Need Advice on 1.41 F VS2 EX EX

[Basileia]

Hi guys,

Went to see a wholesaler in NYC today.
and got need your opinion on some of these rocks.


1.41Ct
Diameter 7.22
60.4 Depth
59.1 Table
Cutlet 1%
Girdle Min 1.2
GIrdle Max 2.4
Girdle Avg 1.8
Color F
Sym EX
Pol EX
Flor None
Cla VS2
GIA Cert

$9411

 

[niceice]

Crown angle?
Pavilion angle?

Nobody can tell you a thing without those two very important pieces of the puzzle...

 

[james100]

Hi,
Just to let you know that I bought a similar stone online , i.e. a 1.39F VS2 RB H&A from GOG for $10,200. The full details of this diamond is on the website( visit the educational diamonds section). Hopefully this gives you a better idea on the price that you are paying for your stone.

But you need to check out on the quality of the cut!

 

[Basileia]

BTW:

Crown Angle 34.6
Pavil Angle 40.4

 

[Basileia]

BTW:

Crown Angle 34.6
Pavil Angle 40.4

 

[Mara]

Hi there...from the info given the stone sounds very nice! I think the price is excellent for a GIA certed 1.41c F VS2...plus the HCA gives this diamond a 1.1 EX EX EX VG scoring which is very nice indeed. Did you see the stone, love it with your eyes? The numbers look pretty good, would get a final opinion from an independent appraiser within your return policy period and then rest easy!

Congrats on a good eye

Post pictures if you get the stone.

 

[Tim]

NiceIce,

GIA certificates don't have the crown and pavilion angles. Is it a lot of trouble for the vendor to get those angles. Do they have to get a Sarin report to give you these angles? What range should these angles be in?

Thanks for your help,

Tim

 

[Mara]

Tim..it actually should not be alot of trouble to get those angles--if they have access to a Sarin. They may not have one, but they may know a jeweler who does. Nowadays it seems that Sarins are more popular, I would not buy a stone without one--esp because it gives you the crucial angles and confirms what the cert says. Sarins are around $10--I would ensure the jeweler gets you the Sarin info or no sale!

 

[Tim]

Mara,

"They may not have one, but they may know a jeweler who does."

Do you mean that the jeweller may have a Sarin machine or a Sarin report? I guess he doesn't have either one since he only presented me with a GIA certificate. How long does it usually take to get a Sarin report?

Mara, Do you think laser inscription is important too? With one, I don't have to worry when I take it a setter or an appraiser. The jeweller offer to have in laser engraved.

Thanks again,

Tim

 

[Mara]

Laser engraving IMO is a 'nice to have' but wouldn't make a decision for me at all on a stone. Sure it's nice when you take it to a setter or appraiser or even to have it cleaned in the future, but the chances of stone switching is very small nowadays. One way for you to ensure that its your stone is to find your inclusions (as long as its not VVS!) under a 10x loupe, and use that as your 'marker' so that you know your stone is YOURS. If the jeweler offered and you want it, sure..why not. But I also wouldn't pay extra for it.

If the jeweler does not have a Sarin machine, he should know someone who does. He can run the stone through and give you the info. Many people have come on here saying they couldn't get a Sarin, but when pressed, the jeweler found a way to make it happen for the customer. It can be typical for a jeweler to just give a GIA report as most consumers would not know to ask for more information or for a Sarin. You may be surprised at how resourceful the jeweler will become if he thinks he may lose the sale for lack of info!

 

[Tim]

The stone I am interested in is a VVS1. I have a hard time finding those pin points inclusions even with a 10X loupe.

I will ask him to get a Sarin report. Thank you.

Tim

 

[Basileia]

Hrmmm..

Ok well, I was wondering. for $9400 is it possible to get a larger stone
with "good" quality? vs the above 1.41???

what do you think is available out there???

 

[Mara]

IMO do not drop the quality of the cut just to get more carat weight esp at the size you are already at. People may not know color and clarity, but they know sparkle and that comes from the cut. A 1.41c already gives good 'size' vibes. Sounds like you have a pretty good deal on a stone there, almost 1.50c with a great cut, colorless and VS...I would go for that and not try to go bigger and downgrade the cut because you will see a difference. It is easier to find 'good' cut diamonds than 'excellent' cut because the general public doesn't know any better, so yes you could get more ctw with an okay cut, but I don't think you'd be as happy in the end.

My two cents.

Good luck!

 

[dimonbob]

I agree that crown and pavilion angles are important, at least to people here on Pricescope. And since GIA cannot see their way clear to give us that information on their reports we have to resort to the Sarin machine. The problem with the Sarin machine is it costs about $25,000 in U.S. dollars. Not very many jewelry stores can afford such an expense. Most cannot even afford a $4,000 gem microscope. I would say 95% of the Sarin machines are owned by diamond dealers and a few appraisers and very few by jewelry stores. We talk with diamond dealers every day and about half of them have a Sarin or have access to one.

If a jewelry store is showing a diamond with the GIA certificate to a customer and the customer wants a Sarin Report, how is the jewelry store going to get one? He can’t go to the jewelry store next door for two reasons, its not done and no jewelry store in the town or county has one. The store can’t call the dealer who sent it to them on memo and get a Sarin for two reasons, they may not have a Sarin machine and even if they did they need the diamond to run the Sarin report. That leaves the jewelry store and the customer who is making them crazy about this unheard of request, out of luck.

People here on Pricescope are just a few giant steps ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to diamond cut. The rest of the world will catch up, one of these days, but don’t hold your breath.

 

[diamondsman]

Hi,
I think that you have nothing to worry about g.i.a is very strict and very critical,and not very lienient about giving ex-ex on any stone!!! I disagree with the comments about the sarin report,(any machine can be manipulated if the person wants to cheat!!)
As long as you stay within these criteria's you should be safe!!,d=59%-62% t=53%-60%, ideal d=59-61 T=53-57
you should be ok!! So don't be worried the one you have picked is a nice stone just go for it!!
Oh by the way ,did you compare prices on the web???