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LilAlex

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I have written about this once or twice and thought now is as good a time as any to post some representative images -- before and after digital manipulation. I think there is a general lack of appreciation on this forum for all of the ways that sellers can alter the appearance of their gems and jewelry.

All these were done in the image processing stage, starting with the same basic image (file). By this I mean: this is one single photo shot on a full-frame DSLR (except for the cell phone pic at the end).

I shoot in RAW, as I explained on another thread, where all images require some degree of manipulation to reproduce what the eye sees (or thinks it sees).

There are some extreme examples below, but they are all less extreme than some of the abuse that I have seen on eBay, IG, and vendors' sites.

The starting picture is not a great picture but it is one of the few that I have with multiple gems (unlike the rest of you!). This is pretty much the entirety of my collection. All three are unheated Ceylon sapphires in the 1 to 3 ct range. The left blue is from Multicolour, the middle pad is from Africa Gems, and the right is an included but very brilliant re-cut from Jeff White.

In all instances, the descriptions precede the images.

Below is the basic image as shot straight from the camera:

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The image below is with the exposure corrected (lightened maybe a half a "stop"). I used this exposure for every other image:

optimized exposure (1 of 1).jpg

The image below is with the white-balance corrected. What this means is that I am identifying something that is truly white in the image (the liner on which the stones sit), and subtracting any evident color there from the rest of the picture. The white balance was pretty close in the original image as shot. This is pretty much what the stones look like, albeit in a very cool light (under just-leafed-out trees) that is very unflattering to the pad. So this image should eliminate any color cast caused by the lighting. (It has no impact on fluorescence caused by the actual wavelengths of light hitting the stones -- meaning that it won't turn an alex from green to red or vice versa.)

optimized white balance (1 of 1).jpg

Below I have "added" 4,000 degrees to the color temperature, making the entire image look warmer (yellower). You can identify this kind of manipulation by looking at anything in the photo that "should" be white. This will tend to make rubies look redder, etc. Note that this is not the same as using an actual warm light (like an incandescent bulb)

color temp plus 4000 (1 of 1).jpg

Below I have "subtracted" 4,000 degrees from the color temperature, making the entire image look cooler. This will tend to make blue gems look bluer. You can see the cooler cast to the liner. Look at different gems from the same eBay vendor -- the rubies and pads will often have a background like the image above (very warm) and the blue sapphires will have one like the image below (very cool). This is bone-headed image fakery.

color temp minus 4000 (1 of 1).jpg

Below I have increased the "saturation" of the entire image -- making all the colors richer. Note that the white liner has not changed in color because I removed any color cast when I told the software that this background was my reference for pure white. So there is no foolproof way to detect this type of fakery when it's done well. But look closely at the pinkish halo that now surrounds the pad -- the very subtle and ordinarily imperceptible "vicinal color" that has been imparted to the white liner is suddenly amped up and becomes detectable. Many images that have been subjected to this kind of manipulation can have a color "halo" that's half the diameter of the stone! To confirm what I am describing, cover the actual stone on your screen with something opaque and the halo will become very obvious.

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Below, I have returned the saturation to the "normal" values but instead increased the saturation of only the blue channel. So only blue in the picture is enhanced. The pad still looks as crummy as ever but the lower left blue looks pretty nice! And the background is as snow-white as ever!

blue channel plus 100 (1 of 1).jpg

Below, I have dialed back the saturation on the blue channel and instead amped it up the saturation on only the red and orange channels. The blue sapphires look meh but the pad is looking pretty good! Note that there are no obvious telltale clues anywhere in the rest of this image that I have been unscrupulous.

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For comparison, this is an unedited image of the same scene shot on my iPhone 6S (I think). Note how juiced this "unedited" image is compared to even some of the grossly manipulated images from my DSLR. This is why Instagram vendors are only too happy to send you more photos and videos from their phone! Who wants that "royal blue" now?!

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One more -- there's no limit to what you can do...

Below, I've superimposed a transparent pinkish oval on the pad to alter its hue.

With pinkish red oval filter on pad (1 of 1).jpg

To better show what I did, I've moved that "colorizing" oval off the pad and a little to the northwest so now it's just floating in the middle of nowhere. The rest of the image is untouched.

With pinkish red oval filter OFF pad (1 of 1).jpg
 
Thank you! Your explanation about saturation helps me understand some of those unnaturally electric gems I've seen for sale on eBay.
 
Wow - THANK YOU for such a detailed post about this - extremely helpful. I feel a bit foolish for not even really thinking about it before. I should know better - I am a painter and studied color theory for crying out loud, but just trusted that vendors wouldn't try to misrepresent their gems so grossly and hadn't seen enough examples in person to know the difference!

Very grateful for this education. Wonder which photos stand out this thread (if any) :tongue:

No wonder i look better in my iPhone photos! LOL

Now that all of my work at my company is remote (by video call), a female coworker worker was trying to teach other female coworkers (myself included) that we could easily adjust a filter to "beautify" ourselves on video - enlarge eyes, smooth pores, melt away a few years - another colleague went to go make the adjustment to the filter, only to find it was automatic and she had become quite used to her "beautified" self reflected back at her....:kiss:
 
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Don't stores do it too though with specialty lighting.
I even recall reading once about stores spraying sweet or food scented sprays to make the food smell better?
So how does one ever know what they're buying?!
 
Thank you! Your explanation about saturation helps me understand some of those unnaturally electric gems I've seen for sale on eBay.

IG + Etsy sellers included...
 
Thanks for this great explanation! One thing I have seen several times is stones that are too dark. They look great under bright (vendor) light but that’s not most people’s daily environment.
 
Don't stores do it too though with specialty lighting.

You're right. I think most stores use what I would call sparkle lighting -- lots of spotlight mini-halogens pointing down into the cases. Great for diamonds but not so much for colored stones -- although some look really nice. I try to walk rings over to the window, etc., if I'm really interested. I have seen colored stones that look much better out of the store than in the store's "ideal" lighting. I have not gone so far as to ask to see the stones or rings under GIA-type full-spectrum fluorescent lighting.
 
One thing I have seen several times is stones that are too dark. They look great under bright (vendor) light but that’s not most people’s daily environment.

Yes! My three were not dark enough to show that very common ruse but I'll look for an example. Just increasing the (equivalent of the) exposure can dramatically alter the appearance. Maybe that's what the stone would look like if you were on Mercury or Venus :cool2:
 
@LilAlex So glad you called out phone photos - they are IMO the worst offenders!!

I will say that I take no issue with vendors photoshopping stones if the intent is to better represent that stone in a specific type of lighting environment. What the camera sees and what the human eye sees aren't ever identical, and as a buyer I'm much more interested in the latter!

@kenny is an avid photographer - he might have additional input for this thread. His collection of coloured diamonds - and his photography of them! - is extraordinary:
 
@kenny is an avid photographer - he might have additional input for this thread. His collection of coloured diamonds - and his photography of them! - is extraordinary:

Hahahaha! I think he kinda proves our point. His photos are not natural colors -- at least not the ones I've seen. (Below is one of his examples from your thread.) He's as bad as some of the vendors. See the halos around these gems? And those are not naturally-saturated colors. Pigeon-blood-red diamond and better-than-Paraiba diamond? Nope.

It's very easy to make gems look insanely great. It's very hard to faithfully reproduce what the eye actually sees.


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Oh for god's sake. I'm sorry I responded to this thread - I suspected I might be, having seen your posts in another thread :rolleyes:

I've seen @kenny's diamonds in-person. They are every bit as vivid as his photos portray. I do a fair bit of photography myself, for what that's worth.

You do realize that both salt and sugar crystals have somewhat reflective surfaces? Those "halos" are the entirely natural consequence of the medium reflecting its surroundings - those surroundings in this case happen to be brightly coloured gemstones. Most common printer paper is also sufficiently reflective to create a muted version of this effect.

Your expertise is welcome. Your presumption that we're all liars is not. This is a gemstone forum, some members own astonishing and outstanding gemstones; your disbelief does not negate their existence ::) Kenny has been forthcoming about his photography and processing in many threads, feel free to look them up.
 
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@LilAlex: it would behoove you to slow down and read some of the many excellent threads prior to your arrival. There is much expertise here, many great photographers, some of whom are excellent teachers as well. If you look around, you will see that there have been multiple threads covering photo manipulation, lightbox setup, and how to take good closeups and accurate pictures. You would be surprised to learn that Kenny is not only one of the good photographers, but a great teacher as well. As @yssie said, Kenny's collection of diamonds is outstanding - they don't get any better. If you read the threads, you'll understand that his collection took considerable time and effort to accumulate, and he goes to great effort to photograph them accurately.

Yes, they really are pigeon-blood red, and paraiba, "pool water blue." You could learn from Kenny.
 
Lol to be fair I am pretty sure these are shot in a lightbox. I have read Kenny's threads on daimonds and photography avidly -- some of the best on this forum. Totally amazing, and clear nothing is being edited inaccurately, and setup is not a phone camera etc. It's all done entirely properly with a truly phenomenal respect for accurate photos and knowledge of photography to complement it.

But perhaps missing some of the minutely detailed information available on here about the setup, and the kind of even diffuse light tent these are shot in, you could come to the wrong conclusion. Also if you know those threads, it comes immediately to you that this is rock salt (actually wow I think that just solved my problem of a low tech way to visualize gem layouts. I was just going to shove everything ontop of bluetack :lol: ). But if you don't know these threads as many newer posters wont, then drawing the wrong conclusion is not a huge surprise.

I feel like it is actually a good thing, as it'll point people to Kenny's various posts on photography (lots of info if you start digging =)2).

Oh for god's sake. I'm sorry I responded to this thread - I suspected I might be, having seen your posts in another thread :rolleyes:

I've seen @kenny's diamonds in-person. They are every bit as vivid as his photos portray. I do a fair bit of photography myself, for what that's worth.

You do realize that both salt and sugar crystals have somewhat reflective surfaces? Those "halos" are the entirely natural consequence of the medium reflecting its surroundings - those surroundings in this case happen to be brightly coloured gemstones. Most common printer paper is also sufficiently reflective to create a muted version of this effect.

Your expertise is welcome. Your presumption that we're all liars is not. This is a gemstone forum, some members own astonishing and outstanding gemstones; your disbelief does not negate their existence ::) Kenny has been forthcoming about his photography and processing in many threads, feel free to look them up.
 
Not entirely sure what's happening here. I "presume you are all liars"? What's with that? My goal was to protect you from unscrupulous vendors. I guess I know who the closet vendors are.

There seems to be a lot of confusion (still) about what is a "cool" photo and what is an accurate photo. Maybe that's why these types of vendor photos "work" -- people are vaguely disappointed and think they just don't have the magical lighting that the vendors have. It ain't the lighting.

I'm not new -- I've been here for maybe two years.

I referenced the concept for this thread in a recent post and some poor soul encouraged me.

One of my first posts resulted in an unhelpful response and then exchange with @kenny. Perhaps he has come a long way in the past two years, but you pointed me to a 2011 thread. I didn't bring him up here; you did. I'm glad many of you have learned from him. Two years ago, he was not an expert in photography or in image processing, although I'm sure he knows way more than I do about buying colored diamonds. Buying lots of equipment does not make one an expert. I do a lot of this stuff professionally (photography, macro photography, microscopy, image analysis, video editing), although not with gems. I did not describe myself as an expert in this thread -- but I will now.

That gem in the @kenny image in the lower right is as oversaturated as they come. It's also not a great photo -- it's not even sharp. A lightbox won't create that effect. It's undeniably cool and I commend @kenny on his spectacular collection. It's not the color of the gems that led me to my conclusion -- it's many, many years of looking at oversaturated and manipulated images.

Maybe you guys are all used to it. One of the things you learn with image processing is it helps to get away from your screen for a while. It's like taking a hot shower -- you adapt and keep making it just a little bit hotter. With imaging, your eye gets fooled into thinking that's the "new normal" and you keep tweaking it. It's happened to me and I feel I'm even extra-conscious of it. My first photo on a recent thread of a ring I made was unintentionally oversaturated -- I was focusing on making the center stone look how I remembered and the rest of the picture became oversaturated. It bugs me when I look at it. It seemed "right" when I edited it, but it doesn't even match the rest of the series I posted.

I have been spending some extra time here because of the quarantine but you should probably keep your bubble intact. I'll try not to intrude. :cool2:
 
Kenny isn’t a vendor.
I’m not a vendor.
Gemstone appearance is 99% lighting.
Gemstone photography is also 99% lighting.
Don’t let the door bruise your ego on your way out of this plebeian bubble.
 
In this conversation we are the newbies :lol:, lucky us as we get to learn more from the experience.

I can see the pear stands out, it is clearly throwing off a lot more amped up colour. I however think that the assumptions are wrong in what caused that to happen. I would be guessing it is probably fluorescent at the wavelength of the light in the tent and this is causing it to have a very unnatural looking colour. (its clearly a stone which exhibits fluorescence and in my experience they really do tend to have that unnatural look if the right wavelength hits them. Which is why all of us are scrambling to get our grubby little hands on them. So that I don't post this out of context I'll give you the link https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/fancy-colored-diamond-collection.159746/page-5)

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I did look through the first 6 pages of the thread to try to see what I thought the most likely explanation was (I thought it was going to be orientation of the light source but pretty sure that is not it. The pear does change appearance when the light source changes though, which to me suggests flourescence. But really honestly it is all a conjecture. Lol not my place to make it either! As I am not the one who shot the photos and therefore not the one who really knows.).

Finally I am supper chuffed someone thinks I am a vendor. That's pretty cool! But it is perhaps a slightly unwise thing to say in this thread. As it is indicating your assumptions are a bit all over the place without any real substance/evidence backing them up (sadly I've never sold a single stone. Too much trouble as I am not sitting in the US.), and are perhaps having a large role in informing your conclusions. Its end effect is to get me to go back and make me crittically recross examine everything said to check the basis/assumptions.

But it is your thread so I guess I do not really mind.

I really do appreciate the comment though, it made me smile.
 
One more -- there's no limit to what you can do...

Below, I've superimposed a transparent pinkish oval on the pad to alter its hue.

With pinkish red oval filter on pad (1 of 1).jpg

To better show what I did, I've moved that "colorizing" oval off the pad and a little to the northwest so now it's just floating in the middle of nowhere. The rest of the image is untouched.

With pinkish red oval filter OFF pad (1 of 1).jpg

So what color is your Pad?
I see a lot of brown that in other stones don’t get the lab report designation for that. But it’s probably just my monitor.
Genuine question.
 
On one hand I appreciate the information about how potentially unscrupulous vendors can alter/edit phone pics to make crappy stones look amazing. On the other hand, I think the tone and assumptions aren't ideal. There have been multiple comments by OP on other threads accusing vendors of photo manipulation that I do not believe are accurate. Are some vendors being dishonest? Yes, of course. But are all vendors on IG/Etsy/Ebay doing this? No.
 
I was about to reply to the OP, point by point.

But after reading everything the OP has written, I will not be responding.

Make of that what you will.
 
Fairly easy to tell if they have been manipulated
Look at the color of the white background, how it shifts to yellowish and bluish?
easy way to tell

also when looking at vendor photos assuming they use the same background you can tell if it’s manipulated if the background color varies
I’ve seen stones I presume were made to look more blue bc the entire image was blue... unlike the next image on the same background that had a reddish cast

correct the color of the background and it tells a lot
 
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To get this thread back on track. We can all agree that altering the light balance, color or contrast on a photo will alter its appearance.

What really irks me is that I can never get very good photos of my gems or pearls. It's probably because I use a phone, but many of us have taken dozens of photos of a gem and find only one or two that even comes close to how it looks in person. I can tell you how outstandingly gorgeous a particular piece is and then you look at my photo and go "yeah right." lol
 
To get this thread back on track. We can all agree that altering the light balance, color or contrast on a photo will alter its appearance.

What really irks me is that I can never get very good photos of my gems or pearls. It's probably because I use a phone, but many of us have taken dozens of photos of a gem and find only one or two that even comes close to how it looks in person. I can tell you how outstandingly gorgeous a particular piece is and then you look at my photo and go "yeah right." lol

My phone does the same thing, and there is no middle ground. Reds and purples are always hideous and yellows and greens are always gorgeous. Manipulating pictures makes them look closer to reality, but it always feels weird to do those adjustments.
 
I agree that's a phone problem, not a you problem @LisaRN ::)

For those of us who don't shoot RAW (I personally don't want to have to edit all my images to bring them to reality - I'd rather tweak my camera's settings to get most of the way there ::))... It is definitely true that different brands have different colour science. I'm a Canon girl - IMO noone does skin like Canon. But without camera white balance adjustments the same landscape will look much more vivid out of my husband's Nikon than out of any of my Canons, SLR or P&S - the cameras just weight and process colour differently. General consensus is that Nikon errs cool.

Here's a great example - Canon and Sony OOB.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62990452

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I've had the privilege of having many discussions about both pearls and photography with @yssie and as a professional photographer there are a couple umbrella statements I'd feel OK making:

1) There is no way to ensure a truly accurate photo. A vendor can do everything correctly and accurately, and the brightness on your monitor is different relative to your environment (as just one example), which makes a gem or something look different.

2) Gemstones and especially pearls are extremely difficult to photograph. The only sure way to ever really know what you're getting and if you'll be happy with it is to look in person, or have a trusted person/vendor/appraiser, etc. with a good pair of eyes review possible purchases for you. They should know your standards and expectations. Even still, there is no substitute for seeing something with your own eyes.
 
So I am actually super curious if there is something that let's you analyze the colour of a picture (or a specific potion of the picture).

Like the digital colour meter here


(Only I have nightmares about macs so something android or PC friendly would be so much better =)2)

I actually think itd be cool to apply it to the photos above and see the colours changing on the white background.
 
Photoshop does this, @qubitasaurus on either Mac or PC

Anything slightly more accessible? I feel a bit strange getting subscription software my work pays for and using it to analyse gem photos (also bonus points if it runs on my phone so I can be maximally lazy :lol:).
 
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