boyfriend that I was leaving (we'd discussed marriage EXTENSIVELY, but I kept my deadline to myself) and he asked for another month, which I thought was fair to him. That month with the "deadline" looming over our heads was no fun because the pressure was overbearing. Not the best scenario for a heart-felt proposal and as the deadline drew nearer, I realized that he was just dragging his feet. He did propose, but in my heart I knew it was because he feared losing me, not because he was ready to embrace marriage.

Long story short, I left because I was genuinely ready to move on and during that time that I was gone, he got to the root of his fears and got over them. He always wanted marriage, but his fears got the best of him and when I left I think it really motivated him to address his issues. A couple of months after he left he planned the proposal, then called me (sneakily, I was strict about no contact) and asked me if I would take a trip with him, assuming I wanted to get engaged.

The proposal, engagement and now marriage was and is fantastic. He was truly ready and it made such a big difference. Once he proposed (this time in a very heartfelt way) he felt that a weight was lifted off of his shoulders and the day of our wedding he was extremely emotional and excited. Now that we're married he's loving it and has no clue why he had any fears to begin with.

I have no real advice for you except to tell you to try not to let this next month get to you too badly. Again, I know how tough it is in a relationship with a deadline, but just TRY to relax and if Thanksgiving comes and goes without anything, then you can address it then. I wish you the best!
 
Thanks for all of your words of encouragement and advice!

The part I struggle with the most is what happens next if he doesn''t propose. When we first started dating, we both felt that we never wanted to get married again. It''s really been his attitude and his love that have made me change my mind. I don''t necessarily want marriage as a goal, but I want him (specifically) as a husband. If we broke up, I don''t know that marriage would still be a goal for me. I realize that this essentially gives me no leverage, and that''s part of why I''ve been so frustrated.

I''ve had a lot more positive signs recently but I''m trying not to get too hopeful! I playfully asked him the other day if he still wanted to get married, and he said, "D''ur! And we''d better do it soon, since I listed you as my fiance for my emergency contact at work."

His birthday is next week, and I''m planning to take him out to a nice restaurant. Part of me thinks he might use that as the opportunity, but he''s not really the type to plan for much of anything so I''m not getting my hopes up. We are also tentatively scheduled to go out of town with his family for Thanksgiving, so that was my other potential opportunity, but the last time I asked him what dates to ask off for work he sounded like it might not happen. I still don''t know for sure if we are going.

It''s just so reassuring to know that you are going through some of what I am, and especially reassuring to see all of the engagement posts. Thanks!

T
 
Well, to be honest it sounds like he is going to pull through, so I think if you just relax and try to enjoy this time you''ll be a very happy woman by Thanksgiving.

If it doesn''t happen, though, then you really need to figure out what marriage means to you. The issue here is that you''ve basically told him that you are not happy in this relationship without marriage, so he already knows where you stand. But you''re also not really ready to leave, either, so you''re basically telling him "I really, really want marriage, but if it doesn''t happen I''m probably not going anywhere anytime soon". If he really is a man who is dragging his feet then the precedent is that you give him a deadline (after the conversation last Christmas the deadline was June, then it was Thanksgiving) and then nothing really happens. I''m not saying that''s wrong, in fact I think MANY women are in a similar boat. That''s the issue with leaving--if you''re not ready then it will backfire and many times women just aren''t ready by their own deadline. All it means is that you have reflecting to do on your own, without involving him.

Honestly, though, I think he just needed some time and it really does sound like he''s close to being ready, so please just try to enjoy the relationship and don''t worry about the what ifs right now.
 
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