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Jann Paul LGD vs natural vs other?

What would you choose?

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Hi all,
Hoping this question is allowed, but since lab grown is one of the options I understand if the thread needs to be moved.

I'd like to replace a natural stone from a preloved ring with something more ideal cut. Its about .45-.5ct. I contacted Jann Paul about their decagon cut because I love it. They said the following:

Lab grown .5ct F color for about $1500
Natural .5 G color for about $3300

My third option is getting a D/E color with strong fluor, which I've always wanted. Unfortunately none of the super ideal vendors carry stones with fluor (so so sad), but I can try to find one that's close, or reach out to some of our trusted vendors for help. My guess is that this option would be the cheapest (I've been searching myself and prices range from 1-2k ish depending on clarity and vendor.

If you were me, what would you choose?
 
Doesnt Brian Gavin still have their Blue line for super ideal stones with strong fluorescence?

Edit...they still have them but nothing that will fit your specs right now.

Edit...those prices on the decagon...ouch!

I think it depends on how badly you want that cut and how much lab vs mined diamond bothers/affects you.
Such a personal thing. Can we see the ring that its going in? Not sure if that would affect my opinion.

I also wonder at that size stone if you'll get the full impact of the decagon cut? Not really sure because I've never
seen one in person but something to consider.
 
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Is brian gavin blue not an option? Do you not want a round? That is the extent of my help as they all have their pros and cons. Sorry!
 
Unfortunately BGD blue isnt an option right now because they dont have stones in the size and color I want
 
I really want a Decagon too, so that's what I voted for, in lab diamond to save money. Please share a million photos if you get one!
 
I don't understand. If what you really want is also the cheapest, what is even the question?
 
JannPaul is the only vendor from who'd I'd ever buy a stone sight-unseen. I think they're the best super-ideal vendor on the market. You don't need to study their scans, you don't need to see a bunch of videos and images to verify clarity (though they do provide all that). If they're selling it you can be confident it's a beautiful stone. I can't say that about any of the other super-ideal vendors - which isn't to say they don't offer some wonderful products - just that one has to do due diligence when purchasing from them whereas JannPaul does that due diligence themselves.

Re: the question at hand, if you're comfortable with LGD that's what I'd choose in your shoes. I'd use the extra couple thousand dollars for a future project ;-)
 
If a decagon is what you really want, I'd go with that. I personally still prefer natural diamonds but lab may be fine for you!
 
pokerface said:
I don't understand. If what you really want is also the cheapest, what is even the question?
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Sorry, what i mean is that I have wanted both a decagon and a D with strong fluor for a while. So it isnt that easy, unfortunately
 
I get ya. And it is hard- so I'm going with my gut response:
As much as I love fluorescence, I have to say if you can get a Decagon as a lab, why are we still talking about it?! The cut!
 
tyty333 said:
Doesnt Brian Gavin still have their Blue line for super ideal stones with strong fluorescence?

Edit...they still have them but nothing that will fit your specs right now.

Edit...those prices on the decagon...ouch!

I think it depends on how badly you want that cut and how much lab vs mined diamond bothers/affects you.
Such a personal thing. Can we see the ring that its going in? Not sure if that would affect my opinion.

I also wonder at that size stone if you'll get the full impact of the decagon cut? Not really sure because I've never
seen one in person but something to consider.
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That's a very good point! @jewels4life since you have a decagon I'll ask: have you ever seen one in a small size (not sure if you're local to them or not)? Edit to tag @DejaWiz because I think they've seen decagons IRL also
 
So why not get the D for this project and save the decagon for something custom? Seems like a speciality cut might deserve a specialty setting and you could potentially get the D and a lab hexagon for less than the price of a natural hexagon.

lovedogs said:
Sorry, what i mean is that I have wanted both a decagon and a D with strong fluor for a while. So it isnt that easy, unfortunately
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lovedogs said:
That's a very good point! @jewels4life since you have a decagon I'll ask: have you ever seen one in a small size (not sure if you're local to them or not)?
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I have not lovedogs. Eugene only showed me stones in my size and slightly bigger . I would have loved to see them in person, but I’m so far away from their shop. YouTube had tons of videos of decagons in smaller sizes. Perhaps that might be helpful to you .
 
What about asking @DRSAMURAI - he’s pretty experienced with decagons isn’t he?
 
I votd for the fluor because, same. I want a strong fluor so bad and understand the allure.

Second option would be the lab decagon because, spend the saved money on something else! :D
 
Lab Decagon has my vote...the sheer amount of QA that JannPaul does to ensure there will be ZERO issues with the rough that their amazing Decagons are cut from is something that no other seller does, to my knowledge.
No striations, no weird hues, and an exceptionally perfect cut that meets their most stringent requirements.
Probably even have quite a bit of retained value since it is a JannPaul Decagon, after all.
There are no downsides, in my opinion.
 
DejaWiz said:
Lab Decagon has my vote...the sheer amount of QA that JannPaul does to ensure there will be ZERO issues with the rough that their amazing Decagons are cut from is something that no other seller does, to my knowledge.
No striations, no weird hues, and an exceptionally perfect cut that meets their most stringent requirements.
Probably even have quite a bit of retained value since it is a JannPaul Decagon, after all.
There are no downsides, in my opinion.
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Spot on!
 
I voted LGD Decagon. I have a JannPaul LGD Decagon as well 2.44 carat VS1 E AGS 000. You won't be disappointed.
 
I'm going to be the odd one out and vote not-decagon, in either lab or mined.

The reason is... The Decagon has 111 facets, compared to the standard RBs 57 (excluding culet). More physical facets means smaller virtual facets, even if arranged in absolute perfect optical symmetry.

In a 0.5ct stone the facets are already pretty small - the physical facets are on the smaller side, and the virtual facets (primary, secondary, tertiary) are all even smaller than that. And the human eye can't resolve virtual facets below a certain size, so increasing the number of virtual facets also increases the number of facets that your eyes won't even see because they'll be below that reception threshold. More splintery white twinkle, less big bold flash, less fire.

Same reasoning for choosing single cut melee over full cut if you want to see bold flashes and fire rather than bright white twinkles. The smaller the stone - the fewer facets you usually want, actually. I think the Decagon is gorgeous but I'd save that for a larger stone, and get a regular ol' round for this project, but with the D colour and strong fluor you've been looking for!

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My vote is for a $3300 lab grown decagon, if it's possible to fit a larger stone in your setting and they have stock.
itsfake said:
I voted LGD Decagon. I have a JannPaul LGD Decagon as well 2.44 carat VS1 E AGS 000. You won't be disappointed.
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I agree with itsfake. Mine just Fedex'd through yesterday. I saw the loose stone in person and it was gorgeous. Seeing it mounted? Absolutely stunning, not a shred of disappointment. My only, albeit slight, regret was not getting a larger stone. But the proportion of stone, metal, and finger is perfect so I can't really complain.
 
TeeSquared said:
My vote is for a $3300 lab grown decagon, if it's possible to fit a larger stone in your setting and they have stock.
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Now THAT is the perfect approach!
 
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