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There have been several posts about this topic so I thought I’d share this story for all the women out there who are feeling that their engagement rings are “less than” other people’s, that perhaps their fiancé held back too much, and that other people are going to judge them because their fiancé didn’t get the biggest diamond. Okay, here goes, this is the story of my great diamond debacle.



Eighteen years ago, my husband and I moved in together. We had a wonderful courtship and he was so loving and affectionate and unlike anyone I had ever been involved with. We were very compatable and enjoyed the same things and "got" each other''s humor. He was divorced and I had never been married. He had a very miserable marriage that ended after five years. He was very reticent to get remarried, but said he felt I was “the one for him.” I was crazy about him and still love him deeply now.



The day we moved my things into his house with his parents'' help, my mother, who had told me she was all for the two of us moving in together, made an announcement in front of my husband’s parents. She said that if he didn’t think enough to marry me, she didn’t see much future in the relationship. It was totally unexpected and utterly humiliating. In fact, that single act set the tone for many years of insecurity (on my part) and a not very good beginning with my in-laws (go Mom -- NOT).



After several months of the cold shoulder from my family I pressed my husband to buy an engagement ring. At least that way everyone would know he was serious about me. So we started to do some research (by 1988 standards) and I mentioned the two month salary “rule.” His reaction stunned me and I never mentioned it again, fearing that he would perceive my desire for a nicely sized diamond as gold digging or something like that. I got a pretty ring. But it was VERY much smaller than I would have liked. At the same time I had two co-workers who got engaged and they each got over a carat and they were, 1) younger than I, and 2) their fiancés seemed less successful than mine. One of them even commented to me in a snooty tone that her “fiancé would never think of getting less than a carat.” And here I was with a 33 pointer that could not even be seen clearly in our wedding photos (the close up of the hands). So it got planted in my mind that I had settled for a ring that told the world that my fiancé was reluctant to marry me and that I wasn’t very valuable to him.



A few months after our wedding I upgraded the center stone. I paid for the upgrade myself.



A few years later I bought a 1.5 carat CZ and had it set in a two tone 14k setting.



A few years later I went back to wearing my upgraded wedding set.

In all this time, my husband has never treated me with disrespect, never cheated on me, never raised a hand to me, and seldom raised his voice to me. Wouldn''t you think that would be enough? Well, aparently not for me. I was still insecure about my wedding set, of all things.

For our 15 year anniversary I found my current setting. I put it in layaway, but when I showed it to my husband he paid for it and we set my long ago upgraded center stone in it. I should have left it alone right there, but I didn''t. Along the way we had found an oval and we decided to put that in the setting. It was 1.14 carats. Then I found a 2.0 carat pear and decided to sell the oval and get that. I had it for several years and I realized a few things.



Having a large diamond did not make anyone think my husband loved me any more than they thought he loved me when I had my previous rings. All they had to do was see how he treats me to know how he feels. However, since we have kids and money is an issue that it was not before, perhaps they may have thought *I* was selfish for spending money on myself that could have been spent more wisely elsewhere.



I found that a lot of WEALTHY women I met did not own large diamonds, and it began to feel very ostentatious to wear such a large diamond.



I had had to sacrifice a certain amount of quality to get the large diamond and I became dissatisfied with it. I spent money having it set in several different settings to come to that conclusion.



Both of those co-workers who had originally gotten the big diamonds had had some serious tragedies in their lives. One lost a toddler to a childhood illness and the other never married the fiancé that got her that big diamond. So having a big diamond does not ensure you will have a golden marriage and a life without challenges, heartache and tragedy.



I’m sick about the money I spent to come to the conclusion that a bigger diamond did not make me feel the way I thought it was going to make me feel. In the end I traded the big pear in on a much smaller, much better quality diamond and put it in my current setting. I feel so much better about it and I don’t feel awkward about wearing my ring in front of people who know we aren’t rolling in money, and at the same time, it is as beautiful as anything I''ve ever come across in real life, so I''m not feeling my ring is "less than" anyone else''s.



I don’t know if my story will help those of you who are feeling badly about your diamonds, but I hope it will (especially since this story is something I could never bear to tell people in my real life -- I would honestly be too ashamed). Having a smaller diamond than your friend does not mean your fiancé loves you less than hers loves her, or values you less. Honestly, the only thing it means is that she has a bigger diamond. Period. Do some honest soul searching and really think about your relationship. There may be a ton of reasons why they felt the need for such a large diamond – family pressure, maybe they actually do have a lot more disposable income, maybe they know or are related to someone in the diamond industry, and maybe (unfortunately) the relationship isn''t that solid and they are compensating. Or maybe, just maybe, they have overextended just to compete with the Jones. I just hope you won’t come full circle like I have and regret spending money needlessly only to find out that a diamond, though really beautiful and maybe a passion, is really just a rock, and size is nice, but having a really nice diamond that is smaller than other women’s is still very wonderful and really okay.
 
Very eloquently said, Lumpkin!
 
Oh Lumkin--good for you for figuring this all out! Some day I will get there too, LOL!
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Date: 10/13/2006 10:29:11 PM
Author:lumpkin
I’m sick about the money I spent to come to the conclusion that a bigger diamond did not make me feel the way I thought it was going to make me feel.
Thank you for sharing that :) I could relate to so much of what you said right NOW since I just did get the big diamond and in some ways am already regretting it. Since I want the big diamond for the tricks it does and not so much for a fashion statement I really am not interested in any other diamond but I''m just going to have to figure a way to reconcile it. Ostentatious nails it for me. I HATE that and I don''t want to play into that at all, even if my motives are different. No one else knows that. Ugh. I''m so conflicted!!! I am lucky that I don''t attrbute my husband''s love with the size of the diamond. I think the long wait eliminated that. It showed *HIM* that I loved him enough to not ned a diamond at all :) As for how you feel sick about it, I think it''s just one of those lessons in life... if all it cost is $$ then it was cheap!! :)
 
There is an important lesson to learn here:

Diamonds are just diamonds, not love, not affection, friends, or happiness...and although I love em, they are just diamonds.

Thanks for your important words.
 
Date: 10/13/2006 11:09:18 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 10/13/2006 10:29:11 PM
Author:lumpkin
I’m sick about the money I spent to come to the conclusion that a bigger diamond did not make me feel the way I thought it was going to make me feel.
Thank you for sharing that :) I could relate to so much of what you said right NOW since I just did get the big diamond and in some ways am already regretting it. Since I want the big diamond for the tricks it does and not so much for a fashion statement I really am not interested in any other diamond but I''m just going to have to figure a way to reconcile it. Ostentatious nails it for me. I HATE that and I don''t want to play into that at all, even if my motives are different. No one else knows that. Ugh. I''m so conflicted!!! I am lucky that I don''t attrbute my husband''s love with the size of the diamond. I think the long wait eliminated that. It showed *HIM* that I loved him enough to not ned a diamond at all :) As for how you feel sick about it, I think it''s just one of those lessons in life... if all it cost is $$ then it was cheap!! :)
Oh, C! You know, I think you are absolutely right when you say I''m lucky that all it cost me was money!

Also, I hope this did not come across as some preachy, "Oh, look at me I''m so evolved now" kind of thing. I would never want it to sound that I don''t appreciate a big, gorgeous diamond, because I DO, LOL! And I would never judge someone because they want one, can afford one, and wear one. I''m really happy you finally got yours and can''t wait to see it set. And most of all I want you to NOT be conflicted and enjoy it fully.

The thing I''m really trying to relate is that some of us get really carried away and lose perspective on all this. I think it is just such a shame that some or any of us have ever felt badly about the gift we received from our fiances when we were getting engaged, or that we''ve ever allowed someone else''s comments to make us feel regretful or ashamed of whatever we have, regardless of whether the comment was "It''s too big" or "It''s too small." What a shame it''s such a bone of contention. It should not be, because after all, it''s just a freakin'' rock! (That we all enjoy here on this board, LOL!)
 
Date: 10/14/2006 1:39:23 AM
Author: lumpkin

Oh, C! You know, I think you are absolutely right when you say I''m lucky that all it cost me was money!

Also, I hope this did not come across as some preachy, ''Oh, look at me I''m so evolved now'' kind of thing. I would never want it to sound that I don''t appreciate a big, gorgeous diamond, because I DO, LOL! And I would never judge someone because they want one, can afford one, and wear one. I''m really happy you finally got yours and can''t wait to see it set. And most of all I want you to NOT be conflicted and enjoy it fully.

The thing I''m really trying to relate is that some of us get really carried away and lose perspective on all this. I think it is just such a shame that some or any of us have ever felt badly about the gift we received from our fiances when we were getting engaged, or that we''ve ever allowed someone else''s comments to make us feel regretful or ashamed of whatever we have, regardless of whether the comment was ''It''s too big'' or ''It''s too small.'' What a shame it''s such a bone of contention. It should not be, because after all, it''s just a freakin'' rock! (That we all enjoy here on this board, LOL!)
Yeah, some lessons are VERY hard earned
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And no, you absolutely don''t sound preachy, ut you do sound evolved - and that''s a GOOD thing!! The whole point is that it isn''t *what* is on your hand, but how you feel about it. And how you feel about it shouldn''t have *anything* to do with how you feel about your husband, your marriage, or what you think he feels for you.

I felt conflicted before these threads popped up - you can always tell if something is affecting me cause I start to babble LOL I am such a casual person.... the plain gold band look is really *me* but I do love my diamond - not because of status or because it proves love or someting, but because I love how it reacts to light. I don''t regret the purchase but it''s gonna take time before I feel totally casual in it. I do have a plan on how to deal with the bling, but its a surprise for all of you guys.... hehehe so you''ll have to wait! (just popped in to my head to say I was going to distract everyone from the 2+ bling on the left hand by putting 5+ bling on my right!!! bahahaha) I''m not too affected by others'' comments, I already feel this way and its actually the words of those who are unhappy with 1 carat stones that I feel worse about than any comment someone could say about my stone being too big. I guess I don''t want to be a part of the culture that arouses competition about stone size. I dunno, lots of conflict and tons of thoughts... I''m sure once I have it I''ll get used to it... it''s just weird to go from zero to 2.7 in a ::snap:: yanno? no middle ground here either ROFL!!
 
my hubby and i did the best we could, at the time, with my tiny quarter carat. At the time I wasn't "into" diamonds and couldn't see what the fuss was about. I didn't "get" how good the stone was. I ignored the size comments by co-workers. I married a wonderful man who loves me and is a good provider.

i wore that ring for ten years, destroying the setting in the process. gardening, sewing, not cleaning it, hardened gunk and crud on and under the stone. weakened prongs going every direction.

One day I was in the houston texas medical center, riding the parking shuttle bus. There was an MD wearing the prettiest brilliant round 10-20 pointer set really high in a 4 prong dainty yellow gold solitaire setting, platinum head. It looked extremely classy. Gleaming and sparkilng in the sun. I gawked at this woman's tiny stone all the way down fannin street.

Then I looked down at my stone. yuck. Moment of awakening.

Thus began my love for diamonds.

I reset my stone (and had it cleaned) into a fresh identical setting. I relearned how good this stone was. i bought a book about diamonds. i started reading this website. i was like a sponge taking in information, asking friends about their stones, i noticed that i really like the liz taylor 1950-1960 ballerina look and 1950-1960 pears.

I asked hubby if I could upgrade my stone. His lip began to quiver. i quickly dropped the subject.

I went pawn shopping. One day i found the pear in the avatar. I went back and went back. the man made an offer of 2000. i whipped out the debit card and never regretted it. Hubby never said a word.

I wear them side by side on my left hand. i have no stats on either. from memory the little one is colorless an e-f ? and used to be VS-ish before i hit it with the shovel. I can see arrows clearly, it has good cut. the pear is estimated as 1.25 carat by caliper measurement.

i went through several settings on the little one before I quit destroying the prongs. Now I have platinum prongs. the little one in the picture is not the current head.

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LK - I love your original wedding band!!! It looks like it has flat parts buffed into the gold... am I seeing things? I love it!!
 
Lumpkin, thank you for this. It puts everything in perspective.
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lumpkin, that is one of the most moving posts i''ve read here at pricescope. thanks for sharing this life lesson.

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Thanks for sharing!
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Wow Lumpkin, you said a lot of things I was kind of afraid to say or didn''t quite know how to put into words. Great post!
 
Lumpkin,
I am glad you said that. I think it was well thought out and tactfully worded. I know it took courage to "say" that and I hope it reaches the right audience. I am very touched by your sentiment. Thanks for sharing, Mokey
 
Thank you for reading my post and responding. I have a feeling that many women have misgivings about their e-rings and what they mean to the man who bought it for them and to others who see it. Diamonds should just be enjoyed, not stressed over.
 
Date: 10/14/2006 12:02:45 AM
Author: kcoursolle
There is an important lesson to learn here:

Diamonds are just diamonds, not love, not affection, friends, or happiness...and although I love em, they are just diamonds.

Thanks for your important words.
Yep. Exactly.
 
This kind of reminds me of something I figured out too. I can be totally lusting after a certain material item (and I am, almost always, LOL!) but once I get the item, it''s not the "AHA" moment I thought. I enjoy the item, but anything else in my life (work stress, other stress, etc) is still exactly the same - having the new purse or the new bling or whatever does not change my life overall. I''m not saying it nearly as well as you did, but I think I understand what you are saying.
 
Date: 10/14/2006 7:54:12 PM
Author: lumpkin
Thank you for reading my post and responding. I have a feeling that many women have misgivings about their e-rings and what they mean to the man who bought it for them and to others who see it. Diamonds should just be enjoyed, not stressed over.
yes and we can be happy and content with what we have.
 
THAT IS WHY EVERYONE SHOULD GET A GEMSTONE!!! No Diamond envy at all here...
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So strange. After some ring drama, I ended up with a 2 3/4 cttw princess three stone ring. It seemed HUGE when all said and done and I was THRILLED. Then I saw someone else''s 2 1/2 ct radiant solitaire and it was MASSIVE. I started DREAMING Of HUGE solitaires and feeling sad. Then I ran across the pear thread and HAD to have one-knowing there was no way in hell we could afford a huge pear. I took a chance on ebay and SCORE I found a 1.25 carat that faces up as almost a 1 1/2! I am STILL waiting on the setting! I thought I would be done w/ diamonds then because I will have one for each hand.. Then I saw the eternity band thread and thought how cute one would be with my pear! Then this weekend I saw this woman with a FABULOUS 5cttw tennis bracelet and fell in LOVE.. I started reading these threads and wondered is there EVER a point when a person is CONTENT with their bling? There are a MILLION and one upgrades on this sites by people who have WAY more bling and MONEY then I could even DREAM of and they seem to ALWAYS be looking for MORE. Right now I say I dont'' want amymore than I could wear all at once because I think I would be sad leaving "friends" behind in the jewerly box!
 
Date: 10/14/2006 12:23:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra
LK - I love your original wedding band!!! It looks like it has flat parts buffed into the gold... am I seeing things? I love it!!
thank you! it was (is) an "art carved" ring. A long time ago, the medieval-ish looking facets were crisp and clean.

i am happy with my original tiny ring, and wonder, aghast, at the huge expectations of some of the young'uns on here.

My personal belief is that large diamonds should be earned later in life, when they will be appreciated more for the hard work that went into earning them.

bracing for the fall out.
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Date: 10/15/2006 12:07:42 PM
Author: sistagrl2004
So strange. After some ring drama, I ended up with a 2 3/4 cttw princess three stone ring. It seemed HUGE when all said and done and I was THRILLED. Then I saw someone else's 2 1/2 ct radiant solitaire and it was MASSIVE. I started DREAMING Of HUGE solitaires and feeling sad. Then I ran across the pear thread and HAD to have one-knowing there was no way in hell we could afford a huge pear. I took a chance on ebay and SCORE I found a 1.25 carat that faces up as almost a 1 1/2! I am STILL waiting on the setting! I thought I would be done w/ diamonds then because I will have one for each hand.. Then I saw the eternity band thread and thought how cute one would be with my pear! Then this weekend I saw this woman with a FABULOUS 5cttw tennis bracelet and fell in LOVE.. I started reading these threads and wondered is there EVER a point when a person is CONTENT with their bling? There are a MILLION and one upgrades on this sites by people who have WAY more bling and MONEY then I could even DREAM of and they seem to ALWAYS be looking for MORE. Right now I say I dont' want amymore than I could wear all at once because I think I would be sad leaving 'friends' behind in the jewerly box!
i go through moments of wanting more, and days of wanting more. i stare at my little stone all day long.

still, i have "collector tendencies" like m bijoux. i like a good find. or earning a layaway. very satisfying.
 
Date: 10/15/2006 1:41:45 PM
Author: ladykemma
i am happy with my original tiny ring, and wonder, aghast, at the huge expectations of some of the young''uns on here. My personal belief is that large diamonds should be earned later in life, when they will be appreciated more for the hard work that went into earning them.

I appreciate the message of this thread in general, and agree that it''s great to have this perspective come to light ... BUT .... I think we should go easy on the young''uns.
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They don''t have all the benefit of hindsight & experience & material things not being life changing, or AA, or years of therapy, etc etc.

I wonder "aghast" from time to time over the seemingly insatiable drive for more, bigger, better etc from some more mature souls ... especially when it''s peppered with other big-ticket status symbols ... and log ons/posts that are limited to "grand unveilings" of new items without any, um, mutual admiration, let''s say.
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Said young''uns aren''t the only one with priorities that differ from my own.
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Date: 10/15/2006 1:41:45 PM
Author: ladykemma

Date: 10/14/2006 12:23:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra
LK - I love your original wedding band!!! It looks like it has flat parts buffed into the gold... am I seeing things? I love it!!
thank you! it was (is) an ''art carved'' ring. A long time ago, the medieval-ish looking facets were crisp and clean.

i am happy with my original tiny ring, and wonder, aghast, at the huge expectations of some of the young''uns on here.

My personal belief is that large diamonds should be earned later in life, when they will be appreciated more for the hard work that went into earning them.

bracing for the fall out.
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I didn''t post to judge the ladies who are unhappy with their engagement rings. I TOTALLY empathize. My only goal was to let them know they may be losing perspective.

Incidentally, I have known occasions where I was truly appalled by someone''s e-ring. One of my son''s friend''s moms just got engaged. She also pressed for an engagement. While they were running errands he left her in the car to go into a discount department store in a strip mall. He came back with a cheap, poor quality ring and tossed it to her in the box and bag, saying, "Well, there ya go. Now you can quit hassling me about it." In such a case, I''d have a tendency to say, "Ah, NO, I don''t think so." Quality and size aside, the presentation in itself says, "Don''t walk, RUN AWAY!!!!" So, sometimes, it is better NOT to be content and the ring does speak volumes about the dynamics of the relationship.
 
Date: 10/15/2006 1:41:45 PM
Author: ladykemma

Date: 10/14/2006 12:23:09 PM
Author: Cehrabehra
LK - I love your original wedding band!!! It looks like it has flat parts buffed into the gold... am I seeing things? I love it!!
thank you! it was (is) an ''art carved'' ring. A long time ago, the medieval-ish looking facets were crisp and clean.

i am happy with my original tiny ring, and wonder, aghast, at the huge expectations of some of the young''uns on here.

My personal belief is that large diamonds should be earned later in life, when they will be appreciated more for the hard work that went into earning them.

bracing for the fall out.
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oh gosh no!! Okay here''s a story I''ve been saving for a rainy day and since it''s raining...

Okay I''m at my jewelers and this girl with tons of makeup comes in, very heavy and very pretty... she wants to look at settings because she''s ordered a tiffany ring that is 2 carats and she wants to trade the setting out... says her boyfriend is in a band and an MTV host (mind you this is suburban portland oregon lol) who has a record coming out next month and how lucky she is that she can get two carats right away and i laughed and said, "If you wait 15 years you can get 3 carats!" and she laughed back and said oh I can''t wait that long, who knows how long the marriage will last, gotta ride the wave"... and I said, boy if I felt that way I wouldn''t be getting married... she laughed again and said something about being young... I didn''t know whether to pity her or smack her!!! ON the one hand she''s telling the truth and is bragging about having NO respect for marriage... and on the other it''s all (and this is more likely) a lie and she feels she has to create a big crazy story to justify looking at some bling. But why an MTV VJ? LOL!!

about your comment about appreciating it more - you''re right about that I think, but getting it when you''re younger and more naive about it makes it a little less painful to blow the money in a way LOL
 
lumpkin, good food for thought.
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I thought your story was great, Lumpkin! I think it''s easy to get sucked into wanting bigger, bigger, bigger, and more.
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