Naturals on Jedi spinel

[Jopdrop]

Hi all, I am looking for a pair of Jedi spinel for my engagement ring. I have found a pair that I love. The pair is around 2.5ct, they are the perfect size for me. However one stone has 4 naturals that have been left on the pavilion and girdle. The other stone has one natural that has been left on the pavilion only. Other than this the pair has very good clarity for the material.
The seller has assured me that none of these provide a durability issue. I know that this material is exceedingly rare so perfect stones cannot be expected. I just wanted to check that leaving so many naturals is an accepted practice for this stone.

 

[CBianco]

Hi all, I am looking for a pair of Jedi spinel for my engagement ring. I have found a pair that I love. The pair is around 2.5ct, they are the perfect size for me. However one stone has 4 naturals that have been left on the pavilion and girdle. The other stone has one natural that has been left on the pavilion only. Other than this the pair has very good clarity for the material.
The seller has assured me that none of these provide a durability issue. I know that this material is exceedingly rare so perfect stones cannot be expected. I just wanted to check that leaving so many naturals is an accepted practice for this stone.

Hi there! I think this is not uncommon for the burmese jedi material. The ring in my avatar has a few tiny naturals around the girdle and one on the pavilion side. I have another neon pink from mansin that has 3 naturals on the girdle. They leave those in to preserve size and weight.

I think as long as they're not too visible and the ones on the pavilion aren't visible face up it'll be okay, unless you're willing to shell out a ridiculously high price for perfection (if that exists, and even rarer in pairs).

We would love to see some pics of what you're interested in, if that's okay with you!

 

[Jopdrop]

Hi there! I think this is not uncommon for the burmese jedi material. The ring in my avatar has a few tiny naturals around the girdle and one on the pavilion side. I have another neon pink from mansin that has 3 naturals on the girdle. They leave those in to preserve size and weight.

I think as long as they're not too visible and the ones on the pavilion aren't visible face up it'll be okay, unless you're willing to shell out a ridiculously high price for perfection (if that exists, and even rarer in pairs).

We would love to see some pics of what you're interested in, if that's okay with you!

Thank you, I had assumed that was the case but just wanted to be sure. It looks like one of the naturals is visible face up and looks like a small chip on the girdle. I guess I have to decide if that is going to bother me or not.

This is the pair in question.

 

[voce]

I wouldn't let it bother you. As you stated, the naturals were on the girdle and pavilion, which will probably not be visible once you set them. I remember being dismayed my spinel had a nick in the crown itself, but I actually don't find it even noticeable and will probably need a loupe to find that natural.

 

[Jopdrop]

I wouldn't let it bother you. As you stated, the naturals were on the girdle and pavilion, which will probably not be visible once you set them. I remember being dismayed my spinel had a nick in the crown itself, but I actually don't find it even noticeable and will probably need a loupe to find that natural.

Thank you, the ones that I can’t see once it is set don’t bother me. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t overpaying for something like this. The only one that might bother me is the one that is visible face up. The vendor is going to take another video showing that area so I can get a better look.

Here are some of the videos I have at the moment. I don’t think these are top Jedis, but I do love the vivid red these have. I requested some photos of the stones looking their worst and I have included those too.

https://imgur.com/a/QIBb6WY

https://imgur.com/a/yD564y6

 

[Avondale]

To be fair, I'm not sure I would consider these to be jedi in the first place. Beautiful and fluorescent red spinels - yes. Jedi? Ummm... Not quite.

I think this is the more important consideration when debating price because jedi material is, in fact, extremely rare and commands very high prices, which, in turn, is the reason why many spinels which are not jedi are sold as jedi. Just as it is with any other trade name for colour.

 

[voce]

Now that I've seen the pair of spinels in the stills with the gray background, I can also say with certainty that I do not consider them Jedi. Jedi spinel needs to be so fluorescent that their color is so even that you can't see dark areas. I clearly do see half and half shadowing when the spinels are not in direct light.

 

[CBianco]

I recognize the vendor, but have never bought from them. The pair is described as neon red spinels and he doesn't seem to label any of his spinels as jedi. The last 2 times I asked him for a quote his prices were on the higher side, though idk if it's because all neon colored spinels have gone up. Just make sure you are okay and comfortable with the price.

These do look like they have more darker areas in the stone than ideal. It can be due to the cut or the material itself. I think elongated cuts are more prone to this effect than square cushions.

The top and most fluorescent jedi's are very rare even over 1ct, so to be able to get a matching pair of 1.xct each is very unlikely. They are seldomly eye clean too. I think these are just very beautiful neon red, as described.

 

[ShinyPleeease]

I have bought from this vendor before and personally had a good experience. I’ve posted a picture of the ring I got from him as well as vendor photos if you want to check those out. FWIW, I also don’t think this pair qualifies as Jedi but they are beautiful and a pretty good match as a pair. This vendor is on the pricier end, so I’d also encourage you to shop around, but I know neon red spinel pairs are extremely rare, let alone in this size!

Edited to add: like it has already been pointed out, this vendor doesn’t call these Jedi, but neon red. In my experience, this vendor does a good job disclosing any potential issues with his gems and doesn’t misrepresent

 

[Rfisher]

Even though it’s super hard to find a matching pair, I think the possibility of these two having a different color shift in other non natural lighting would bug me more than a couple naturals, especially for a ring, especially if a premium is paid .

Accepting a couple pavilion (hopefully very localized) naturals would be acceptable to me if they really were the matching pair I was looking for.

whether it’s Jedi or not has already been addressed.
Jedi pricing vs neon red in a sizeable pair….. whether it’s overpaying or not, as your question is, really depends on what else can it be compared to that’s available?

 

[lovedogs]

These arent jedi, IMHO

 

[Jopdrop]

Sorry, I should have mentioned that in the first post too. I messaged the seller looking for a Jedi pair however this was all they had. They said that the two main labs that grade these would call them Jedi however they just barely miss out on his definition of Jedi. That is the other main consideration for me, working out if I like the saturation enough in the lower light.

I have had a very hard time finding pairs, this has been the only pair that I have found that have stones above 1ct. The other pair that I have been looking at are this pair. They are in the Jedi section, however they are not labeled Jedi in the listing.

Red Spinel Mansin (Mogok) 1.49 cts / 2 pcs

Stone type: SpinelWeight: 1.49 cts / 2 pcsDimension: 5.27 x 4.97 x 3.75 mm, 5.26 x 4.97 x 3.63 mmColor: RedShape & Cut: Cushion, Yavorskyy cut Treatment: Unheated and Untreated (No Indications Observed)Refractive Index: 1.712-1.782 Hardness: 7.5-8Specific Gravity: 3.6Optical properties: Singly...

yavorskyy.com

 

[Jopdrop]

I’ve received another video and some photos and there is a natural that can easily be seen on the girdle from above. It was missed earlier because that spot isn’t easy to see in a lot of the videos or the sellers fingers were holding that spot.
I would rather a smaller pair that doesn’t have a visible flaw like that.
What do you all think of the pair I linked above? Or does anyone have any other recommendations? Either Jedi or a neon red.

 

[voce]

I’ve received another video and some photos and there is a natural that can easily be seen on the girdle from above. It was missed earlier because that spot isn’t easy to see in a lot of the videos or the sellers fingers were holding that spot.
I would rather a smaller pair that doesn’t have a visible flaw like that.
What do you all think of the pair I linked above? Or does anyone have any other recommendations? Either Jedi or a neon red.

I love the pair you linked above from Yavorsky.

 

[Neptune]

I have had a very hard time finding pairs, this has been the only pair that I have found that have stones above 1ct. The other pair that I have been looking at are this pair. They are in the Jedi section, however they are not labeled Jedi in the listing.

Red Spinel Mansin (Mogok) 1.49 cts / 2 pcs

Stone type: SpinelWeight: 1.49 cts / 2 pcsDimension: 5.27 x 4.97 x 3.75 mm, 5.26 x 4.97 x 3.63 mmColor: RedShape & Cut: Cushion, Yavorskyy cut Treatment: Unheated and Untreated (No Indications Observed)Refractive Index: 1.712-1.782 Hardness: 7.5-8Specific Gravity: 3.6Optical properties: Singly...

yavorskyy.com

Might not be exactly what you're after...I'm wondering if the video is more realistic and a bit of mismatch.

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[Jopdrop]

I love the pair you linked above from Yavorsky.

Thank you, it was the best trade off I could find between colour, clarity and size.
If Yavorsky is calling these Jedis would you trust that they definitely are? I have requested a video of them but haven’t heard back yet.

Might not be exactly what you're after...I'm wondering if the video is more realistic and a bit of mismatch.

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Thank you for that. I can’t watch the video for some reason. Judging from the photos though these will be darker in person and I think the large tilt windows would bother me for sidestones. I think I can see the difference in colour you mention too in the first photo.

 

[voce]

Thank you, it was the best trade off I could find between colour, clarity and size.
If Yavorsky is calling these Jedis would you trust that they definitely are? I have requested a video of them but haven’t heard back yet.



Thank you for that. I can’t watch the video for some reason. Judging from the photos though these will be darker in person and I think the large tilt windows would bother me for sidestones. I think I can see the difference in colour you mention too in the first photo.

Imo the left one is Jedi, and the right one is neon red. Yavorskyy, as any business, would market them however suits their profit. It's not a perfect matched pair, but then again I don't think for something such as an engagement ring you'd want to wait too long to find the perfect match. Is there a reason you're insisting on Jedi and not merely a nice red?

 

[Jopdrop]

Imo the left one is Jedi, and the right one is neon red. Yavorskyy, as any business, would market them however suits their profit. It's not a perfect matched pair, but then again I don't think for something such as an engagement ring you'd want to wait too long to find the perfect match. Is there a reason you're insisting on Jedi and not merely a nice red?

Yes I noticed they weren’t perfectly matched. Close enough is fine for me though, I know a perfect match in this material is very difficult.
A nice red is fine too but I would prefer something that looks bright in all, or almost all lighting conditions because I will be wearing it everyday.
I also do have a fair few red and pinkish red spinel in my collection so it would be nice to have something different as well. I do have one small stone that would qualify for Jedi colour but the clarity is awful. There is a large surface reaching feather that goes right through the centre of the table.

 

[Jopdrop]

Here is the video of the pair. I’ve asked for clarification as to what lighting the video was shot in.

https://imgur.com/a/5iOQxEI

 

[voce]

Here is the video of the pair. I’ve asked for clarification as to what lighting the video was shot in.

https://imgur.com/a/5iOQxEI

Looks like diffused indirect light. They look close enough face up to my eyes. I'm surprised there's that inclusion they kept in the right stone, doesn't seem to affect the face up view but for some makes it not a mind-clean gem.

 

[Jopdrop]

I decided not to get the Yavorskyy, the video is shot in indirect natural light and I would want something that is brighter under those conditions.
Considering how difficult it is to find a pair in this material I have bought 2 stones from Higems. I have spoken to a couple of professionals and from what they can see so far it is very likely that the larger stone can be cut to match the size and colour of the smaller stone close enough to consider them a pair. Worst case the window gets closed and I have 2 beautiful stones that don’t match. The two that I am buying are the two cushions. The smaller one is 0.85ct 5x4.8mm and the larger is 1.25 6.5x5.6mm.

 

[voce]

I guess you're changing your design, since the cushions you bought have a notable size difference? The HiGems spinels do not look brighter to my eyes from the photo, just more pinkish.

 

[JewelledEscalators]

@ShinyPleeease, what is the stone in your photo? I love the flourescence!

 

[JewelledEscalators]

I love the first pair of spinels, gorgeous colour.

 

[Rfisher]

Will you ever down the road regret cutting the 1.25 to match the .85?

I can understand why one would want to though - fortune favors the bold.

 

[ShinyPleeease]

@ShinyPleeease, what is the stone in your photo? I love the flourescence!

Thank you! It’s an almost 6-carat hot pink spinel (also from HiGems!)

 

[CBianco]

Thank you! It’s an almost 6-carat hot pink spinel (also from HiGems!)

Holy moly we need more pics!!!

 

[Jopdrop]

I guess you're changing your design, since the cushions you bought have a notable size difference? The HiGems spinels do not look brighter to my eyes from the photo, just more pinkish.

Hopefully the larger stone will be recut to match the smaller stone. The look to be a lot more neon, to the point that even in indirect sunlight they become a bit hazy due to the fluorescence.

Will you ever down the road regret cutting the 1.25 to match the .85?

I can understand why one would want to though - fortune favors the bold.

I don’t think so, the 1.25ct is cut quite shallow and has a large window. I will see what the lapidary thinks once they have it in hand. If they can recut it to remove the window and keep it above 1ct then I may feel differently.

 

[ShinyPleeease]

Holy moly we need more pics!!!

Here are some pics in different lighting! The spinel has quite a few inclusions (only way I was able to afford something this size, lol) but they aren’t distracting straight on. The color is nice and vibrant under bright light and is a bit purplish under lower lighting. Fluorescence is just as strong as my most neon spinels. There is a cute rainbow inclusion when viewed from the side.

Sorry for the thread jack OP! Your Jedi spinels from HiGems are lovely and I hope they work out for your project!

 

[CBianco]

Here are some pics in different lighting! The spinel has quite a few inclusions (only way I was able to afford something this size, lol) but they aren’t distracting straight on. The color is nice and vibrant under bright light and is a bit purplish under lower lighting. Fluorescence is just as strong as my most neon spinels. There is a cute rainbow inclusion when viewed from the side.

Sorry for the thread jack OP! Your Jedi spinels from HiGems are lovely and I hope they work out for your project!

It's lovely, I absolutely love that color!!! Higems has some great stock and at decent prices too