Pat Robertson Speaks Again!

[AGBF]

Yes, the man with God''s ear, who recently suggested the US assassinate the Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, has spoken again! This time he is dealing with domestic issues! He is warning the town of Dover, Pennsylvania, which voted out all eight members of the school board who had insisted that intelligent design be taught along with evolution, that they are courting doom.


"VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (AP) - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned residents of a rural Pennsylvania town Thursday that disaster may strike there because they ''voted God out of your city'' by ousting school board members who favored teaching intelligent design.

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''I''d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don''t turn to God. You just rejected him from your city,'' Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network''s `''700 Club.''

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Later Thursday, Robertson issued a statement saying he was simply trying to point out that ''our spiritual actions have consequences. God is tolerant and loving, but we can''t keep sticking our finger in his eye forever,'' Robertson said. ''If they have future problems in Dover, I recommend they call on Charles Darwin. Maybe he can help them.''

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In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to ''kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.''"


Deborah

 

[strmrdr]

I think he has a good point.
Dont look to God for help if you kick him out of your town.

 

[movie zombie]

Date: 11/10/2005 11:58:06 PM
Author: strmrdr
I think he has a good point.
Dont look to God for help if you kick him out of your town.

and just how was ''God'' kicked out of Dover? they didn''t close the churches......

peace, movie zombies

 

[IndiBlue]

I think the point is that Pat Robertson is most likely nuts.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 11/10/2005 11:58:06 PM
Author: strmrdr
Dont look to God for help if you kick him out of your town.

I think you are being silly. The curriculum of the science department in a public school system should not be controlled by a religious group. Science is not religion and schools are not houses of worship. Keeping religion and school separate is sensible and does not mean that the people writing the science curriculum have any particular set of religious beliefs. (Except that I guess we know they are not religious fanatics to the point where they feel the need to create a religious state as the Taliban did, making all secular institutions subject to their interpretation of God's Law.)

Do you really think the US needs to be ruled by religious law as the Taliban ruled, allowing a religious group to bring its own interpretation of God into US schools? I think you were probably thinking the Christian God should be allowed in, no? But not everyone is Christian, Storm. Why not let everyone woship where and when he pleases (if at all)?

Deb

 

[MINE!!]

Date: 11/11/2005 10:36:43 AM
Author: AGBF

Date: 11/10/2005 11:58:06 PM

Author: strmrdr

Dont look to God for help if you kick him out of your town.

Do you really think the US needs to be ruled by religious law as the Taliban ruled, allowing a religious group to bring its own interpretation of God into US schools? I think you were probably thinking the Christian God should be allowed in, no? But not everyone is Christian, Storm. Why not let everyone woship where and when he pleases (if at all)?


Deb

Christian God? I think it is more like One True God... there are many false gods, but the problem is that many people are ignorant about what evolutioin really is... is that is why people are fighting about it.

Many people still think evolution is about man from monkeys, primordial mud and the missing link and survival of the fittest... UGH!! IGNORANCE is BLISS!!! Do I want my children learning about the theory of evolution in school? Sure.. why not, but when they come home I remiind them that none of this 'evolution' would not have been possible if God had not contructed it and breathed LIFE in the first place. Yet, I do not think this gives atheist or pagans a soapbox to express their 'rights'

about God being in the schools. God will ALWAYS be in the schools and there will ALWAYS be the rights of the Children that believe in the God that this COUNTRY was founded on. And there will always be those of us that will speak out against trying to brainwash our children to hell.

But.... I have to laugh at Pat Robertson.. he is just losing it....

I once heard that "If you don't go to God's House, why should he come to yours?" My answer is that God gives up on NO ONE... NO ONE!! Not a town, not a city, not a pagan , not an atheist.. no one. He is always there, waiting to run to ANYONE who calls his name.

 

[rubydick]

"God will ALWAYS be in the schools and there will ALWAYS be the rights of the Children that believe in the God that this COUNTRY was founded on."

Certainly you will get no argument from me that people should be allowed to worship as they please, pray when and where they please, etc. But the notion of "the God that this country was founded on" simply does not pass muster. The US Constitution, the primary document governing this nation, does not mention the word "god," let alone a god the country is "founded on."

While it is often difficult to peer into the minds of the founding fathers, the issue that the US was founded on belief in a single god (I assume you mean the Christian god here; pardon if I''m mistaken) can easily be disproven.

In 1796, a treaty was authored by American diplomat Joseph Barlow. That treaty was sent to the US Senate for ratifiication in 1797, where it passed unanimously. President John Adams signed it into law, introducing the treaty in the following way:

"Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof."

Article 11 of the treaty reads as follows:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

This treaty is of particular interest because it was ratified at a time when virtually all of the founding fathers were still active in politics. Indeed, many were part of the Senate at the time.

So there you have it. A clear statement agreed to by many of the Founding Fathers that would arguably demonstrate that our nation was specifically NOT founded on any particular religion, specifically not founded on Christianity.

Let''s not forget, the First Amendment of the Constitution is quite specific regarding religion:

"Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

For those who wish to explore the Treaty of Tripoli further, see this link:

John Barlow and the Treaty of Tripoli

 

[AGBF]

A federal judge has ruled that Pennsylvania cannot teach "intelligent design" as part of its biology curriculum.

article

 

[AGBF]

Did anyone doubt that this man would continue in his psychopathic rambling? If so, doubt no more! Ariel Sharon''s stroke was God''s punishment to him for dividing His (God''s) land!

Pat Robertson on Ariel Sharon''s Stroke

 

[lmurden]

Pat Robertson is a disgusting human being!

I wonder about his followers.

 

[fire&ice]

I wonder how long it would take for this to make the PS headline.

Really, what is his agenda w/ all this rhetoric? He has to know that it will put him in the media - w/ not the highest of spin. Or, maybe that is precisely what he wants.

 

[lmurden]

Date: 1/6/2006 10:04:53 AM
Author: fire&ice
I wonder how long it would take for this to make the PS headline.

Really, what is his agenda w/ all this rhetoric? He has to know that it will put him in the media - w/ not the highest of spin. Or, maybe that is precisely what he wants.

I''m sure it''s what he wants!

 

[FireGoddess]

If I were God I''d be embarassed that this jack@ss is using my name in such a horrible way...saying people deserve to die or be struck down in the idiotic way that he does for the idiotic reasons that he does. Talk about someone deserving to be struck down by God.....

 

[colormyworld]

Mine!!!!! The important thing is not if God is in our schools or city hall or any other physical locaction. The important thing is if God is in our hearts. I for one don't believe pat robertson has God in his heart.

 

[ame]

This guy needs to stop speaking.

 

[Rank Amateur]

I hope (pray to God?) that Pat Robertson doesn''t have too much influence in our society.

His Zionist remarks about Sharon are much MUCH more dangerous than the babble about creation v. science.

 

[Rank Amateur]

Date: 11/17/2005 10:56:25 PM
Author: Richard Hughes
the notion of ''the God that this country was founded on'' simply does not pass muster. The US Constitution, the primary document governing this nation, does not mention the word ''god,'' let alone a god the country is ''founded on.''

While it is often difficult to peer into the minds of the founding fathers, the issue that the US was founded on belief in a single god (I assume you mean the Christian god here; pardon if I''m mistaken) can easily be disproven.

Only disproven in the mind of those predisposed to believe so.

The Declaration of Independence trumps the Treaty of Tripoli every time and it says the (future) USA was out to procure certain unalienable rights endowed by The Creator. Heck, creationism is right there. For those who have been living outside the country for a while when it says The Creator it means GOD. One God.

 

[MINE!!]

Date: 1/6/2006 4:59:35 PM
Author: colormyworld
Mine!!!!! The important thing is not if God is in our schools or city hall or any other physical locaction. The important thing is if God is in our hearts. I for one don''t believe pat robertson has God in his heart.

Colormyworld
If you look closely you will see that I was responding to the first issue that was brought about in this thread concerning God in schools and the teacing of evolution. Wether God is in the Heart of Pat Robertson I have no idea and will not deem to attmept to guess. But what I do know is the very same thing that I said in my orginal post is that Robertson is just losing it. Many people are not listening to him anyway... this includes Christains. I think he is a trip, self absorbed and so sure of his importance...LOL...

 

[FireGoddess]

It''s the few people that DO listen to him that scare me.....

 

[Maria D]

Date: 1/6/2006 8:58:14 PM
Author: Rank Amateur

Only disproven in the mind of those predisposed to believe so.

The Declaration of Independence trumps the Treaty of Tripoli every time and it says the (future) USA was out to procure certain unalienable rights endowed by The Creator. Heck, creationism is right there. For those who have been living outside the country for a while when it says The Creator it means GOD. One God.

Except it doesn't say The Creator. It says:

>>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. <<

I am always amazed at the prescient wisdom of the forefathers of the U.S. The wording very carefully does NOT refer to any one segment of society's belief and certainly does not make reference to a Christian God.

THEIR Creator is hugely different from THE Creator. If you believe that your Creator is Allah, then Allah endows you with certain unalienable rights. If you believe in Zeus, Hera and Hephaestus, you are still endowed with those same rights. If you believe you were created by the Easter Bunny, that's OK too. If you are an Atheist and believe your Creation has nothing to do with a Supreme Being, but is just Random Biological Chance, those unalienable rights are endowed upon you still.

If the authors of the Declaration wished to base anything on the notion of One God they would have been very, very, clear about it. Go and actually read the document and notice how clear they are about the injustices suffered under King George III!

 

[AGBF]

It''s just great to see you posting here, Maria D! I hope we can induce you to remain amongst us!

Deborah

 

[moon river]

I first heard of this on ''The View'' right after it happened. Joy Behar actually called the town of Dover to see if they were okay

. I think his family needs to start looking for him a nice home to rest in.

 

[ame]

I have this fantasty that when he goes away and there''s no more him to run that station...that someone like Ted Turner buys it and makes it into some kind of soft-core **** channel. Like Skinamax or something.