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lovemybug

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hi everyone.... i don''t post on here often but i come on here sometimes and read others'' posts and from this i know that you guys give really good advice, which i need!!

i have been married for a little over 2 years. my mother in law issues certainly aren''t the worst anyone has every heard of, but they are tough. i don''t think she even realizes it, but she has control issues and always needs to be in charge.

i realize the situation i am using as an example sounds like it is not that big a deal, but this type of scenario is repeated over and over and that is why it is a problem. this past sunday we had a lot of work to do in the yard at our house, and my husband had asked his dad and brother to come over and help. his mom decided to come along as well. they were there all day, from one in the afternoon until almost midnight. when it came time for dinner, my m-i-l asked me if i wanted her to go pick up pizza or ''i would be happy to cook dinner as well'' (i was not doing the manual labor in the yard so it was not a situation of, if she didn''t cook we wouldn''t be eating. i was very available to make dinner). i feel like, when we go to her house she cooks dinner, so when she comes to our house i should cook dinner. i told her this (nicely), and that i wanted to cook that evening. she said okay, but then would still go out to the grill and check on the chicken, and she also set the table and got out some of the serving dishes, etc. separate example but same night: we had a dog we are watching for a friend this week tied up out in the yard, and she said ''i''m going to go get her.'' i told her the dog was fine where she was, she wasn''t barking and it wasn''t too hot, and she still said, ''yeah well i''m going to go get her anyway.''

i realize she is trying to be helpful, and i know she doesn''t try to be irritating on purpose. but it makes me feel like she doesn''t think that i can handle cooking dinner, so she needs to do it. or that she knows when the dog has been outside too long better than i would and so makes the decision to bring her in. i feel like she thinks she always knows what is better in any situation than i do, she doesn''t respect me or the fact that it''s not her house and just behaves like she would if she were at home. i don''t act like that when i am at her house.

my husband, s-i-l and to a lesser extent b-i-l, all recognize these issues and agree with me on them. the main reason why i feel this needs to be resolved now is that my hubby and i are talking about having kids soon, and we can both see this carrying through to children as well. i don''t want to have my parenting constantly undermined by her saying ''oh i''ll go check on the baby'' or ''what should i make her for lunch?'' and doing what i''m supposed to be doing all the time.

i have read a lot of articles that say in issues dealing with in laws that the spouse who is the child is supposed to address them, instead of the in law. after sunday my husband suggested taking her out to lunch and telling her what she does that bothers me. one part of me thinks this is a good idea, and another part thinks that she will feel attacked (even though i''m sure my hubby would do it very nicely and diplomatically) and get defensive.

how do you guys think is the best way to handle the situation?
 
Definitely get your husband to do the talking.

It's a tricky one - and actually more difficult than if she was just a witch, because she obviously means well.

I am very lucky in my parents/future in laws in that they really respect boundaries, but have had similar issues with ex bf's mothers. Setting boundaries early is a good move and certainly before you have kids.

My sister's MIL is always interfering - she doesn't like the fact that my sister breastfeeds or that she has set routines for the children and does things like get them up when she wants. She also got really jealous that my mother spent 2 weeks with my sister after the birth of her first child and not her. The fact that my sister has very severe depression, had just had a horrific 36 hour labour and a baby with a cleft palate who couldn't feed properly - and my parents are doctors - didn't seem to come into it!
 
Hmmmm... tough one. I do think addressing it would be a good idea, but it all depends on how your hubby phrases it. The aim should be to make her feel like she''s loved and appreciated while getting the message across, and maybe deflecting any possible "blame" away from you. So, e.g., hubby could say something like:

"Ma, I wanted to talk to you about something. Lovemybug really loves you a lot and she''d be so sad to offend you in any way. But I thought that _I_ would say something about this because I so want you two to get along. You offer a lot of advice, and while LMB always appreciates it, sometimes she feels undermined or untrusted or second guessed. It really hurts her feelings, even though she knows you''re only trying to help and appreciates that. Do you think you could try, when you''re at our house, to let LMB do things her way without questioning her? We both know you don''t mean harm, but imagine how you would feel if LMB did that in your house."

Tricky!
 
I would get your Husband to say something to her but you need to put your foot down and set boundaries, otherwise it could get worse, especially when the children arrive and she pokes her nose in all the time with how you are raising them.
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I really think at first your Husband needs to tell her, if this doesn't work then you will have to bite the bullet and be firm. Treating you like a kid in your own home is not on, you might have to limit her visits if she won't listen. Sorry to be blunt, I have seen this first hand and a lot of it here on PS, do nothing and this treatment will continue. If she feels attacked then that is a shame, but she needs to cut the cord and let you guys run your own lives and do things your own way. Or go and rearrange her furniture next time you visit her ( TG 2007)
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Also ETA after reading Deco's post, I think the problem is with the MIL seeming to ignore what LMB says or requests and goes and does it anyway, like bringing the dog in when LMB asked her not to etc.

I wish you luck!

Pandora, I feel for your poor Sister
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Hum. I''m not sure I understand what the "problem" is exactly. Maybe it''s because I am an admitted "control freak"
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Personally -- I don''t think you should interpret her behavior as "not trusting YOU" or thinking she knows better than YOU. Obviously this happens on EVERYONE ELSE''s turf too. It''s how *she* is and I doubt *she* is going to be able to change her ways just to please you no matter how nicely you ask, or WHO does the asking, or how much you fear it will get worse with kids.

I''m kind of of the mindset that we can only truly change how we ourselves REACT to others'' behaviors. We can''t really go around changing everyone else. JMHO.

I would say that *in the moment* it''s fine to say how you feel. I.e. -- "I''m a bit hurt" etc ... but none of the examples you gave above seem to fit that without a huge jump of interpretation. Sounds to me like she just likes to be active and feel busy & helpful + is a bit of a control freak.

Obviously if she stepped over the line later with kids -- or ever -- and you feel hurt or whatever: say it in the moment. "It hurts/bothers/upsets me when you take over my responsibilities without asking me first" WITHOUT accusations about WHY she might be doing that. Just say how it makes you FEEL.

Eh, my 2 cents! Good luck!
 
Lovemybug, I feel for you.

My MIL comes to stay with us for 3 weeks in the spring and 3 weeks in the fall (lives in Europe so visits are long). First couple of years, she would arrive and spend the day at our home reorganizing the kitchen drawers, moving things around in our living room, washing dishes by hand when we have a dishwasher and laying them out to dry all over the kitchen counters, baking cakes every day, and even doing our laundry. I was getting really irritated with her for the same reasons you mentioned, I was taking it as a sign that she didn''t like the way I kept house. DH said that she was trying to be helpful and that it gave her something to do while she was home alone. I told him that when she is with us I consider her a guest, even though she is his Mom, and that her time here should be spent doing fun things, like shopping, going out with us, enjoying the food that we cook for her. So her told her that I felt like she didn''t give me an opportunity to entertain her like I do with all the guests that come to stay with us and that I would much rather she had fun and didn''t act like our housekeeper.

Amazingly, that was all it took. Last time she came she spent all her time out and about, didn''t wash the dishes, didn''t bake, didn''t reorganize anything, didn''t cook at all and even allowed me to leave her lunch in the fridge for her to reheat while we were at work. She enjoyed being taken care of, I was relaxed and we got along so much better than in any other visits.

Granted, when we go visit her at her house her controlling nature takes over and she feels the need to comment on our lives and treat us like we are 5 year olds, but we only go there once a year so I can handle that
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I hear you on the kids, I get chills just thinking about how it will be once we get pregnant, which we are working on right now. I can just hear her telling me how she has a better way of doing everything. She tried to take over our wedding and it was an ordeal but we prevailed and she loved everything about it and had the time of her life.

When all else fails, I try to focus on the fact that the woman raised the most wonderful man in the world and for that I''m very thankful. I know that sharing him with me must not be easy for her because he is a loving, attentive son just like he is a wonderful husband.
 
thank you so much for all the wonderful responses. lorelei, your phrasing is EXACTLY it. i feel like she treats me like a kid in my own house. now that i am thinking of that phrase though, she has always treated my husband and his brother as a younger age than they actually are. adam (my hubby) lived with his parents his whole life (besides college) until we got married, and once while he was still living there and he was about 23 or 24, in a conversation with me my m-i-l referred to herself as a ''full time mom.'' which she clearly wasn''t having kids at that age (his brother is only two years younger than him as well). she used to call adam her ''baby'' until one day he spoke up and said, i''m 26, married and about to buy a house, i don''t think i''m your ''baby''. so i do know that it''s not just me she does this to.

decodelighted, as i said above you are correct that it isn''t only me she does this to and that it is just how she is. i know you can''t change other people, but i was thinking that if she knew how much it bugs me that she would try to be concious of it, which is why i was thinking talking to her would be a good idea. i honestly want to have a good relationship with her, and i would like that to start before the kids come.

regalada, that is exactly how i feel too. when she is in my house i consider her a guest, and while it''s nice of her to offer to cook dinner and wash dishes and take the dogs out whenever they happen to be close to the door (even when i tell her they''ve just been out 20 minutes ago and are fine.... an example i didn''t mention in the first post), it''s like lorelei said. i feel like a 5 year old in my own house who needs someone to take care of things for them.

thank you again, everyone. i think i am going to show this thread to adam and see what he thinks of your suggestions. in the meantime, if you think of anything else that might be helpful please post! thanks,

natalie.
 
What do you do when she does something like get the dog after you asked her not to? Because if it was me, I''d say something like, "No! Please, I asked you to NOT get the dog. I want her to stay there. Thanks so much!" If you just allow her to do what she wants to anyway, then you''re sending mixed messages, IMO. Think of it like training a dog. You have to be very clear and if she doesn''t listen, make sure she knows it''s not okay with you. When she continuously checks the grill, did you tell her, "please, can you leave the grill alone? I prefer how the chicken cooks when the lid isn''t opened and shut all the time..." I know it sounds a bit harsh but if you''re letting her run over you, you''re going to have to be more forceful with her. I agree it could be a problem with your children...so better to nip it now! That said, she sounds like that MIL on "Raymond"! Poor you... OTOH, maybe she just feels useless when she''s at your house and you need to find a task or chore for her to occupy her and make her feel like she''s contributing. A lot of older women feel their place in the home is as home maker and they dont know what to do with themselves at another person''s home...
 
Glad to be able to help! I feel for you as I have experienced it
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and I would get Adam to broach the subject with her. Some Mom's don't know how to let go it seems and it has to be spelled out - butt out ( to a certain extent!
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) If nothing is done, resentment can build, now is an excellent time to be setting boundaries. Maybe she isn't aware what a PITA she is being and once she is pleasantly informed as rega did with her MIL, then it might have the desired effect! I think also pull her up on her behaviour too, if she butts in then pleasantly ask her NOT to go against your wishes, unless she is completely clueless then it might start to sink in that her interference is unwanted and she may desist! After all, she is doing it to you, all is fair with giving her a taste of her own medicine.
 
Date: 7/11/2007 1:17:28 PM
Author: lovemybug
i feel like a 5 year old in my own house who needs someone to take care of things for them.
Clearly you don't NEED someone to take care of things for you ... as you managed to survive 20+ years without her ... and for days & weeks & months at a time between her visits!
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But I do suspect that your particular *interpretation* might be coming from a place of insecurity. If you weren't a *little* afraid of doing things "wrong" or not quickly enough -- her doing them first wouldn't FEEL as threatening or judgemental. JMO.

TOTALLY agree that you should discuss your feelings in a non-confrontational, casual way at the moment. If *that* doesn't work or at least HELP ... then a more serious talk is called for and perhaps your DH is the one who should instigate it.

One thing you mentioned made the whole thing more undertandable to me. She still considers herself a full time "mom" -- though her children are grown & married & off on their own. She has lost her MAIN ROLE and FOCUS and is now floundering trying to busy herself & feel useful. Her ENTIRE IDENTITY has been compromised. Consider how traumatic this might be to her ... and you might see her more as a vulnerable child HERSELF ... rather than the controlling judgemental Monster-In-Law you fear. I hope you're able to discuss your feelings & come to an understanding! And I hope she takes up new interests and gets new focus in her life to help fill the void of the empty nest! ESPECIALLY before you have kids!
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I have a lot to say on this matter, mine IS a witch most of the time but she also does this type of thing too. I look at it like, it is NOT being nice and helpful if you have nicely and clearly stated NO THANK YOU I CAN HANDLE THINGS. It then becomes passive aggressive and about control, about showing you up and plain old NOT LISTENING to you. What YOU want is not material, and even if you say NOT to, she is finding a way to do what she wants anyway. Sort of flipping you a figurative bird if you know what I mean. I have lived with this for 17 years so I know what I am talking about. It is NOT her being nice or helpful, it is her saying, The HECK with my daughter in law. If I want to get the dog, even if she is fine, I will GET THE DOG. I find it very disrespectful of you and your wishes and your home. My mother in law is the ultimate hypocrite because god forbid I dare go in HER house and start doing things that she told me not to...world war three would erupt. And I think it is easy for someone to say, Oh she is just trying to be helpful, but I view it as she is really stepping on you, she knows you can manage and have politely said you have it under control, and with her actions she is undermining that. Good luck, try to set boundaries, hard to do but critical in my opinion...
 
Date: 7/11/2007 2:06:39 PM
Author: diamondfan
I have a lot to say on this matter, mine IS a witch most of the time but she also does this type of thing too. I look at it like, it is NOT being nice and helpful if you have nicely and clearly stated NO THANK YOU I CAN HANDLE THINGS. It then becomes passive aggressive and about control, about showing you up and plain old NOT LISTENING to you. What YOU want is not material, and even if you say NOT to, she is finding a way to do what she wants anyway. Sort of flipping you a figurative bird if you know what I mean. I have lived with this for 17 years so I know what I am talking about. It is NOT her being nice or helpful, it is her saying, The HECK with my daughter in law. If I want to get the dog, even if she is fine, I will GET THE DOG. I find it very disrespectful of you and your wishes and your home. My mother in law is the ultimate hypocrite because god forbid I dare go in HER house and start doing things that she told me not to...world war three would erupt. And I think it is easy for someone to say, Oh she is just trying to be helpful, but I view it as she is really stepping on you, she knows you can manage and have politely said you have it under control, and with her actions she is undermining that. Good luck, try to set boundaries, hard to do but critical in my opinion...
But if you tell her no several times, what do you do if she does what she wants anyway?

LMB: I hope this gets sorted out soon! I have similar issues with my MIL. I think that it takes a while for MIL and wives to learn their way around each other. Best of luck!

*M*
 
Love, I am honestly pretty blunt at this point. I cannot stand being ignored, because I KNOW she hears me and knows what I want and goes against it to be contrary. So now, I just lay it out...I TOLD you to please leave the dog where she is. She is fine. I need you to listen to what I am saying. (If she does not listen, I usually get my hubby to remind her of what is right in our home). I hate to say it is about knowing one''s place, but it sort of boils down to that. I have older women friends with sons and daughters and they all tell me as the mother in law to the son''s wife they plan to be quiet overall, not too opinionated, and that they hope their daughter''s have similar mother in laws too...again, this really boils down to respect. My mother in law would rather get her way or have control than act nicely and be invited because we want her there and enjoy her company. She just wants things on her terms. Just get with your hubby and set some boundaries, try not to pit him against her, but use I statements and express how hurt and upset it makes you. Better now than later!
 
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