Jewelry anatomy question...

[Autumn in New England]

Hello all - I'm trying to describe something to DK, but the proper name is escaping me. I sent him the below photo, but don't want to confuse anyone with incorrect terminology. First, is the center stone "border" still considered a bezel, even though it is non-functional (the prongs will hold the gem)? It will be recessed like a typical basket. Second, what is the texturing called? I suppose it's some type of milgrain, but it's chunkier and more serrated than the traditional beaded look. Thanks for any help you can provide!

Autumn

 

[Rfisher]

Faux bezel with prongs iirc? I’ve had one from DK. A different vendor will call that ‘cup with prongs’.
This is one of those cases where I don’t think terminology we use here ( or seen elsewhere) matters. Pictures and drawn arrows to vendor/DK. LOL.
I find it most helpful to also find slightly similar but not quite right pictures of the same concept and include those pictures with drawn in arrows noting the difference - as extremely helpful, too, in what you don’t want. Pictures from their own gallery is often most helpful.

Ahh! A new Autumn in New England project. Love

Some beading /milgrain is squarish like that. Depends on the tool/finishing if hand applied .
Now whether it’s cast in or hand applied……. I don’t think that all matters. Me asking one way or another hasn’t been that successful in getting the correct look in outcome, sadly. It’s just ‘give this project that same detail /texture you see just like here, please” I think is the idea.

 

[stracci2000]

The word that comes to mind is "dentil", as in dentil crown moulding. I could be way off!
Sounds like you're planning another great design!

 

[Avondale]

Faux bezel, totally. And that's just milgrain. It's how it looks under magnification when it's applied by hand. All milgrain that's cast has always been nice and properly rounded. But the technique of applying it by hand leads to these results, especially considering oval milgrain wheels are more common compared to round ones.

 

[Dreamer_D]

My star sapphire is set like this. It took me forever to communicate what I wanted to Yvonne lol! She called it a halo once she finally understood. Faux bezel could work.

Mine also has that same texture too. Mine is hand applied.



If you can find a picture of something similar DK has done that’s best for communicating!

 

[Autumn in New England]

Faux bezel with prongs iirc? I’ve had one from DK. A different vendor will call that ‘cup with prongs’.
This is one of those cases where I don’t think terminology we use here ( or seen elsewhere) matters. Pictures and drawn arrows to vendor/DK. LOL.
I find it most helpful to also find slightly similar but not quite right pictures of the same concept and include those pictures with drawn in arrows noting the difference - as extremely helpful, too, in what you don’t want. Pictures from their own gallery is often most helpful.

Ahh! A new Autumn in New England project. Love

Some beading /milgrain is squarish like that. Depends on the tool/finishing if hand applied .
Now whether it’s cast in or hand applied……. I don’t think that all matters. Me asking one way or another hasn’t been that successful in getting the correct look in outcome, sadly. It’s just ‘give this project that same detail /texture you see just like here, please” I think is the idea.

Faux bezel! Yasss... thank you!! I agree that "do and don't" photos are more valuable than any wording. So I've written DK, sent him this photo, mentioned the faux bezel with prongs, and asked for the milgrain to be hand-applied and chunkier than your average. We shall see. I appreciate your enthusiasm, my friend!

 

[Autumn in New England]

The word that comes to mind is "dentil", as in dentil crown moulding. I could be way off!
Sounds like you're planning another great design!

I had to look this up... so cool! You learn something new everyday. I should've thought to tag you, since you're our resident metalsmith!!

 

[Autumn in New England]

Faux bezel, totally. And that's just milgrain. It's how it looks under magnification when it's applied by hand. All milgrain that's cast has always been nice and properly rounded. But the technique of applying it by hand leads to these results, especially considering oval milgrain wheels are more common compared to round ones.

It didn't even occur to me to differentiate between cast and hand-applied milgrain. I specifically asked for the latter, so hopefully we'll get that more defined "toothy" look. I typically enjoy a delicate/subtle milgrain, when I even use it, but this ring needs something. Right now it's pretty basic, which is ok, I suppose. I want the gem to do the talking.

I'll make a post eventually, I'm sure. Thank you!!

 

[Autumn in New England]

My star sapphire is set like this. It took me forever to communicate what I wanted to Yvonne lol! She called it a halo once she finally understood. Faux bezel could work.

Mine also has that same texture too. Mine is hand applied.



If you can find a picture of something similar DK has done that’s best for communicating!

My goodness, that's lovely. Please tell me more about the side stones. I don't think I've seen this one? Is she new? Love the double prongs and milgrain! Thank you for sharing!!

 

[Avondale]

I specifically asked for the latter, so hopefully we'll get that more defined "toothy" look.

In that case also ask for larger size milgrain. I think maybe about 11-12-13 should give you enough size and definition. If there’s a way for them to show you how different sizes milgrain look, that would be best and you’ll be able to choose which fits your preference and vision the most.

 

[Slickk]

I think that is also called a collet setting.

 

[Autumn in New England]

In that case also ask for larger size milgrain. I think maybe about 11-12-13 should give you enough size and definition. If there’s a way for them to show you how different sizes milgrain look, that would be best and you’ll be able to choose which fits your preference and vision the most.

Oh interesting... noted! What do the numbers stand for (what unit of measure... or do they correspond to tool size)? I'm going to see if there is a chart online showing the differences. Thank you!!

 

[Autumn in New England]

I think that is also called a collet setting.

I'd never heard that term before, and had to look it up. Bang on!

 

[Avondale]

Oh interesting... noted! What do the numbers stand for (what unit of measure... or do they correspond to tool size)? I'm going to see if there is a chart online showing the differences. Thank you!!

The smaller the size, the smaller the beads. This is what the head of the milgrain wheel looks like:



These indentations that you see, it's their size that changes.

Check this website: https://goldschmiedebedarf.de/en/se...&goldschmiedebedarf_en=channel&query=milgrain

They have listed the size of the wheel itself which can give you some idea, and also show a graphic comparison between the sizes.

 

[Autumn in New England]

The smaller the size, the smaller the beads. This is what the head of the milgrain wheel looks like:



These indentations that you see, it's their size that changes.

Check this website: https://goldschmiedebedarf.de/en/se...&goldschmiedebedarf_en=channel&query=milgrain

They have listed the size of the wheel itself which can give you some idea, and also show a graphic comparison between the sizes.

This is immensely helpful, my friend. Appreciate you!