OEC with very faint fish eye.

[Agneau]

Well... I bought a diamond. It's my first ever diamond purchase. It should be here soon. It was purchased to turn into a pendant eventually.

It fit my credentials. OEC, M, eye clean and under $700. Size wasn't a big consideration but it's around .50ct.
It's round (maybe a *slight* oval)... it looks nice. I feel like it was the best symmetrical OEC I have found in my price range.

From what I know, it has an almost (or very faint) fisheye thing going on.
I think it's only on one half of the round, and it's when you tilt it (or maybe not)... I will be able to say for sure when I see it in person.


I am just curious, would you straight up say "no" to nice OEC with a very faint fish eye?


Opinions, feedback, and other diamond suggestions are welcome.

I feel like I will know whether it's the one the moment I see it in person. But I am having a little anxiety about it right now.

 

[diamondloveaffair]

from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion. Post pictures here once you get the stone.

 

[CharmyPoo]

from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion. Post pictures here once you get the stone.

How did you draw this conclusion that is a badly cut diamond? I don't think anything she said in her post indicates a badly cut diamond conclusively.

 

[Venti25]

Hopefully one of the experts jumps in but from what I've gathered, some OECs will show a little darkness depending on the tilt and isn't unusual as long as it's not nail head straight on and doesn't drive you crazy. I think pictures might be helpful here?

 

[Agneau]

from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion. Post pictures here once you get the stone.

How did you draw this conclusion that is a badly cut diamond? I don't think anything she said in her post indicates a badly cut diamond conclusively.

Thanks for this.

 

[Agneau]

Hopefully one of the experts jumps in but from what I've gathered, some OECs will show a little darkness depending on the tilt and isn't unusual as long as it's not nail head straight on and doesn't drive you crazy. I think pictures might be helpful here?

Yeah, I usually like seeing pictures in other people's post so I will post my own pictures once I get the diamond in, fish eye or not.

 

[diamondloveaffair]

from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion. Post pictures here once you get the stone.

How did you draw this conclusion that is a badly cut diamond? I don't think anything she said in her post indicates a badly cut diamond conclusively.

Perhaps you want to read again carefully? No conclusions was drawn by me. It sounded like a badly cut diamond based on what the thread starter had said.

Faint fish eye? It's round (maybe a *slight* oval)...? A supposedly round OEC diamond that is described as a slight oval? If someone describes an OEC to you like this, it raises questions. A whole lot of them.

Perhaps people on this board might be drawn towards diamonds or be OK with descriptions like this, but i for one would be skeptical and require more details to make a judgement.

 

[Agneau]

from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion. Post pictures here once you get the stone.

How did you draw this conclusion that is a badly cut diamond? I don't think anything she said in her post indicates a badly cut diamond conclusively.

Perhaps you want to read again carefully? No conclusions was drawn by me. It sounded like a badly cut diamond based on what the thread starter had said.

Faint fish eye? It's round (maybe a *slight* oval)...? A supposedly round OEC diamond that is described as a slight oval? If someone describes an OEC to you like this, it raises questions. A whole lot of them.

Perhaps people on this board might be drawn towards diamonds or be OK with descriptions like this, but i for one would be skeptical and require more details to make a judgement.

Meh. I am not worried about the slight oval (talking very slight here). It is almost perfectly round, just a couple fractions of a millimeter off round. I am just reeaalllyyy sensitive to shapes. I am planning on posting pictures when I get it in.

 

[junebug17]

Hopefully one of the experts jumps in but from what I've gathered, some OECs will show a little darkness depending on the tilt and isn't unusual as long as it's not nail head straight on and doesn't drive you crazy. I think pictures might be helpful here?

Yeah, I usually like seeing pictures in other people's post so I will post my own pictures once I get the diamond in, fish eye or not.

A fisheye is a little different from darkness under the table. A fisheye is when the reflection of the girdle is visable under the table, and I think it can occur in diamonds that have a shallow pavilion and a large table. A fisheye doesn't really appear dark, it looks kind of crazed and dull inside the table.

Anyway, I really don't think you'll know what you have, and how you feel about it, until you see the stone yourself.

 

[Agneau]

Hopefully one of the experts jumps in but from what I've gathered, some OECs will show a little darkness depending on the tilt and isn't unusual as long as it's not nail head straight on and doesn't drive you crazy. I think pictures might be helpful here?

Yeah, I usually like seeing pictures in other people's post so I will post my own pictures once I get the diamond in, fish eye or not.

A fisheye is a little different from darkness under the table. A fisheye is when the reflection of the girdle is visable under the table, and I think it can occur in diamonds that have a shallow pavilion and a large table. A fisheye doesn't really appear dark, it looks kind of crazed and dull inside the table.

Anyway, I really don't think you'll know what you have, and how you feel about it, until you see the stone yourself.

I'm just curious - what makes you think it has a fisheye, or partial one? Did you see it in the vendor's pics?

I figured it could have it when I saw the table to pavilion ratio. Wasn't sure if it would be there but I have been in communication with the vendor and they agree that seems as if there could be a very slight fish eye trying to emerge (that's what it feels like from seeing it online). I don't know if I would have noticed if I didn't know what a fish eye was. But I will know for sure how I feel about it when I see it in person.

 

[junebug17]

Hopefully one of the experts jumps in but from what I've gathered, some OECs will show a little darkness depending on the tilt and isn't unusual as long as it's not nail head straight on and doesn't drive you crazy. I think pictures might be helpful here?

Yeah, I usually like seeing pictures in other people's post so I will post my own pictures once I get the diamond in, fish eye or not.

A fisheye is a little different from darkness under the table. A fisheye is when the reflection of the girdle is visable under the table, and I think it can occur in diamonds that have a shallow pavilion and a large table. A fisheye doesn't really appear dark, it looks kind of crazed and dull inside the table.

Anyway, I really don't think you'll know what you have, and how you feel about it, until you see the stone yourself.

I'm just curious - what makes you think it has a fisheye, or partial one? Did you see it in the vendor's pics?

I figured it could have it when I saw the table to pavilion ratio. Wasn't sure if it would be there but I have been in communication with the vendor and they agree that seems as if there could be a very slight fish eye trying to emerge (that's what it feels like from seeing it online). I don't know if I would have noticed if I didn't know what a fish eye was. But I will know for sure how I feel about it when I see it in person.

Ah ok, thanks! Please let us know what you think when you get it.

 

[CharmyPoo]

from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion. Post pictures here once you get the stone.

How did you draw this conclusion that is a badly cut diamond? I don't think anything she said in her post indicates a badly cut diamond conclusively.

Perhaps you want to read again carefully? No conclusions was drawn by me. It sounded like a badly cut diamond based on what the thread starter had said.

Faint fish eye? It's round (maybe a *slight* oval)...? A supposedly round OEC diamond that is described as a slight oval? If someone describes an OEC to you like this, it raises questions. A whole lot of them.

Perhaps people on this board might be drawn towards diamonds or be OK with descriptions like this, but i for one would be skeptical and require more details to make a judgement.

I don't know who you are but perhaps you should learn more about old stones before blindly responding. Many OECs are slightly off round - we aren't talking about newly cut stones here. Further, most OECs will have some form of obstruction that the poster may have described as fish eye. Old cuts are simply not judged the same way as a newly cut stone.

If you need more details to make a judgement, I am questioning why you jumped to the conclusion that it is a bad diamond so quickly. Bottom line is that she has not provided enough information to make such a determination - at least a photo is required.

I would be interested to see what diamonds you have. Perhaps you would share and officially introduce yourself to the community.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Can't offer any opinion at all from what you have said!

Most old cuts I have owned have some "flaw" in the cut quality. Each must be judged by the individual on its own merits based on the individual's own preferences.

 

[diamondloveaffair]

from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion. Post pictures here once you get the stone.

How did you draw this conclusion that is a badly cut diamond? I don't think anything she said in her post indicates a badly cut diamond conclusively.

Perhaps you want to read again carefully? No conclusions was drawn by me. It sounded like a badly cut diamond based on what the thread starter had said.

Faint fish eye? It's round (maybe a *slight* oval)...? A supposedly round OEC diamond that is described as a slight oval? If someone describes an OEC to you like this, it raises questions. A whole lot of them.

Perhaps people on this board might be drawn towards diamonds or be OK with descriptions like this, but i for one would be skeptical and require more details to make a judgement.

I don't know who you are but perhaps you should learn more about old stones before blindly responding. Many OECs are slightly off round - we aren't talking about newly cut stones here. Further, most OECs will have some form of obstruction that the poster may have described as fish eye. Old cuts are simply not judged the same way as a newly cut stone.

If you need more details to make a judgement, I am questioning why you jumped to the conclusion that it is a bad diamond so quickly. Bottom line is that she has not provided enough information to make such a determination - at least a photo is required.

I would be interested to see what diamonds you have. Perhaps you would share and officially introduce yourself to the community.

you need to learn to read carefully. you assumed that i jumped to a conclusion when i didn't.

"from your descriptions, it sounds like a badly cut diamond but based on that alone, it isn't enough to give a more educated opinion."

 

[ericad]

Some old cuts might photograph funky but look good in person, and others will carry that funkiness with them no matter the viewing conditions. It's very difficult to know until you see it in person. And there are many things that can be happening in the stone's appearance under the table - fisheye, nailhead, obstruction, PS coined "mushiness" (leakage), etc. These problem areas come in varying degrees - how acceptable the degree of this is to you will really depend on what you think of it in person, what you're using the stone for and what you paid for it.

While we hand select every stone that goes into our inventory (including consignments - we will reject stones that don't meet our standards), each one is unique and with its own personality, thus no two stones will appeal to the same person. On PS there's a general tendency towards a narrower range of recommended faceting and proportions, but we've sold more than our share of "misfits" and the buyers love and adore them because they are just as beautiful and special as the more popular cut style, only they wouldn't know that unless they took the risk to see the stone in person.

Now all that being said, there are also a lot of dogs out there, so if the diamond doesn't look beautiful to you, or if you have to convince yourself to love it because it's a good price, circumstances, etc. my advice is don't settle! But do wait to see the little guy in person, look at it in different lighting conditions, etc. before deciding. Some stones are just not that photogenic. Part of the magic of buying an old stone is to find one that truly speaks to you, and you might find that it's the "imperfect" stone that really floats your boat (says the woman who is obsessed with finding herself a 2+ carat classic OMC - not a cushion but a true off round, quilty, super kozibey, wonky old miner.)

 

[ecf8503]

Thank you for chiming in Erica!

 

[kathley]

Thank you for chiming in Erica!

+1 !

 

[bunnycat]

Hopefully one of the experts jumps in but from what I've gathered, some OECs will show a little darkness depending on the tilt and isn't unusual as long as it's not nail head straight on and doesn't drive you crazy. I think pictures might be helpful here?

Yeah, I usually like seeing pictures in other people's post so I will post my own pictures once I get the diamond in, fish eye or not.

A fisheye is a little different from darkness under the table. A fisheye is when the reflection of the girdle is visable under the table, and I think it can occur in diamonds that have a shallow pavilion and a large table. A fisheye doesn't really appear dark, it looks kind of crazed and dull inside the table.

Anyway, I really don't think you'll know what you have, and how you feel about it, until you see the stone yourself.

I'm just curious - what makes you think it has a fisheye, or partial one? Did you see it in the vendor's pics?

I figured it could have it when I saw the table to pavilion ratio. Wasn't sure if it would be there but I have been in communication with the vendor and they agree that seems as if there could be a very slight fish eye trying to emerge (that's what it feels like from seeing it online). I don't know if I would have noticed if I didn't know what a fish eye was. But I will know for sure how I feel about it when I see it in person.

Do you happen to have some measurements posted? I didn't see any in my quick scan.

Junebug is right though, a fisheye is different from darkness under the table and even with the measurements, you can't make any assumptions about what the measurements you have mean. Shallow doesn't automatically make a fish eye or under table darkness either. Old cuts really are different than MRB's and you just have to see it in person, as people have said.

A lot of old cuts are "off round", heck, even MRB's are rarely perfectly round. I can't remember what made with difference sometimes between an old stone being called a cushion and a round, because I've seen a few classified as round that weren't but were still classified that way.
I don't know if you've tried but you can save a picture from an auction if you right click on it (as long as it's not just an eBay gallery upload) and then saving it to your computer. Then you can post it from your computer to here.