Ostrich Feather Wrap? Indy??

[violet02]

My bridesmaids are interested in getting a knit wrap with an ostrich feather collar. I thought it might be cool to get a white all feather wrap for myself. Does anyone know a good place to find one?

I saw that Indy has a lovely one... Indy where did you get yours?

Thanks!

 

[FacetFire]

I ordered one from this site, they have a bunch of options:

http://www.featherplace.com/ic/fp/item/G6002/Marabou-Shawls.html
http://www.featherplace.com/ic/fp/item/G6003/Marabou-Misses.html
http://www.featherplace.com/ic/fp/item/G16REV/Ostrich-and-Marabou-Reversible-Shawls.html

Hope that helps!

 

[violet02]

That does help, thank you!

 

[violet02]

Date: 4/7/2008 3:29:01 PM
Author: FacetFire
I ordered one from this site, they have a bunch of options:

http://www.featherplace.com/ic/fp/item/G6002/Marabou-Shawls.html
http://www.featherplace.com/ic/fp/item/G6003/Marabou-Misses.html
http://www.featherplace.com/ic/fp/item/G16REV/Ostrich-and-Marabou-Reversible-Shawls.html

Hope that helps!

Which one did you order by the way?

 

[FacetFire]

I ordered the last one that is reversible because I wasn''t sure if I wanted the short feather or long feather look. The long feathers are very glamorous! However, they might be too glamorous for my style. If it helps, I can take some pics for you tomorrow...

 

[violet02]

Date: 4/7/2008 9:36:33 PM
Author: FacetFire
I ordered the last one that is reversible because I wasn''t sure if I wanted the short feather or long feather look. The long feathers are very glamorous! However, they might be too glamorous for my style. If it helps, I can take some pics for you tomorrow...

Yup, I''d LOVE to see it! Thanks so much!

 

[FacetFire]

Ack, I''m having camera difficulties...I''ll try to get some pics later this week. Do you need to order one right away? Sorry!

 

[Gypsy]

Can I just say that I want one of these cause I love the look but...

I''m completely ignorant about the humane treatment of birds for feathers thing.

Do they have to kill the birds to get the feathers??? Anyone know? If it''s like fur, I can''t MYSELF wear it-- as I am pretty anti fur (not rabid, I won''t spray paint you, but I don''t buy or wear it). But if it''s a by product type thing (leather-- cows. Hey I eat ostitch, love it in fact), or its something that can be, EVEN BETTER, be collected while they are still ... doing whatever it is that LIVE ostrich do, then it MIGHT be a possibility.

Anyone???

 

[Loves Vintage]

http://www.chai-online.org/en/compassion/food_factory_ostriches.htm

"Birds are plucked and wing feathers are clipped. Blood vessels and nerves run through the center of the feather from the walls of the follicle root, where there are sensory fibers and nerves. Cutting can cause extreme pain and hemorrhaging. Feathers and plumes are also plucked and pulled out with pliers. Pulling out the quills increases the value of the hide since the torn follicle creates the distinctive scarred skin pattern. The industry claims this is painless, but studies and experiments on ostriches reveal that this procedure is in fact traumatic, and the birds develop marked avoidance behaviors and learned helplessness. The birds resist this painful process, so they are usually hooded with a bag-like cover over their head and forced into a confining plucking box, in order to protect workers from being kicked. New Zealand has prohibited live plucking of ostriches, although it does permit cutting of feathers by trained personnel."

 

[glueck]

Ouch.

 

[Gypsy]

Oooooooh Kay. That''s out. Completely. Thanks Vintage.

 

[violet02]

I read this on wikipedia:

The farming of Ostriches for their feathers does not harm the bird. During molting season the birds are gathered in a pen, burlap sacks are placed over their heads so they will remain calm and trained pickers pluck the loose molting feathers from the birds. The birds are then released unharmed back onto the farm.

I have eaten Ostrich meat and I do eat meat... which some could argue is cruel as well since animals aren't treated very well pre-slaughter.

 

[violet02]

Date: 4/8/2008 11:19:58 PM
Author: FacetFire
Ack, I''m having camera difficulties...I''ll try to get some pics later this week. Do you need to order one right away? Sorry!

Whenever you have time would be great, so thank you!

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 4/9/2008 4:12:38 PM
Author: violet02
I read this on wikipedia:

The farming of Ostriches for their feathers does not harm the bird. During molting season the birds are gathered in a pen, burlap sacks are placed over their heads so they will remain calm and trained pickers pluck the loose molting feathers from the birds. The birds are then released unharmed back onto the farm.

I have eaten Ostrich meat and I do eat meat... which some could argue is cruel as well since animals aren''t treated very well pre-slaughter.

Hi Violet, I completely agree. I''m a hypocrite in many ways as I do eat meat. I did not mean to cast judgement on yours or anyone else''s decisions. I am truly sorry if it came across that way.

Regarding Wikipedia -- that site while valueable, is editable by the public, so I don''t consider them an authority on many things. And while I eat them after they are dead I don''t want my animals tortured while they are alive. So I would take no joy in wearing something that I even "suspected'' of causing such pain to an animal.

 

[violet02]

Date: 4/9/2008 4:36:46 PM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 4/9/2008 4:12:38 PM
Author: violet02
I read this on wikipedia:

The farming of Ostriches for their feathers does not harm the bird. During molting season the birds are gathered in a pen, burlap sacks are placed over their heads so they will remain calm and trained pickers pluck the loose molting feathers from the birds. The birds are then released unharmed back onto the farm.

I have eaten Ostrich meat and I do eat meat... which some could argue is cruel as well since animals aren''t treated very well pre-slaughter.

Hi Violet, I completely agree. I''m a hypocrite in many ways as I do eat meat. I did not mean to cast judgement on yours or anyone else''s decisions. I am truly sorry if it came across that way.

Regarding Wikipedia -- that site while valueable, is editable by the public, so I don''t consider them an authority on many things. And while I eat them after they are dead I don''t want my animals tortured while they are alive. So I would take no joy in wearing something that I even ''suspected'' of causing such pain to an animal.

I think how they get ostrich feathers on wikipedia is essentially true BUT I also am sure there''s always some form of cruelty involved when you''re killing an animal or taking something from the animal it''s not dropping naturally per se. I personally would never wear fur. I''m anti-fur for sure. I own feather dusters though and honestly I probably will buy a feather shrug. It''s a tough call.

And no I don''t think you were casting judgement you were asking an honest question. It''s a judgement call we all have to make for ourselves I guess. In re: to torturing while they''re alive, just out of curiousity do you eat Veal or anything like that? I don''t personally but I have eaten it before. There''s lots of big debates on how animals are treated before they''re dead... some people consider that torture as well. But I''m not trying to spark a giant vegetarian vs carnivore argument here! Just throwing out thoughts on the matter.

 

[Gypsy]

I eat free range or cage free... or whatever it's called veal from whole foods when they have it. I *TRY* to be humane and aware. I don't always succeed. But I do try. I don't eat veal in restaurants and I've stopped eating Foie gras entirely (miss it, but can't eat it anymore with good conscience).

My MOH would skin me for the ostrich wrap, which I totally forgot about. Even IF I bought one... she'd kill me for it, so it's moot. She's a HUGE animal rights activitist and vegetarian-- though OCCASIONALLY she will slip and eat a burger (once every couple of years).

 

[violet02]

Date: 4/9/2008 4:49:25 PM
Author: Gypsy
I eat free range veal from whole foods when they have it. I *TRY* to be humane and aware. I don''t always succeed. But I do try.

My MOH would skin me for the ostrich wrap, which I totally forgot about. Even IF I bought one... she''d kill me for it, so it''s moot. She''s a HUGE animal rights activitist and vegetarian-- though OCCASIONALLY she will slip and eat a burger (once every couple of years).

I have a friend just like that. I try to be casual about the meat eating around here because it just sets her off. It''s annoying but easier to take the less painful route at times. If I had that situation I for sure wouldn''t wear it either.

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 4/9/2008 4:51:19 PM
Author: violet02

Date: 4/9/2008 4:49:25 PM
Author: Gypsy
I eat free range veal from whole foods when they have it. I *TRY* to be humane and aware. I don''t always succeed. But I do try.

My MOH would skin me for the ostrich wrap, which I totally forgot about. Even IF I bought one... she''d kill me for it, so it''s moot. She''s a HUGE animal rights activitist and vegetarian-- though OCCASIONALLY she will slip and eat a burger (once every couple of years).

I have a friend just like that. I try to be casual about the meat eating around here because it just sets her off. It''s annoying but easier to take the less painful route at times. If I had that situation I for sure wouldn''t wear it either.

Yeah, the eating meat doesn''t set her off much as her Fiance is an omnivore (though as time goes on he eats less and less at home) but anything like fur ... OUCH. Do NOT want to deal with that. She doesn''t like to wear silk because of the worms, so... forget the feathers. LOL.

Hope your friend doesn''t assault you at the wedding because of the wrap.

I did obviously make vegetarian arrangements for all the meals she''s attending. But she''s not just a vegetarian, she''s a fussy eater too. So we''ll see.

 

[mia1181]

Date: 4/9/2008 4:57:40 PM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 4/9/2008 4:51:19 PM
Author: violet02

Date: 4/9/2008 4:49:25 PM
Author: Gypsy
I eat free range veal from whole foods when they have it. I *TRY* to be humane and aware. I don''t always succeed. But I do try.

My MOH would skin me for the ostrich wrap, which I totally forgot about. Even IF I bought one... she''d kill me for it, so it''s moot. She''s a HUGE animal rights activitist and vegetarian-- though OCCASIONALLY she will slip and eat a burger (once every couple of years).

I have a friend just like that. I try to be casual about the meat eating around here because it just sets her off. It''s annoying but easier to take the less painful route at times. If I had that situation I for sure wouldn''t wear it either.

Yeah, the eating meat doesn''t set her off much as her Fiance is an omnivore (though as time goes on he eats less and less at home) but anything like fur ... OUCH. Do NOT want to deal with that. She doesn''t like to wear silk because of the worms, so... forget the feathers. LOL.

Hope your friend doesn''t assault you at the wedding because of the wrap.

I did obviously make vegetarian arrangements for all the meals she''s attending. But she''s not just a vegetarian, she''s a fussy eater too. So we''ll see.

OMG! I love that she even cares about animals that aren''t cute! I never heard that before about silk worms... I am more like you I love animals and really try to be conscious about things, but I still eat meat. But I can never kill a bug! I put them outside. It just feels too bad to kill something thats alive. Seriously, I''ve cried over dead plants and even the Triops my fiancee and I grew that we knew beforhand had a livespan of only few weeks (or whatever it was).

My best friend is veggie, but thankfully, she isn''t picky (or healthy for that matter) so as long as there are chips around, she survives!

 

[Loves Vintage]

Date: 4/9/2008 4:43:20 PM
Author: violet02

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Author: Gypsy

Date: 4/9/2008 4:12:38 PM

Author: violet02

I read this on wikipedia:


The farming of Ostriches for their feathers does not harm the bird. During molting season the birds are gathered in a pen, burlap sacks are placed over their heads so they will remain calm and trained pickers pluck the loose molting feathers from the birds. The birds are then released unharmed back onto the farm.


I have eaten Ostrich meat and I do eat meat... which some could argue is cruel as well since animals aren''t treated very well pre-slaughter.

Hi Violet, I completely agree. I''m a hypocrite in many ways as I do eat meat. I did not mean to cast judgement on yours or anyone else''s decisions. I am truly sorry if it came across that way.


Regarding Wikipedia -- that site while valueable, is editable by the public, so I don''t consider them an authority on many things. And while I eat them after they are dead I don''t want my animals tortured while they are alive. So I would take no joy in wearing something that I even ''suspected'' of causing such pain to an animal.

I think how they get ostrich feathers on wikipedia is essentially true BUT I also am sure there''s always some form of cruelty involved when you''re killing an animal or taking something from the animal it''s not dropping naturally per se. I personally would never wear fur. I''m anti-fur for sure. I own feather dusters though and honestly I probably will buy a feather shrug. It''s a tough call.


And no I don''t think you were casting judgement you were asking an honest question. It''s a judgement call we all have to make for ourselves I guess. In re: to torturing while they''re alive, just out of curiousity do you eat Veal or anything like that? I don''t personally but I have eaten it before. There''s lots of big debates on how animals are treated before they''re dead... some people consider that torture as well. But I''m not trying to spark a giant vegetarian vs carnivore argument here! Just throwing out thoughts on the matter.

I don''t intend to sound mean *but* when you mentioned you think what you read on wiki re: how they get ostrich feathers is essentially true -- that sounds like a convenient way to support what you want to be true. You want to wear some fluffy ostrich feathers at your wedding, and you don''t care if another living being has to be physically tormented in order for you to get your fluffy feathers, so you are going to believe one of the sites that says what you want it to say. For every site that says what you want, I can find a site that says the opposite, so how are you going to decide which is accurate, articles written by the people who are making money off of the fluffy feathers or by the people who are not?

For instance:

Just as the poultry industry misleads the public to think that debeaking chickens and turkeys is as painless as trimming one''s fingernails, so the ostrich and emu industry would have us believe that plucking feathers is as painless as cutting one''s hair. In fact, the feather of a bird is firmly held in a follicle, the wall of which is richly supplied with sensory fibers and nerves in the papilla, pulp, and feather muscles. Even clipping the feathers above the nerve endings pulls on the sensitive skin and muscle tissue to which the feathers are attached. Removing a feather from a bird requires a hard, steady pull.

Feather removal experiments on chickens (and other birds such as ducks) cause "marked changes" in the bird''s behavior, from an alert, agitated response including jumping, wing- flapping, and "vocalizations" following the initial removals, to periods of crouching immobility with the head drawn into the body and eyes partially or fully closed as the researcher''s pulling continues. These reactions exhibit the learned helplessness that develops in birds and other animals subjected to traumatic events that are aversive and that continue regardless of attempts by the victim to reduce or eliminate them.

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 4/9/2008 7:24:09 PM
Author: Loves Vintage
You want to wear some fluffy ostrich feathers at your wedding, and you don''t care if another living being has to be physically tormented in order for you to get your fluffy feathers, so you are going to believe one of the sites that says what you want it to say.

I understand, appreciate and respect your passion Vintage but the portions of your post qouted above are a little harsh. I don''t think it''s necessary to resort to a personal attack to get your point across, I think the remainder of your post speaks for itself.

 

[Loves Vintage]

Date: 4/9/2008 8:11:13 PM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 4/9/2008 7:24:09 PM

Author: Loves Vintage

You want to wear some fluffy ostrich feathers at your wedding, and you don''t care if another living being has to be physically tormented in order for you to get your fluffy feathers, so you are going to believe one of the sites that says what you want it to say.

I understand, appreciate and respect your passion Vintage but the portions of your post qouted above are a little harsh. I don''t think it''s necessary to resort to a personal attack to get your point across, I think the remainder of your post speaks for itself.

I hear what you''re saying; however, for what it''s worth, I used quite a bit of restraint in writing my above post. It is my opinion. I stand by it. It needn''t be taken as a personal attack by any one individual, but rather can be *shared* by all past and future feather wearers.

I usually restrain myself from commenting. I do not care if other people eat meat. It is their choice. What can I do? I do ridicule people who wear fur coats. Not always, because it is sometimes hard to tell fake vs. real, but sometimes people take to bragging about their "extravagances". I will comment, of course. In this instance, how can I not say something? That poor lovely bird.

 

[violet02]

Date: 4/9/2008 7:24:09 PM
Author: Loves Vintage


I don''t intend to sound mean *but* when you mentioned you think what you read on wiki re: how they get ostrich feathers is essentially true -- that sounds like a convenient way to support what you want to be true. You want to wear some fluffy ostrich feathers at your wedding, and you don''t care if another living being has to be physically tormented in order for you to get your fluffy feathers, so you are going to believe one of the sites that says what you want it to say. For every site that says what you want, I can find a site that says the opposite, so how are you going to decide which is accurate, articles written by the people who are making money off of the fluffy feathers or by the people who are not?

For instance:

Just as the poultry industry misleads the public to think that debeaking chickens and turkeys is as painless as trimming one''s fingernails, so the ostrich and emu industry would have us believe that plucking feathers is as painless as cutting one''s hair. In fact, the feather of a bird is firmly held in a follicle, the wall of which is richly supplied with sensory fibers and nerves in the papilla, pulp, and feather muscles. Even clipping the feathers above the nerve endings pulls on the sensitive skin and muscle tissue to which the feathers are attached. Removing a feather from a bird requires a hard, steady pull.

Feather removal experiments on chickens (and other birds such as ducks) cause ''marked changes'' in the bird''s behavior, from an alert, agitated response including jumping, wing- flapping, and ''vocalizations'' following the initial removals, to periods of crouching immobility with the head drawn into the body and eyes partially or fully closed as the researcher''s pulling continues. These reactions exhibit the learned helplessness that develops in birds and other animals subjected to traumatic events that are aversive and that continue regardless of attempts by the victim to reduce or eliminate them.

As I said in my post before it''s a personal judgement call. Just as eating meat, wearing leather, wearing fur or anything else anyone chooses to do is up to them. We can only make decisions for ourselves not for other people. As Gypsy said I do appreciate your passion for the topic but no need for the harshness.

Also I would like to see a photo of facetfire in the shurg she bought as I originally posted and I would prefer to just stick to that topic rather than resort to anything too harsh here.

 

[violet02]

Date: 4/9/2008 8:42:36 PM
Author: Loves Vintage

Date: 4/9/2008 8:11:13 PM
Author: Gypsy

Date: 4/9/2008 7:24:09 PM

Author: Loves Vintage

You want to wear some fluffy ostrich feathers at your wedding, and you don''t care if another living being has to be physically tormented in order for you to get your fluffy feathers, so you are going to believe one of the sites that says what you want it to say.

I understand, appreciate and respect your passion Vintage but the portions of your post qouted above are a little harsh. I don''t think it''s necessary to resort to a personal attack to get your point across, I think the remainder of your post speaks for itself.

I hear what you''re saying; however, for what it''s worth, I used quite a bit of restraint in writing my above post. It is my opinion. I stand by it. It needn''t be taken as a personal attack by any one individual, but rather can be *shared* by all past and future feather wearers.

I usually restrain myself from commenting. I do not care if other people eat meat. It is their choice. What can I do? I do ridicule people who wear fur coats. Not always, because it is sometimes hard to tell fake vs. real, but sometimes people take to bragging about their ''extravagances''. I will comment, of course. In this instance, how can I not say something? That poor lovely bird.

You know I haven''t even bought anything yet. So in essence you''re "attacking" the person who purchased it and I feel badly about that because she kind of got dragged into the middle of a heated topic when offering some links and offering to take some photos for me.

 

[Ali]

Date: 4/9/2008 8:42:36 PM
Author: Loves Vintage

I do ridicule people who wear fur coats.

Ridicule of any kind, on any subject. or of anyone, will not be tolerated here.