Need help looking at ASET and Ideal Scope of Diamonds for my engagement ring

[mice730]

Hi Guys!

I'm very new to the diamond world and started researching and looking for one a week ago. I understand the importance of the ideal cut proportions, HCA, ASET, and Ideal scope.
Where I'm from, it's very difficult to obtain the ASET and Idealscope so my first question is are there any other ways to figure out if a diamond is well cut for the best light return other than a GIA cert and the Ideal Cut Proportion table(attached)?

Unfortunately, I ran out of HCA tries so I can't get the HCA score for this diamond.
I want a second opinion on the diamond.
In the ASET scope, it looks bad to me because:

• looks like it has the fisheye effect with the lighter light bluish surrounding the center.
• lots of green when ideally it should be red around the crown
• I can even see yellow which I don't normally see in other ASET images

In the Ideal scope, it looks bad to me beacuse:

• the bottom right-hand corner is a bit out of symmetry.

This diamond ($10.7K which includes the jeweler's markup) with a setting ($1.8K USD) costs about $12.5K USD.

I have no image but I have a video for the 1.08ct diamond: https://streamable.com/ngpatj

 

[musicloveranthony]

looks like it has the fisheye effect with the lighter light bluish surrounding the center.

• lots of green when ideally it should be red around the crown
• I can even see yellow which I don't normally see in other ASET images

In the Ideal scope, it looks bad to me beacuse:

• the bottom right-hand corner is a bit out of symmetry.

You have a good eye - it's certainly not a bad stone but it's not a super-ideal stone due to the factors you spotted

 

[MissGotRocks]

Compare to this super ideal cut diamond from Whiteflash. Look at the wire price and you can add a setting from their inventory. This diamond is a VS1 and very eyeclean. Don’t pay for what you don’t have to!

Diamond | 1.078 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558493

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.078 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558493

www.whiteflash.com

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Or, go a little bigger and get this one for a little bit less than the one he showed you

Diamond | 1.158 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4553624

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.158 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4553624

www.whiteflash.com

This one is 6.79mm (the eye will see the difference in size)

 

[mice730]

Compare to this super ideal cut diamond from Whiteflash. Look at the wire price and you can add a setting from their inventory. This diamond is a VS1 and very eyeclean. Don’t pay for what you don’t have to!

Diamond | 1.078 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4558493

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.078 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4558493

www.whiteflash.com

I know Whiteflash has great diamonds at very good prices but I don't have the confidence to buy online internationally. Note I also have to add 15% tax on top (I know it's still cheaper that my option). Can anyone please comment on my take on the ASET and Idealscope images as well as my question regarding any other ways to determine an ideal cut with just a GIA cert and the ideal cut proportions table?

 

[mice730]

Or, go a little bigger and get this one for a little bit less than the one he showed you

Diamond | 1.158 ct F VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4553624

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.158 carat F color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4553624

www.whiteflash.com

This one is 6.79mm (the eye will see the difference in size)

Any good suggestions for GIA-certified ones? Can you please review my options?
I saw these and had the ASET done on a white-lit background because a black-lit background hides the light leakages with the red color.

Diamond | 1.04 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4419917

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.04 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4419917

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.05 ct F VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4615884

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.05 carat F color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4615884

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.00 ct G VS2 Expert Selection Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4596145

This fabulous 1.00 carat Round Excellent cut diamond has a clarity grade of VS2 and color grade of G.It is an excellent choice for engagement rings. | 4596145

www.whiteflash.com

 

[lovedogs]

Any of those from WF will be great. I would email them and ask WF for IRL pics to compare.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Any good suggestions for GIA-certified ones? Can you please review my options?
I saw these and had the ASET done on a white-lit background because a black-lit background hides the light leakages with the red color.

Diamond | 1.04 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4419917

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.04 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4419917

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.05 ct F VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4615884

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.05 carat F color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4615884

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.00 ct G VS2 Expert Selection Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4596145

This fabulous 1.00 carat Round Excellent cut diamond has a clarity grade of VS2 and color grade of G.It is an excellent choice for engagement rings. | 4596145

www.whiteflash.com

The premium you pay is the confidence of cut and performance. WF excels at this in a way only a handful do.
Any of these are safe options, they've already done the work for you- you just pick color/size and ppc.
Now, it's truly just left to what your eye wants.
You could also bump down to VS to keep cost down.
Do you know how color sensitive she is?
We'll keep it simple with a cut above.
*AGS is a more stringent cert to have in my opinion. I'd take it over GIA, personally.

Examples:
This is what you could do at top end of cost/cut and H color.

Diamond | 1.31 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4615881

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.31 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4615881

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.151 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4483281

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.151 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4483281

www.whiteflash.com

If she isn't color sensitive:
The tippy top of price:

Diamond | 1.433 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4473423

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.433 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4473423

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.603 ct J VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4488327

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.603 carat J color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4488327

www.whiteflash.com

Find the one you like best and don't pay more for negligible size/color unless you have to, the eye can't see less than 2mm, and most regular people can't tell the difference between a D and an H.
I would be happy with a I or J. She may not be. It's just taste preference. There's a thing about colorless as 'best' but I don't mind near colorless at all. You need to find out what she sees, not what she thinks she's supposed to want, what she physically can see.
So, I'm in the camp of, don't pay for what you can't see.

Round Cut Diamonds: Discover Our Brilliant Selection

View our wide selection of Round Cut Diamonds. Choose your ideal diamond combining quality, price, 4cs and more.

www.whiteflash.com

See a few you like and have them pull, then get back to us.
No matter what, relax- it's seriously going to be great. We're talking top rocks and zero guess work here.
They have mountings too, nice ones- so I would take a gander at those as well.

 

[MissGotRocks]

I know Whiteflash has great diamonds at very good prices but I don't have the confidence to buy online internationally. Note I also have to add 15% tax on top (I know it's still cheaper that my option). Can anyone please comment on my take on the ASET and Idealscope images as well as my question regarding any other ways to determine an ideal cut with just a GIA cert and the ideal cut proportions table?

The images you posted show light leakage. Compare them to the WF images and you will see the difference. Whiteflash does business internationally all the time. Spend your dollars on the best cut quality you can and you won’t be sorry. No second guessing and sleuthing around to find diamonds you think might be as good.
GIA certs and cut proportions are a great start but you need images to be certain. There is no other magic bullet to this process. I honestly cannot fathom paying more more for less diamond performance - just doesn’t make sense - no matter where you live.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

The premium you pay is the confidence of cut and performance. WF excels at this in a way only a handful do.
Any of these are safe options, they've already done the work for you- you just pick color/size and ppc.
Now, it's truly just left to what your eye wants.
You could also bump down to VS to keep cost down.
Do you know how color sensitive she is?
We'll keep it simple with a cut above.
*AGS is a more stringent cert to have in my opinion. I'd take it over GIA, personally.

Examples:
This is what you could do at top end of cost/cut and H color.

Diamond | 1.31 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4615881

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.31 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4615881

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.151 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4483281

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.151 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4483281

www.whiteflash.com

If she isn't color sensitive:
The tippy top of price:

Diamond | 1.433 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4473423

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.433 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4473423

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.603 ct J VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4488327

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.603 carat J color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4488327

www.whiteflash.com

Find the one you like best and don't pay more for negligible size/color unless you have to, the eye can't see less than 2mm, and most regular people can't tell the difference between a D and an H.
I would be happy with a I or J. She may not be. It's just taste preference. There's a thing about colorless as 'best' but I don't mind near colorless at all. You need to find out what she sees, not what she thinks she's supposed to want, what she physically can see.
So, I'm in the camp of, don't pay for what you can't see.

Round Cut Diamonds: Discover Our Brilliant Selection

View our wide selection of Round Cut Diamonds. Choose your ideal diamond combining quality, price, 4cs and more.

www.whiteflash.com

See a few you like and have them pull, then get back to us.
No matter what, relax- it's seriously going to be great. We're talking top rocks and zero guess work here.
They have mountings too, nice ones- so I would take a gander at those as well.

Additional Edit:
Sorry, just noticed, to clarify it's 0.2mm that the eye can't discern-2mm would be a huge jump!

 

[mice730]

The premium you pay is the confidence of cut and performance. WF excels at this in a way only a handful do.
Any of these are safe options, they've already done the work for you- you just pick color/size and ppc.
Now, it's truly just left to what your eye wants.
You could also bump down to VS to keep cost down.
Do you know how color sensitive she is?
We'll keep it simple with a cut above.
*AGS is a more stringent cert to have in my opinion. I'd take it over GIA, personally.

Examples:
This is what you could do at top end of cost/cut and H color.

Diamond | 1.31 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4615881

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.31 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4615881

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.151 ct H VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4483281

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.151 carat H color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4483281

www.whiteflash.com

If she isn't color sensitive:
The tippy top of price:

Diamond | 1.433 ct I VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4473423

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.433 carat I color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4473423

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.603 ct J VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4488327

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.603 carat J color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4488327

www.whiteflash.com

Find the one you like best and don't pay more for negligible size/color unless you have to, the eye can't see less than 2mm, and most regular people can't tell the difference between a D and an H.
I would be happy with a I or J. She may not be. It's just taste preference. There's a thing about colorless as 'best' but I don't mind near colorless at all. You need to find out what she sees, not what she thinks she's supposed to want, what she physically can see.
So, I'm in the camp of, don't pay for what you can't see.

Round Cut Diamonds: Discover Our Brilliant Selection

View our wide selection of Round Cut Diamonds. Choose your ideal diamond combining quality, price, 4cs and more.

www.whiteflash.com

See a few you like and have them pull, then get back to us.
No matter what, relax- it's seriously going to be great. We're talking top rocks and zero guess work here.
They have mountings too, nice ones- so I would take a gander at those as well.

The images you posted show light leakage. Compare them to the WF images and you will see the difference. Whiteflash does business internationally all the time. Spend your dollars on the best cut quality you can and you won’t be sorry. No second guessing and sleuthing around to find diamonds you think might be as good.
GIA certs and cut proportions are a great start but you need images to be certain. There is no other magic bullet to this process. I honestly cannot fathom paying more more for less diamond performance - just doesn’t make sense - no matter where you live.

I've asked and the color will have to be D - G, GIA cert, and VVS1 to VS2 as ridiculous as it seems.
I would say colour can be F and G because I've seen some in real life and you can't tell the difference between D to G.
The diamonds that I've slimed down to that are similar in price and within my budget are:

Diamond | 1.04 ct G VS1 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4419917

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.04 carat G color VS1 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4419917

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.12 ct F VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4625270

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.12 carat F color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4625270

www.whiteflash.com

Diamond | 1.02 ct D VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4638085

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.02 carat D color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4638085

www.whiteflash.com

Can I please have someone review the Ideal scope and ASET scope and determine which is better? They all look very similar and I can't tell which is the best.

Is the red in the center bad or good? Does it always have to be solid green?



Note: Another one that's a lot more expensive is the below but will only consider if everyone here says it's best bang for my buck.

Diamond | 1.05 ct F VVS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond GIA Certified | 4615884

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 1.05 carat F color VVS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the Gemological Institute of America (GIA). | 4615884

www.whiteflash.com

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

I would ask them if they could possibly pull all three of those and do a comparison video. We're talking hair splitting, negligible differences at this point, so it's really going to be what your eye is drawn to.

 

[MissGotRocks]

@ItsMainelyYou is correct! You can ask for a side by side video to see if one appeals to you more than another. If you go to the Whiteflash website, you can read about their testing and evaluation process. These are the cream of the crop in terms of cut so you don’t have to try to split hairs to find ‘the best one’. Just figure out your budget and the size and color and clarity that you feel is best. When you talk with the folks at Whiteflash, I think they will put your mind at ease. You have chosen some beautiful contenders - just figure out if size, color or clarity is the most important to you and your girl.
The 1.12 F seems like it would give you the largest diamond with the color and clarity being in your preferred range. Keep us posted and let us know which diamond you ended up choosing. Be prepared for lots of sparkle!!

 

[mice730]

I would ask them if they could possibly pull all three of those and do a comparison video. We're talking hair splitting, negligible differences at this point, so it's really going to be what your eye is drawn to.

@ItsMainelyYou is correct! You can ask for a side by side video to see if one appeals to you more than another. If you go to the Whiteflash website, you can read about their testing and evaluation process. These are the cream of the crop in terms of cut so you don’t have to try to split hairs to find ‘the best one’. Just figure out your budget and the size and color and clarity that you feel is best. When you talk with the folks at Whiteflash, I think they will put your mind at ease. You have chosen some beautiful contenders - just figure out if size, color or clarity is the most important to you and your girl.
The 1.12 F seems like it would give you the largest diamond with the color and clarity being in your preferred range. Keep us posted and let us know which diamond you ended up choosing. Be prepared for lots of sparkle!!

I've slimmed down my choices to 3 diamonds and would like your insights on it:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.04-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4419917


Video Link: https://streamable.com/rc32d9

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.12-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4625270


Video Link: https://streamable.com/dnoczz

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.02-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4638085


Video Link: https://streamable.com/uus724

Comparison Video: https://streamable.com/czg4xb

 

[Kim N]

I've slimmed down my choices to 3 diamonds and would like your insights on it:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.04-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4419917


Video Link: https://streamable.com/rc32d9

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.12-carat-f-color-vs2-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4625270


Video Link: https://streamable.com/dnoczz

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/1.02-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-round-excellent-cut-sku-a4638085


Video Link: https://streamable.com/uus724

Comparison Video: https://streamable.com/czg4xb

I like the F because it's the biggest and has my personal favorite proportions.

 

[lovedogs]

I would get the F for the extra size

 

[MissGotRocks]

I vote for the F as well - size is always good! All three are beautiful but between the three, I would choose for size.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

Yup, yup, F it should be!
At this level it really is hair splitting, isn't it.
What do you think? What grabs you?

 

[mice730]

Yup, yup, F it should be!
At this level it really is hair splitting, isn't it.
What do you think? What grabs you?

It was F as well because of the size but I was unsure if that's a good enough reason to choose it. I was comparing the F and the G because I don't feel like paying more for the D color.
The only downside of the F is the inclusions in the table but it doesn't have clouds like the G does which isn't shown in the GIA cert.

 

[MissGotRocks]

It was F as well because of the size but I was unsure if that's a good enough reason to choose it. I was comparing the F and the G because I don't feel like paying more for the D color.
The only downside of the F is the inclusions in the table but it doesn't have clouds like the G does which isn't shown in the GIA cert.

It does not appear as though the table inclusions in the F are apparent in the videos. Double check with Whiteflash on this just to put your mind at ease!

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

I agree with @MissGotRocks, I still feel it's the best choice. The inclusions are miniscule and aren't likely to be seen by the naked eye without the magnification of the video. You could ask for a hand shot if it would put you at ease before making your final choice between the two.

In the end, they're both great choices of some of the best cutting around so there is no 'mistake' to be made.
Let us know what you choose and please share some hand shots when you get it.

 

[mice730]

I've chosen the F 1.12 carat! I'll share some shots but it'll have to be till May!

 

[MissGotRocks]

I've chosen the F 1.12 carat! I'll share some shots but it'll have to be till May!

May is fine! Can’t wait to see it set!