Is this an OEC or transitional ?

[Smith3]

I was told this is an old euro cut but it looks transitional to me. Thoughts? Thanks

 

[PreRaphaelite]

Just my opinion, but I think the table would be smaller on a traditional OEC.

Beautiful stone though!!

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

It looks like maybe what they'd call circular brilliant. I think it's mostly determined by table size and the lowers. Subtle differences.
I love the color of it. Is this a ring contender? Do you have more pics?

 

[Smith3]

It looks like maybe what they'd call circular brilliant. I think it's mostly determined by table size and the lowers. Subtle differences.
I love the color of it. Is this a ring contender? Do you have more pics?

What’s a circular brilliant? Is it a newer stone?
Yes it is a contender but I didn’t want to post pictures yet till I figure this stone out lol. It’s suppose to be from the 20’s

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

What’s a circular brilliant? Is it a newer stone?
Yes it is a contender but I didn’t want to post pictures yet till I figure this stone out lol. It’s suppose to be from the 20’s

It is an antique!
No, not really, it's just a GIA designation they give to European cuts that are juuust out of their proportion for classic OEC.

GIA: Old European vs. Circular Brilliant

If you have been looking at antique cut diamonds you will notice that often times GIA will give the label of Old European Brilliant & Circular Brilliant to stones which look very similar in appearance. Old Europeans: In our experience the Old European tends to, but is not always a bit deeper...

www.vermaestatejewelry.com

 

[Smith3]

It is an antique!
No, not really, it's just a GIA designation they give to European cuts that are juuust out of their proportion for classic OEC.

GIA: Old European vs. Circular Brilliant

If you have been looking at antique cut diamonds you will notice that often times GIA will give the label of Old European Brilliant & Circular Brilliant to stones which look very similar in appearance. Old Europeans: In our experience the Old European tends to, but is not always a bit deeper...

www.vermaestatejewelry.com

My husband actually bought it for me! I was so excited but it wasn’t puffy so I was a little disappointed because I thought it was a chunky old euro, because in the photos it looked like that and it was stated as old European with a gia report.
To be honest the stone is too good for my taste hahaha I know it sounds weird but I like them usually wonky and a little off. But it’s pretty and I’m contemplating.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

My husband actually bought it for me! I was so excited but it wasn’t puffy so I was a little disappointed because I thought it was a chunky old euro, because in the photos it looked like that and it was stated as old European with a gia report.
To be honest the stone is too good for my taste hahaha I know it sounds weird but I like them usually wonky and a little off. But it’s pretty and I’m contemplating.

I really like it and generally note, and then ignore, whether it's OEC, Tranny, or circular. If GIA calls it OEC, then it's an OEC. They definitely have flavors. It's only useful if you're wanting a particular. The patterning is nice and even on it. If I likes it, I likes it.
I would love to see more pics as I love a warm stone.

 

[lulu_ma]

Looks like a transitional cut/circular brilliant to me. Still pretty, though.

 

[Smith3]

The gia does say Circular brilliant. I need to do research on that and I’ll take better pictures. I took the pictures when I had on a neon highlighter yellow sweatshirt. lol it picked it up a lot. Its J color vs2

 

[Smith3]

Is a transitional/circular brilliant cut from the 20s and 30s?

 

[Smith3]

Looks like a transitional cut/circular brilliant to me. Still pretty, though.

Love the rings in your avatar! That top one! Wowzers

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Circular brilliants can be anywhere from the later 1800- 1900s. They are essentially just antique cuts. Transitionals were what came after from the @ 1930's give or take.

 

[lulu_ma]

Love the rings in your avatar! That top one! Wowzers

Thanks! The top one has a HRD certificate. Even though the stone has a tiny table, I think GIA would technically grade it as a Circular Brilliant because of the medium size culet. I *think* it's a late OEC.

 

[YadaYadaYada]

Wow, beautiful faceting! Would love to see the whole ring if you decide to keep it. Very sweet of your husband to gift it to you, he did a great job!

 

[Smith3]

Wow, beautiful faceting! Would love to see the whole ring if you decide to keep it. Very sweet of your husband to gift it to you, he did a great job!

He’s holding it hostage and getting it sized. When it’s done I’ll post pictures.
I was going to post in my thread lol but waiting for it to be cleaned and resized.

 

[emmy12]

What does GIA use as an official terminology for the cut when it is a transitional?

Circular brilliants can be anywhere from the later 1800- 1900s. They are essentially just antique cuts. Transitionals were what came after from the @ 1930's give or take.

 

[lulu_ma]

What does GIA use as an official terminology for the cut when it is a transitional?

Circular Brilliant

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

What does GIA use as an official terminology for the cut when it is a transitional?

They don't, other than circular brilliant, as @lulu_ma says. You just have to go by patterning in that case- the good thing is that they tend to be distinct and even in their faceting as they were the link from old to modern. Though, you'll find people, even vendors, can be a bit loose in their designations of terms.

 

[Ionysis]

Transitionals generally don’t have an open culet. This one does. I’d say its too early for a transitional too. It’s still an OEC - albeit with the circular brilliant angles.

 

[lulu_ma]

Some nice visuals here:

What is a transitional cut diamond? | Erstwhile Jewelry | NYC

The transitional cut diamond bridges the chunky old European cut diamonds of the old world and the flashy round brilliants of today. These beauties manage to have both an old world feel while maintaining that mega modern round brilliant sparkle.

erstwhilejewelry.com

 

[Inked]

OMG, I love it and it's gorgeous! I feel like I see certain OECs and think they are transitional or vice versa

Transitionals are my favorite. I just had a MRB lab diamond recut to a transitional and sent to GIA for regrading.

I found an article on the criteria for transitional but of course cant find it quickly, but it was saying something about the table being 52% to 54% and had an open culet. i wish i could find it now.

This was the picture I used for inspiration and this article is good and talks about the evolution.

GIA came back with it listed as circular brilliant.
https://www.bloomingbeautyring.com/article-topics/all-about-round-diamonds/


Edit:
I found the article, its actually on the GIA website:
https://www.gia.edu/UK-EN/gia-news-research-round-brilliant-cut-diamond-pay

Following this review, GIA decided to introduce a new description for 58-facet round brilliants. The requirements for a stone to fall into this new category are:

• Lower half length: less than or equal to 60 per cent
• Star length: less than or equal to 50 percent
• Culet size: medium or larger

The new description used on GIA reports for these diamonds is “circular brilliant.” All three criteria must apply for the diamond to be designated as a circular brilliant on the GIA grading report.

 

[Lookinagain]

You know, it looks similar to my stone.


here's the cert which is from August 2013 right around when they were using the term circular brilliant, but GIA calls it a round brilliant. Even with a culet that they call slightly large. And it seems to fit into round brilliant from the below chart, yet it has a cut grade. So I've never known what to call it.



maybe this chart will help you if you have the dimensions from the cert.

 

[Lookinagain]

I meant to say that mine seemed to fit into Circular Brilliant from the chart. Not Round Brilliant. Even though that is what the cert calls it.

 

[babs23r]

It's magnificent, whatever the label!!!!

 

[Rhino]

Key difference there being the lower halves and def looking like tranny. Note: When the lower halves are =<60% the 8 mains will generally be the primary facets being observed under the table to the exclusion of the 16 lower halves.