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Gypsy

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So background for those who don't stalk Gypsy's life. I am a Contracts Manager and have been for a few years. Just got a new job in a different type of Contract Management a month ago. TRUE STORY

I like Contracts Management, the way I was doing it before-- "PRE-AWARD". So actually getting the contracts into place, drafting, negotiating, and revising. I am really good at it, and yes, I like it. Is it hard, yes.

The new job is "POST-AWARD" Contract Management so it is basically contract compliance (making sure the work my COMPANY is doing for another matches the contract that was agreed on by the parties). Baby sitting basically, but with a nanny cam manned by Atilla the Hun. You get two managers at this place: your reporting manager (More senior Contract Manager) and your project manager (A person who is the ring master in a circus as far as I can tell).

So far at this job I've been told... "this is not the place for independant thinking, when I say Jump, Jump as high as you can" by my project manager (AKA Atilla the Hun) and "You are it, the last bastion of sanity on the project I absolutely NEED you to think outside the box and be vigilant about everything" by my reporting manager. :confused:

And MY two managers can't stand each other. Neither really trumps the other though when it comes to assigning me work. And both of them tell me to prioritize their projects over the other (which basically means-- just get it all done, don't ask what's a priority it all is), then get mad when I tell them what the other told me.

It's insane. Just take sanity and chuck it out the door.

And then there is the CEO of the project (Circus Owner)

On my first day the CEO of the project walks into the conference room where we are ALL gathered pissed of as all heck, slams everything around looking for a marker for the whiteboard. Finds one then writes in HUGE writing "THERE IS NO 'Z' JUAREZ" ( Juarez is just a stand in for the project name which is confidential).

Yes, you read that right. No Z in JUAREZ.

Everyone in the room nods as if God has spoken and is silent while writing that down in their note pads.

I snorted once when I read it. THE ONLY SOUND IN THE ROOM. The CEO looks death daggers at me. Then you can SEE the light go on in her head. So WITHOUT A WORD, she turns around and changes it to say: "THERE IS NO "Z" <in the middle of> JUAREZ." and SLAMS out of the conference room.

That's what what my new job is about. C Level Executives that started at COMPANY right out of school, went through 'trial by fire' and have now been 'forged' and are treated like Divine Right of Kings exists in their little project fiefdoms. No one thinks independantly. And it is MY JOB (as a person who is SEVEN levels below this woman) to tell her when she is wrong so she can fix it before the client finds out. People were typing the project name wrong (by adding a letter in the middle) and that's how she chose to handle it.

I'm Quality Assurance and Contract Compliance to a God.
 
Wrong board. Sorry, meant to post in hangout. Have asked for the change. That doesn't bode well for the "Quality Assurance" part of my new job, now does it? Ha. Ha. Ha.
 
Gypsy said:
Wrong board. Sorry, meant to post in hangout. Have asked for the change. That doesn't bode well for the "Quality Assurance" part of my new job, now does it? Ha. Ha. Ha.


I snorted pretty loudly reading that :bigsmile:

What a trainwreck! But on the plus side, you'll have some good stories (and possibly some good anger management techniques) after a few months in this position ;(
 
You either have the patience of a saint, or we're in a recession and you need this job. :bigsmile:
 
Yssie, yeah. Me too. Irony. Gotta love it.

Holly, I'll give you two clues: I 'accepted' a salary that is 15% less than what I was making and a yearly bonus that is 13% less for the 'opportunity.' And I'm not a patient person in the LEAST. I feel like I've gone to an alternate dimension.
 
I would make a game of it... see how mad I could make them at each other while not being mad at me.
That could be a great adventure.
 
Gypsy said:
So background for those who don't stalk Gypsy's life. I am a Contracts Manager and have been for a few years. Just got a new job in a different type of Contract Management a month ago. TRUE STORY

I like Contracts Management, the way I was doing it before-- "PRE-AWARD". So actually getting the contracts into place, drafting, negotiating, and revising. I am really good at it, and yes, I like it. Is it hard, yes.

The new job is "POST-AWARD" Contract Management so it is basically contract compliance (making sure the work my COMPANY is doing for another matches the contract that was agreed on by the parties). Baby sitting basically, but with a nanny cam manned by Atilla the Hun. You get two managers at this place: your reporting manager (More senior Contract Manager) and your project manager (A person who is the ring master in a circus as far as I can tell).

So far at this job I've been told... "this is not the place for independant thinking, when I say Jump, Jump as high as you can" by my project manager (AKA Atilla the Hun) and "You are it, the last bastion of sanity on the project I absolutely NEED you to think outside the box and be vigilant about everything" by my reporting manager. :confused:

And MY two managers can't stand each other. Neither really trumps the other though when it comes to assigning me work. And both of them tell me to prioritize their projects over the other (which basically means-- just get it all done, don't ask what's a priority it all is), then get mad when I tell them what the other told me.

It's insane. Just take sanity and chuck it out the door.

And then there is the CEO of the project (Circus Owner)

On my first day the CEO of the project walks into the conference room where we are ALL gathered pissed of as all heck, slams everything around looking for a marker for the whiteboard. Finds one then writes in HUGE writing "THERE IS NO 'Z' JUAREZ" ( Juarez is just a stand in for the project name which is confidential).

Yes, you read that right. No Z in JUAREZ.

Everyone in the room nods as if God has spoken and is silent while writing that down in their note pads.

I snorted once when I read it. THE ONLY SOUND IN THE ROOM. The CEO looks death daggers at me. Then you can SEE the light go on in her head. So WITHOUT A WORD, she turns around and changes it to say: "THERE IS NO "Z" <in the middle of> JUAREZ." and SLAMS out of the conference room.

That's what what my new job is about. C Level Executives that started at COMPANY right out of school, went through 'trial by fire' and have now been 'forged' and are treated like Divine Right of Kings exists in their little project fiefdoms. No one thinks independantly. And it is MY JOB (as a person who is SEVEN levels below this woman) to tell her when she is wrong so she can fix it before the client finds out. People were typing the project name wrong (by adding a letter in the middle) and that's how she chose to handle it.

I'm Quality Assurance and Contract Compliance to a God.



My advice?????

Leave America and move here. (Perth Western Australia)

We're absolutely totally desperate for good Contracts people. If you have any type of experience at all in O&G or mining you will get a job. Even junior O&G contracts people, who work for an EPCM or Principal, will earn US$50-80k per year and seniors can earn upwards of $250k. (For mining related jobs knock off 20%)

5 years of site work here in OZ and you could have a HUGE jewellery budget LOL :))

457 Visas for skilled people are really easy to get at the moment.
 
Short of moving to Australia (tempting though it may be...), I love Karl's suggestion! There's a fun challenge. From 2 1/2 yrs' experience in almost that exact environment, I have a couple of ideas: Do LOTS of stress-relieving stuff outside work -- yoga, working out, museums, gem shopping, whatever gets you out of your own head & lifts you; ALWAYS remember this job is not the meaning of your life, it's peripheral & will someday be a distant memory; and, this may sound corny as hell, but think often about other things you're grateful for in your life -- helps put the schmucks into perspective. If there's someone at work you can laugh with -- do it! Anybody as ridiculous as the Juarez woman has to be good for a ton of humor! And good luck, I absolutely dig how you feel!

--- Laurie
 
Well, the "No Z in 'Juarez' comment was "ha ha" funny. I'd have snorted too. I can't believe what your job is like, Gypsy. If I was in your shoes, I'd talk to someone in HR and see if I could move to a different department or something. Either that or I'd start looking for something else. Well, actually, before doing that, I'd get the courage to address the senior managers and explain how difficult it is to do your job well when you're unsure how to prioritze. I'd assume they'd *have* to address that issue when you bring it up

I'm not one to quit when something gets tough (and I don't think you are either), but the position you're in isn't fair to you at all (which you realize). You deserve to be happy -- after all, many people spend more time at work than at home every week, and you *need* to be happy to function productively in your job. I know this is a new job for you, so I'm not suggesting that you just up and leave, but something has to change.

I'm really sorry that you're going through this.
 
Karl_K said:
I would make a game of it... see how mad I could make them at each other while not being mad at me.
That could be a great adventure.


Karl - I love your thinking lately.
 
It sounds like an absolutely horrible job, Gypsy. On the other hand, you are made of far sterner stuff than I am and became an attorney and went into business and contract management because you could handle these things. Good luck with post-award contract management and this ditzy company. I read Zoe's suggestion, but to me it sounded like a small, privately owned company without a lot of room for lateral movement. Is the CEO for whom you are working the only opportunity open for you or not?

Deb/AGBF
:read:

PS-Big hugs!!!
 
geez, Gypsy, what a mess.

i'm with Mac: go to Perth, get the experience and the $ there. Western AU is thriving and contracting with Asia like crazy.

seriously. consider doing it. think of the adventure!

MoZo

ps while i like karl's idea, it is time and energy consuming in not a positive way. there is always a pay back at some point for participating in such a game.
 
Geez Gypsy, you and I have the worst luck when it comes to working with the "brightest and best bulbs on the tree".

Ego and power-trippin' seem to rule my days. I can get pulled around like a taffy by Executives. It's too bad the CEO didn't have a sense of humor. What was she thinking with the Z? I would have laughed my ass off----at myself if I did that. It would have been a great ice-breaker.

GAH! The things and people we put up with for our paycheck. Hang in there.
 
Gypsy said:
Everyone in the room nods as if God has spoken and is silent while writing that down in their note pads.

I snorted once when I read it. THE ONLY SOUND IN THE ROOM.

:appl:

I hate sheep, well done for pointing out that the Emperor was indeed starkers!
I bet your colleagues are jealous of you for that.
 
Sounds horrible, gypsy. It sounds like it could be a setting for a sit-com...unfortunately, you have to be there 5 days a week. Do you think you can continue looking for a different place to work or how long are you giving yourself to stay?
My only suggestion would be that at least you can start saving up for things on your bling wishlist. Hugs to you.
 
MAC, what's O&G? I actually (very seriously) would move to Australia. My father's side of the family lives there and I spent many of (our) summers there and love it. I can even drive on the other side of the road :tongue: ! Can you give me an idea where to look for jobs in Perth?

I would qualify for a Visa with no issues at all. I know that. Actually I almost got dual citizenship with Australia, but decided against it years ago. I love Australia and could HAPPILY live there. And my husband is very supportive.

I'm game, point me in the right direction and I'll go check it out. In all seriousness.

As for the job. Yeah, actually what I posted is the tip of the iceberg-- there's more. I could keep you entertained for hours. CEO actually yelled at me this week for telling her that something (that needed to be) had been escalated to legal for review. Her exact words were "I wish you F*cking people would stop doing that."

I REALLY don't feel like this is my life. It's just THAT surreal. I go through each (16 hour) day wondering how managed to accept a job in Bizzaro World.

And yes, I have escalated to a supervisor. My 2 managers were not addressing my very valid concerns as they were both too busy and on Friday I had a call with my reporting manager's boss (We'll call her Goldy) so SHE could tell me that Atilla the Hun had complained that I was late to ONE meeting this week.

Do you know why I was late? Because my job starts at 9:00 am.
At 8:30 CEO posted a meeting notice ON BUTCHER PAPER with TAPE on the INSIDE of the conference room door for a 9:00 am meeting.

So At 8:50 I went to my cube and started working. I needed something in the conference room so I went in there to find... "SURPRISE! AN IMPROPTU ALL HANDS MEETING."

Yes, I was reprimanded for being late by Goldy to this meeting, formally. Except when I told Goldy the facts (butcher paper, only notice inside a room I don't work in) the only thing she said is: 'Well, um.. obviously CEO has the right to call a meeting any way she wants, but butcher paper is unusual. Still if you had been there at 8:30 you might have heard through word of mouth that there was a meeting. So why don't you adjust your start time."

Yeah. CEO can be off her freaking rocker, SWEAR at me, and I'm the one reprimanded for being late to a meeting I had no idea was going on.

So you bet your bippy I aired my grievances out to Goldy. Including reporting that CEO had sworn at me.

They ain't paying me enough to deal with this crap.
 
Gypsy, I completely know what it's like to be treated like sh*t at work. I was reprimanded at my horrible job last fall so many times (for no legitmate reason, I swear), that I quit soon after, only 3 months in. There's no way anyone needs to deal with that. I'd seriously start looking elsewhere. I just read that you're now considering Perth. That would be an exciting change!
 
Gypsy:

I'd start job hunting now.... Finding a perfect job may not be possible - but finding one where things are better can be done.

I can relate though....

For info: I am a Project Manager for a series of work - but I handle my own contract management once purchasing issues the PO.

On larger projects I become part of a team where there is a higher level Project Manager.

Then toss in the requirements and twist and turns of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission... Fun, fun, fun...

Perry
 
don't limit yourself to Perth.......there is a lot of contract work on the east coast also. don't remember the name of the group my SIL and her hubby work for.......the company has offices on both coasts.

Western AU is heavy into mining. and remember that so many things are imported into AU. so contract work is a necessity there.

additionally, the AU$ and the US$ are even now...........

MoZo

ps think of all the pearl farms, champagne diamonds, and opals you can discover while there!
 
MZ, if you run accross any company names and can pop me a note, I would be grateful. I love pearls, champagne diamonds are great... but honestly its the people, the produce and the seafood. Oh my lord, the seafood! LOL.

I've been to Sydney, Cambria, Melbourne and some places in Queensland (on the coast) and love every place I've been. I would do it.
 
Zoe, yeah. I gotta say if I lost this job I would pretty much say "good riddance" and never look back. Which is hard for me because I'm not generally a quitter but the environment is abusive and I've never been a sheep.

Perry, sounds like you definitely can relate! There are some aspects of the job I like. The people (other than the leadership) are very nice, the company does have a carreer advancement path for Contract Managers (which most places just don't) the benefits are pretty good (well, the PTO is good), and it's definitely a challenge.

It's just that my definition of a "dynamic and challenging position" isn't one based on the whims of a vengeful god. Rather it is one where the actual work is not completely boring and where I feel I can be an asset (and feel like other's consider me an asset).
 
Gypsy said:
MAC, what's O&G? I actually (very seriously) would move to Australia. My father's side of the family lives there and I spent many of (our) summers there and love it. I can even drive on the other side of the road :tongue: ! Can you give me an idea where to look for jobs in Perth?

I would qualify for a Visa with no issues at all. I know that. Actually I almost got dual citizenship with Australia, but decided against it years ago. I love Australia and could HAPPILY live there. And my husband is very supportive.

I'm game, point me in the right direction and I'll go check it out. In all seriousness.

<snip>

Hey Gypsy,
O&G is Oil and Gas. Sorry, I’m so used to the abbreviation I do it without thinking :oops:

That's great that you would think about coming here - We need more PS'ers in Australia :naughty: (and remember a lot of the companies operating here in OZ also have operations in the US so if you do come over for a few years it would be easy enough to get a transfer back to the US later on if you wanted it).

Probably the best thing to do is initially have a look at some of the job websites such as http://www.seek.com.au or http://www.careerone.com.au or http://www.mycareer.com.au to get a flavour of some of the jobs available but one thing I would point out is that 75-80% of (non-government) jobs here are never publically advertised in newspapers or on sites like SEEK but are filled directly from candidates already listed in recruitment agencies databases, so you need to get your Resume to as many agencies as possible. Most people are registered with at least half a dozen agencies. Apply for anything and everything just to get registered and make sure your CV has as many keywords in it as possible so you pop up on lots of searches.

SEEK has a recruitment agency listing http://www.seek.com.au/profiles/recruiter/ but the main ones here in Perth are Hays (http://www.hays.com.au), Swan (http://www.swanpersonnel.com.au), Dare (http://www.darecontract.com.au) and MichaelPage (http://www.michaelpage.com.au)

There are lots of others as well but these are the big 4 and they do both coasts (East & West) so you wouldn’t be limited to only Perth or only WA. (make sure you let them know about your visa eligibility cos that will make a difference).

Specifically here in Perth, one of the biggest jobs that’s currently recruiting at the moment is the Gorgon Project with Chevron (http://www.ChevronAustralia.com). Chevron also have the Wheatstone project coming on line. You could register directly with Chevron (http://careers.chevron.com/global_operations/country_operations/australia/australia_process.aspx) but you might also want to consider applying to some of the main contractors (http://gorgonjobs.kjv.com.au/contractors/) who will also be needing lots of contracts people. The main EPCM (engineering, procurement and construction management) for Gorgon is being done by a company called KJV which is a joint venture between Kellogg, Hatch & Clough so you could also apply to each of those companies directly as well if you wanted. (http://www.clough.com.au; http://www.hatch.com.au and http://www.kbr.com). They will also have other projects that they are recruiting for, not just Gorgon.

Hope this helps get you started. Let me know if you need more help. (I hope I haven't overloaded you with info).


Your CEO sounds like a right %^&*, I’m so sorry you are having to deal with all that. I hope you are able to find a way to improve your situation at least short term until something else comes up for you. In the meantime just keep thing “pay cheque; pay cheque; pay cheque” :)) and I'll buy you a drink in Perth when you get here :sun: :naughty: :sun:

((((hugs)))).
 
:errrr: :sick: :eek:
 
OMG Gypsy! I'm laughing, a little bit, but I'm also uploading the Super Dooper Goober Badass Toxicboss Shield. ::uploading::uploadcomplete:: I vote for the expat move to Oz :D
 
Hah. Thank you MAC for the information. I will follow up next week. I should have a work from home day next week (up in the air now-- I hate this place) and I should be able to follow up with folks then. Otherwise I'll send emails this weekend.

I'm voting for the ex-pat thing too.

I applied for a few jobs I found last night. Talked to a local recruiter today. I'm officially back on the job market.
 
I am in contracts too and left my last job because upper management was just too toxic and my direct manager would never go to bat for me as sweet as she was. All too familiar! There is a ton of antagonism between the sales people, PMs, and contracts just because you try to do it the legal and sound business case way! :lol:
 
Gawd that sounds BAD. I had a nightmare situation with a boss, but won't go into that. As far as even normal bosses go, having two at the same time is stressful. A couple months ago I took a different position, but my old boss wanted me to continue to work on stuff after my stop date, and my new boss wanted me to start work before, so both of them ignored actual start/stop dates and were both ignoring the other and giving me full workloads of work for awhile, until I spoke to an administrator. I mean I guess it's nice to be wanted, as long as one doesn't have to clone oneself. And heck, at least my new boss gave me a chocolate bar for the trouble.

It sounds like you have a lot of experience in the field, and do what's best FOR YOU.
 
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