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Effy

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Diamond | 1.07 ct E VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4575451

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.07 carat E color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4575451
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I'm a little concerned about the clarity.. I can kind of see them from the video, but not sure if visible by eye. Not sure if I should go with something with lower color grade but better clarity??
 
This is an amazing diamond! Vvs2 will be 100% clean to the naked eye. You could easily go to VS1 and still not see anything with your eyes alone. Remember that these videos are hugely magnified and IRL a 1ct stone is about 6.5mm.
 
If you want to save a little cash this would be my pick.

Diamond | 1.048 ct E VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558465

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.048 carat E color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558465
www.whiteflash.com

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Watch the fire video. This baby is a sparkle bomb! The VS1 clarity is more than eye clean. Color is the same. And this has the older AGS lab report (preferred IMO). While carat weight is marginally different, there is no physical size difference that will be detectable to the naked eye.

All ACA’s are great but this one has exceptional fire.

JA TH stones simply aren’t the same caliber. Also the lifetime upgrade policy offered by WF blows JA’s policy away. With JA, you have to spend 2X the original amount anytime you want to upgrade. With WF, simply trade for a stone of equal or greater value with no other strings. It doesn’t get sweeter.

Also if you buy a designer setting (Vatche, Tacori, etc) WF also offers an upgrade program on those at 50%. To my knowledge no other vendor offers that perk.

Honestly it’s like flying coach vs first class. WF all the way!
 
Ditto on that E/VS1 ! Gorgeous stone and the size difference between the 1.04 and 1.07 is minuscule!
 
Definitely stick with WF here. You can safely drop to VS1 if you want to save money (and with the naked eye you wont see anything)
 
Thanks all for your replies!! Tremendously helpful for a first timer here :)
Love the E/VS1 too!!
 
Is AGS report as good as GIA? When I research online most people are only talking about GIA.
 
Same! Small tables are so flashy!
 
Effy said:
Is AGS report as good as GIA? When I research online most people are only talking about GIA.
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AGS is better for cut than GIA. AGS 000 is almost guaranteed to be a great cut, whereas GIA XXX is very broad and includes some badly cut stones.
 
lovedogs said:
Please put it on hold while you think!!
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This! Unfortunately, many folks on PS right now looking for a diamond and watching this conversation and will not think twice to buy "yours" while you are considering.
 
Hello and welcome to PriceScope, Effy!
One more for your short list:

Diamond | 1.203 ct E VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558463

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.203 carat E color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558463
www.whiteflash.com

If you want to see if your color sensitivity/tolerance will allow to go with an I color, then ask WF to make a comparison video with the 1.048 E VS1, the 1.2 E VS2, and this one:

Diamond | 1.508 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4519828

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.508 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4519828
www.whiteflash.com
 
DejaWiz said:
Hello and welcome to PriceScope, Effy!
One more for your short list:

Diamond | 1.203 ct E VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558463

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.203 carat E color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558463
www.whiteflash.com

If you want to see if your color sensitivity/tolerance will allow to go with an I color, then ask WF to make a comparison video with the 1.048 E VS1, the 1.2 E VS2, and this one:

Diamond | 1.508 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4519828

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.508 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4519828
www.whiteflash.com
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More options! Appreciate it!
I'm totally open to F - requested a comparison with E/F color and 1.05ct vs 1.2ct - difference is really small. Haven't tried G or I yet.
I guess 1.5ct is probably noticeably bigger but above my price range now. Might just save and upgrade to a 2ct in 10 years! haha.
I'm hoping the 1ct still looks good (or big) on me because I have small hands, 3.75 size.
 
Effy said:
More options! Appreciate it!
I'm totally open to F - requested a comparison with E/F color and 1.05ct vs 1.2ct - difference is really small. Haven't tried G or I yet.
I guess 1.5ct is probably noticeably bigger but above my price range now. Might just save and upgrade to a 2ct in 10 years! haha.
I'm hoping the 1ct still looks good (or big) on me because I have small hands, 3.75 size.
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One option that you can try is order some various diameter ultra-cheap CZ rings from Amazon or the like to see what your eyes and mind like best on your hand.
 
Effy said:
Is AGS report as good as GIA? When I research online most people are only talking about GIA.
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To answer this: AGS focuses on the intricacies of cut quality and optical performance, and they assess every diamond that went through their lab using all three dimensions. They also own the rights to the ASET Scope.
GIA doesn't even come close. :)
 
Sorry @Effy got lots of issues and fires I’m putting out today. Here are some additional thoughts on the lab differences.

As noted by others, AGS was THE lab report you wanted as they focus on cut quality. This happens several ways.

a). They only average the values, they don’t round up like GIA so you see things like a 54.9 table vs 55 table. Or a 34.7 crown instead of 35 crown. While this may seem minor to the uninformed this provides a higher level of confidence and precision in the diamond proportions.

b) More than that, AGS had a more strict view on what qualifies as their top cut grade, ideal or 0. In comparison, GIA’s top grade of excellent, or EX, is very broad and can be either great, mediocre or not excellent.

c) AGS performs a 3D scan of the stone and produces a computer generated ASET directly in the lab report providing further graphical evidence of how ALL the actual values work in relation to each other. As few diamond vendors provide actual ASET images (for example JA TH doesn’t) this provides additional information to base your decision upon. Side note idealscope images (red only that JA TH does provide) does similar but the ASET shows more detail. It’s nice to have both because you may be able to detect deficients in one or other more easily. Hands down if I can choose one only I always want ASET.

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d) Any AGS 000 stone will easily meet GIA 3X; however, only a very small portion of 3X stones will qualify as 000 stones. Even fewer hit ACA criteria.

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e) If you haven’t noticed yet, I keep referring to AGS in the past tense. Effective 12/2022 they stopped providing individual lab reports and teamed up with GIA. So now the newest of GIA stones has an AGS option that can be purchased separately and attached to the GIA report as an “addendum” of sorts. This is the next best thing to a 000 report.

The first stone you posted has the newer report option:

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f) The above in consideration, it’s important to realize WF is what we call a super ideal vendor. This means their stones are cut with extreme precision and have true H&A symmetry. Additionally they provide actual ASET, idealscope and hearts images to prove the light return performance and symmetrical precision of all their stones, which supersede any computer generated images. So your first stone is a great stone and the reporting wouldn’t stop me from buying from WF as they provide all the actual imaging as well. However, I’d prefer the AGS report if the opportunity was available.

g) A Cut Above, or ACA, is WF’s top tier stone and prior to the lab shift required an AGS 000 lab report + meeting a narrow window of proportion requirements. Their Premium Select line was similar to ACA but with GIA reports in lieu of AGS. Now that things have shifted with the labs I am unclear how this product line continues unless they will be defined as GIA only with no AGS addendum. Lastly WF has an Expert Select line which are “near miss” ACA’s.

A CUT ABOVE® Diamonds Specifications and Qualifications

Uncover the diamond specifications and qualifications that make up the Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® diamonds. The most carefully crafted diamonds in the world.
www.whiteflash.com

Premium Select Diamonds - Whiteflash.com

The Premium Select diamond category at Whiteflash consists of top performing GIA Triple Ex Hearts and Arrows diamonds.
www.whiteflash.com

Expert Selection Diamonds - Whiteflash.com

Expert Selection diamonds from Whiteflash consist of certified AGS Ideals with hearts and arrows precision that nearly missed A CUT ABOVE® Super Ideal.
www.whiteflash.com
 
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Omg, thank you so much for the detailed explanation @sledge! This could be a full education article on it's own!
 
Effy said:
Omg, thank you so much for the detailed explanation @sledge! This could be a full education article on it's own!
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You’re very welcome. I hope it was clear and concise without bogging you down in too many details.

Just got a call from my wife’s doc and looks like we are headed back to the ER tonight. Ugh. Anyhow I probably won’t have much, or any, time to respond back here but you are in good hands with the others.

A few final thoughts:

1. I didn’t suggest getting too crazy on color or clarity from your original post because some cultures such as Asian signify high color and clarity as purity of their love. I don’t personally share that viewpoint but I respect it. But more to the point, if you drop color and/or clarity then you could get a larger stone. Keep in mind, buying diamonds is a zero sum game meaning your budget will naturally balance the other 4 C’s.

2. Pick color based on your girl’s preference, sensitivity and tolerance. Others can explain more but if she can’t tell a difference past G then why buy E? On the flip side, most women have better eye vision than us men and if she sees minor variances and likes that icy white then D/E is probably a very wise choice. A third scenario exists where your girl easily sees tint but isn’t bothered by it. This might be good H-J territory.

3. With ACA’s being so vetted and WF being so trustworthy I am willing to push clarity in this size to an SI1. I’m still picky that I want eye clean and inclusion types and placement matters but lots and lots of ladies here are rocking SI1 ACA’s in this size and larger and have no regrets.

4. Absolutely call WF and put a few of these stones on hold while you maul it over. Lots of lurkers frequently purchase our recommendations. You can reserve multiple stones.

5. Along the lines of 4, you can ask them to pull multiple stones and do comparison pictures and videos to ascertain more on color, etc.

6. Best part of buying from WF is you don’t really have to over think it. They are an “easy button” solution so any ACA you choose will be great. But some may have slightly different personalities that gets us revved up. Truth is those are nuances that average Joe doesn’t see. So as much as possible try to truly enjoy this experience. WF will treat you very well.

Okay I gotta go. Good luck and enjoy. I will check back on you when possible. :cool2:
 
sledge said:
Just got a call from my wife’s doc and looks like we are headed back to the ER tonight. Ugh. Anyhow I probably won’t have much, or any, time to respond back here but you are in good hands with the others.
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Hope all turns out well for you and your wife, Sledge. Sending positive vibes your way!
 
Effy said:
I really appreciate the help from all of you :)

I'm the girl picking my own stone :razz:
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How cool. Does he know yet? :lol-2:

Seriously most buyers don’t get that luxury. So what are your thoughts on color and clarity? Have you saw any stones in person to evaluate? Usually going 1-2 grades either way is very minimal difference, all depending where you are in the color scale. There is little variance in D/E/F but you’d see more variance as you get warmer I/J/K.

Another benefit of a well cut stone like an ACA is it gets full light return edge to edge. This has two effects. It makes the stone look larger than a poorly cut one. Also from the top view it makes the stone look more white. To be clear, color is graded and most easily seen from the side view in the body/pavilion of the stone. However, if you do things like use a lower profile setting or yellow gold then you can “cheat” color a bit.

DejaWiz said:
Hope all turns out well for you and your wife, Sledge. Sending positive vibes your way!
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Thank you I appreciate that. We are still here. Looks to be a long night. Very ready to beyond this chapter of life.
 
sledge said:
How cool. Does he know yet? :lol-2:

Seriously most buyers don’t get that luxury. So what are your thoughts on color and clarity? Have you saw any stones in person to evaluate? Usually going 1-2 grades either way is very minimal difference, all depending where you are in the color scale. There is little variance in D/E/F but you’d see more variance as you get warmer I/J/K.

Another benefit of a well cut stone like an ACA is it gets full light return edge to edge. This has two effects. It makes the stone look larger than a poorly cut one. Also from the top view it makes the stone look more white. To be clear, color is graded and most easily seen from the side view in the body/pavilion of the stone. However, if you do things like use a lower profile setting or yellow gold then you can “cheat” color a bit.



Thank you I appreciate that. We are still here. Looks to be a long night. Very ready to beyond this chapter of life.
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We went to Graff, HW, and Tiffany to see their engagement rings. Although their settings are really pretty, I feel that 28k for 1ct F is too much. Didn't compare every color but I is noticeably different from E, so staying away from it.
I'm really glad that I found pricescope and received so much useful tips!! =)2 But since I still know very little about diamonds and just started doing some research, I'm hesitant to go below G/VS2, and since I'm buying my first diamond online, I decide to be more conservative and go with F/VS1.
 
Effy said:
We went to Graff, HW, and Tiffany to see their engagement rings. Although their settings are really pretty, I feel that 28k for 1ct F is too much. Didn't compare every color but I is noticeably different from E, so staying away from it.
I'm really glad that I found pricescope and received so much useful tips!! =)2 But since I still know very little about diamonds and just started doing some research, I'm hesitant to go below G/VS2, and since I'm buying my first diamond online, I decide to be more conservative and go with F/VS1.
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If you're buying from a trusted vendor like whiteflash, I would say that G/VS2 is quite safe :)
 
First time poster here lol... I have been lurking and reading all the posts and advises by all the experts, expecially Gary, Sledge, karl, dejawiz, kim etc etc and I can tell you I agreed with the comments here, especially Sledge's point 2 opinion. I just bought a J SI2 for wifey for our upcoming 20th anniversary after going through lots of selection process. Based on my budget, I'm only able to get that and with a strong blue fluorescence to boot lol. Anyway, I worked with a local gemologist and based on his recommendation, I cross reference against HCA and the table from gary about RBC proportions and finally selected that stone (https://www.pricescope.com/communit...-project-to-establish-some-guidelines.259514/)

Final outcome, am very satisfy with the purchase also so glad it's eye clean for an SI2, I got lucky I guess. I can't post video here, so here is the link, hope it turns out ok :

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drive.google.com drive.google.com

What I want to say is you have an option with that budget, IMHO you can go G/H, VS2 a little bit bigger stone.... I think VVS is kinda overkill for us regular consumers
 
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