Opinions on aset and idealscope images for round diamond

[firespark]

Would anyone happen to have an opinion on the aset and idealscope images below. I've read a bunch on what to look for in these and am still not quite sure what the meaning is. Is the blurriness of the arrows just bad imaging or does it mean some kind of painting/digging?

 

[distracts]

Is this a lab grown diamond and could the blurriness be those growth striations some of them have?

 

[firespark]

It is natural but there is a bit of internal and surface graining (eye-clean, only under magnification).

 

[tyty333]

Do you have a link to the gia/ags report? Link to the stone? (put on hold first)

 

[firespark]

There’s not much to go by at the moment than these details. Depth is not over 62%. I have seen the hearts and arrows view but didn’t post that as it seemed more straightforward than the aset. It for sure wouldn’t get any special hearts and arrows designation but looked alright aside from some chevrons being a bit too near or far.

 

[Karl_K]

need the angle and % numbers to see if its an aset setup problem or the stones has problems.
That suppliers aset setup is usually ok,
That means the stone is likely one to pass on but its not conclusive.
The IS image with the black background is not the correct way to use it.

 

[firespark]

Yes - unfortunately everything is done with a black background. This is another scope shot. It seems there is not much more detail due to the fact it's a gia natural faint being considered so cut grade is not available. Table is at 57%.

Reason for considering one a faint is just uniqueness and that anything more is really unreachably pricey. However it seems like with faints the wearer that knows it's that type of diamond rather than anyone else really knowing. Not looking for a super ideal by any means in this case, but it would be good to know cut is at least decent.

 

[Karl_K]

ah colored diamonds have different standards, they are cut to pop color vs the highest levels of light return.
Do you have any regular pictures or video?

 

[firespark]

No photo or video is available at the moment. Am I right in thinking it may at least have a bit of contrast and not overly terrible light leakage?

 

[Karl_K]

No photo or video is available at the moment. Am I right in thinking it may at least have a bit of contrast and not overly terrible light leakage?

min leakage but possibly more of a response to obstruction, lot of blue in aset and deeper blue on some of the arrows.

 

[firespark]

Thank you again for the thoughts on it.

Sorry, to clarify, is that meaning that it may actually leak but can’t be seen due to being obstructed?

 

[tyty333]

Are you considering buying a colored stone without seeing any images or videos of it?

 

[Karl_K]

Thank you again for the thoughts on it.

Sorry, to clarify, is that meaning that it may actually leak but can’t be seen due to being obstructed?

no, there is just normal leakage for the shape, there is more reaction to obstruction than considered normal.

@tyty333 raises a very good point above.

 

[firespark]

Thanks. No, I definitely would get images before for sure. Also this is backed by a good returns policy if it is terrible in person. Whilst waiting for further details it seemed worth it to get some ideas on what is already available. Was hoping it may have given an early indication it’s not worth looking at more but seems like it has at least some potential.

Looking at other diamonds that are also available but graded fully, I suspect it would be steep crown/shallow pavilion.

 

[firespark]

This is an image of actual diamond. The same blurriness from the aset seems to appear again here. Also black circle under the middle.

I’ve seen some posts previously claiming that this is obstruction during taking the photo, would that match up?

 

[tyty333]

Hard to tell what the color is from that pic. Can you get any other pictures of it? Do they have a good return policy?

From just that pic, I'd pass but that's me. I don't know what you are wanting/looking for.

 

[Karl_K]

From just that pic, I'd pass but that's me.

+1 for a ring, might be great in a pendant.

 

[firespark]

Hard to tell what the color is from that pic. Can you get any other pictures of it? Do they have a good return policy?

From just that pic, I'd pass but that's me. I don't know what you are wanting/looking for.

I’m basically looking for a size upgrade more than anything, but thought going for something like this would make it more special to me - I am aware it will just look “normal” to everyone else as it’s very faint.

But because it will look just like a normal diamond in most circumstances I’d want it to be as good or better in terms of looks than my current steep/deep which I’d hoped shouldn’t be too difficult to manage.

I am trying to get more details still. The returns policy seems good - I would have to pay for shipment back in the event if not liking it but this seems like common practice.

+1 for a ring, might be great in a pendant.

I’d be ideally turning the current diamond from ring into a pendant actually so this wouldn’t work.

I’ve been debating a size upgrade or just biting the bullet and recutting my current diamond. It’s a steep/deep and it doesn’t look too bad but I still wonder if it could look better.

I’m not sure which would be better, a larger non-super ideal (but with that special aspect of being a faint) that does not impact the sentimentality of my current diamond or risking the sentimental diamond to bring it into the dream spec - although sizing up would actually turn into sizing down. I can’t really afford a larger super ideal in a size or specs that make a difference from current.

 

[tyty333]

I dont think buying a new upgrade changes the sentimentality of your original stone especially if you are putting it in a
pendant. Well, for me it wouldn't. I do get how you say it wouldn't be as special because you bought another of the same
but bigger (better?) .

Can I ask what your budget/desired specs are? I'll throw this out there...have you considered a lab-created diamond? Not for
everyone, I know, but cheaper and still leaves your original diamond feeling more special.

If you let us know your specs/budget we may be able to help you hunt and find something in your budget. (Dang budgets! We
all have to deal with them.

 

[firespark]

I dont think buying a new upgrade changes the sentimentality of your original stone especially if you are putting it in a
pendant. Well, for me it wouldn't. I do get how you say it wouldn't be as special because you bought another of the same
but bigger (better?) .

Can I ask what your budget/desired specs are? I'll throw this out there...have you considered a lab-created diamond? Not for
everyone, I know, but cheaper and still leaves your original diamond feeling more special.

If you let us know your specs/budget we may be able to help you hunt and find something in your budget. (Dang budgets! We
all have to deal with them.

Sorry, yes, I read that back and it was confusing! I meant that sentimentality statement solely in comparison to recut (or trade in to recover value towards a new one).

I don't like lab created diamonds unfortunately. So I'd be looking for D, VS2+, 1.2 (about double size of current) carat+ coupled with less than $10k budget which is just unrealistic. Yes, I can go below D, below VS2, below 1.2 or increase budget but then this pushes me to the idea of just recut. Size would be basically the compromise in that case and I already have the diamond in hand.

This is why I was thinking maybe a more odd compromise would be fantastic as fancy coloured diamonds are a bit more unique and allow some of the decisions on compromise to go away.

Otherwise perhaps I just let this lie for a few more years.

 

[Kim N]

Sorry, yes, I read that back and it was confusing! I meant that sentimentality statement solely in comparison to recut (or trade in to recover value towards a new one).

I don't like lab created diamonds unfortunately. So I'd be looking for D, VS2+, 1.2 (about double size of current) carat+ coupled with less than $10k budget which is just unrealistic. Yes, I can go below D, below VS2, below 1.2 or increase budget but then this pushes me to the idea of just recut. Size would be basically the compromise in that case and I already have the diamond in hand.

This is why I was thinking maybe a more odd compromise would be fantastic as fancy coloured diamonds are a bit more unique and allow some of the decisions on compromise to go away.

Otherwise perhaps I just let this lie for a few more years.

Would you consider something like this?

1.20 Carat round diamond

This 1.2 carat round diamond E color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

 

[firespark]

Would you consider something like this?

1.20 Carat round diamond

This 1.2 carat round diamond E color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

That definitely gives ideas to think about. I'll have to have a further look around. It at least solidifies that I may be leaning towards wanting something more than just a size upgrade in my current one as this one is not as exciting as the one with the faint tint (despite all the flaws it may have).

 

[tyty333]

So, is your steep/deep stone in the .6 range? If so, I would not recut. IMO, the smaller the stone the harder it is to see
differences. Doesnt mean you wont but if it is steep/deep it's probably already facing up smaller than a well-cut .6ish
range (but maybe not). I wish you would give more detail in both this thread and the other thread you started. I feel
like we're trying to help with half the info (I know this is not intentional). Could you please update both threads with
the size of your steep/deep so we know all the details?

If it were me*, I would keep your sentimental (.6ish?) stone as is and purchase a new stone with the $10k. I would stay in
the DEF range vs. just D. What is the color of your current sentimental stone?

Another option

1.30 Carat round diamond

This 1.3 carat round diamond E color vs2 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.jamesallen.com

 

[firespark]

You guys are incredibly helpful, it is very much appreciated. I really appreciate your opinion on this.

I'll stop updating this thread as I think it's quite clear that sacrificing on the D grading is probably the best option to bring up the clarity grading. This is all the classic iron triangle and it's helpful to see truly what the price range is with the examples posted.

This has also been very helpful in terms of identifying what to aim for if I go with another diamond entirely. I opened the other thread as I was interested on digging into the recut aspect specifically without the noise of the first diamond I'd seen or options on other diamonds.