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marshmellowluver

marshmellowluver

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Hi All,

I received a recommendation for a Pear from the lovely Yekutiel at IDJ. Pear is 1.04 ct, K VS2. Do you think this is a good stone? I know it is more slender 1.72 ratio, but I don't mind the spread and elongated shape :) I currently have a round brilliant, and would like a pear that also sparkles. Do you think this would have good light performance? Thank you so much!

The video of the stone is here:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.04-carat-k-color-vs1-clarity-sku-2659810

Here are the images:
GIA 1258316868-ASET black (Fancy)-01.jpg GIA 1258316868-ASET white-01.jpg GIA 1258316868-IdealScope-01.jpg GIA 1258316868-Officelight black-01.jpg
 
Oh gosh, NO! That pear is just awful IMO!

What is your budget? Is this for a ring or necklace?
 
It would be for a ring.. Could you tell me why it is awful? Yekutiel seems to really like it and I thought the chunky light reflection does not look bad. I'm trying to be very limited with the budget so ~2600.

I know pears can be very hard so really appreciate the feedback!
 
marked pear.PNG
All this yellow(K color) showing up brown is not attractive. These areas are typical areas of "mush" in a pear but because this one is low in
color it really stands out (the mush accentuates color since it is not returning light). As the stone turns on JA it does seem to have some
nice area of facets light up down the sides of the stone.
side marks on pear.PNG

Its going to be hard to find a stone this big (Lxw) in your budget but let me look around some and see if I (or someone else) can find something large
that might not show so much brown/yellow in the mushy areas...unless you like the brown/yellow?
 
Of course not finding much on the longer side. These are the only ones i could find on the longer side and none are perfect but better than your
original IMO. I think the first one is pretty nice and I also like the BN stone.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.03-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-sku-4328773
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.00-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-sku-2673682 thick girdle
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.90-carat-i-color-si2-clarity-sku-4312971

BlueNile
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

We could look for a stone that has nice light return and a better ratio but its not going to be as big as you are looking at. I think
since this is going to be a ring and you'll be able to see it all the time that you should go with a more standard ratio with good light
return.
 
@cflutist @tyty333 thank you so much for the thorough feedback and suggestions. I'm going to carefully look into these and find ones that might still be good to consider. I will also check back if I find some that might be candidates.. Thanks!
 
tyty333 said:
marked pear.PNG
All this yellow(K color) showing up brown is not attractive. These areas are typical areas of "mush" in a pear but because this one is low in
color it really stands out (the mush accentuates color since it is not returning light). As the stone turns on JA it does seem to have some
nice area of facets light up down the sides of the stone.
side marks on pear.PNG

Its going to be hard to find a stone this big (Lxw) in your budget but let me look around some and see if I (or someone else) can find something large
that might not show so much brown/yellow in the mushy areas...unless you like the brown/yellow?
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You do such helpful diagrams!:appl:
 
Sorry marshmellow, I'm not keen either looking at the ASET.

It powers up ok with light being streamed through it, away from that though it's not going to do much sparkle wise I wouldn't have thought. Not uncommon with fancies and pears in particular but I believe you can do better.
 
tyty333 said:
Of course not finding much on the longer side. These are the only ones i could find on the longer side and none are perfect but better than your
original IMO. I think the first one is pretty nice and I also like the BN stone.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.03-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-sku-4328773
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.00-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-sku-2673682 thick girdle
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.90-carat-i-color-si2-clarity-sku-4312971

BlueNile
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

We could look for a stone that has nice light return and a better ratio but its not going to be as big as you are looking at. I think
since this is going to be a ring and you'll be able to see it all the time that you should go with a more standard ratio with good light
return.
Click to expand...

I like the BN pear too.
 
Yuketiel would probably be able to call in any of the ones recommended above.
 
ringo865 said:
Yuketiel would probably be able to call in any of the ones recommended above.
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Thank you so much everyone :wavey: and Yes Yekutiel is trying to get the BN stone in.. I'm so excited! Hopefully it would be a good candidate and will keep everyone posted!
 
marshmellowluver said:
Thank you so much everyone :wavey: and Yes Yekutiel is trying to get the BN stone in.. I'm so excited! Hopefully it would be a good candidate and will keep everyone posted!
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That's brilliant, let us know what happens!
 
Hi All,

When Yekutiel and I were talking earlier, we also considered this one. He had some concern on the black specs, but I think for the size of the stone it won't be too noticeable. This would be a G, I1, 1.56 ratio. dimensions: 9.36*5.99*3.54. Love the color and dimensions. The only thing is, this stone is overseas, and once purchased, I cannot return it. But I thought still worth considering, if the ASET looks promising enough. If it is a go - Yekutiel can do his magic and make it within my budget!

@Lorelei @tyty333 @cflutist - what do you think? :)

Pear2.png

video on ja: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.20-carat-g-color-i1-clarity-sku-3461176

Many thanks!!
 
My biggest word of advice to you, having been through this a month ago, is make sure you get the L/W ratio right. I personally wanted something at 1.5 and anything I looked at that was longer than say 1.52 just did not work for me.

When I started the whole process the jeweller bought one in for me at 1.6 and told me that it would look great and that it would appear closer to a 2ct than a 1.5ct due to how long it was. It looked great in person, but when they drew it up for me on CAD and put it onto a ring, I was super disappointed with how it looked.
 
marshmellowluver said:
Hi All,

When Yekutiel and I were talking earlier, we also considered this one. He had some concern on the black specs, but I think for the size of the stone it won't be too noticeable. This would be a G, I1, 1.56 ratio. dimensions: 9.36*5.99*3.54. Love the color and dimensions. The only thing is, this stone is overseas, and once purchased, I cannot return it. But I thought still worth considering, if the ASET looks promising enough. If it is a go - Yekutiel can do his magic and make it within my budget!

@Lorelei @tyty333 @cflutist - what do you think? :)

Pear2.png

video on ja: https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.20-carat-g-color-i1-clarity-sku-3461176

Many thanks!!
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I like the shape - however. There are risks with the inclusions and the pear being non returnable, if it's not eye clean to your satisfaction then that will forever bother you and also as it's I1, will that worry you?

The ASET's similar to the other. This pear shows some dead areas and it has a definite bow tie. It also has a grade making cloud down the list, in I1 I'd definitely want to make sure this isn't having a negative effect.

That there's no return policy would be a no for me, but that's just my feeling. Let's see what else is out there maybe?
 
@KingKuda @Lorelei thanks again for being so helpful and putting some sense into me. This is a no go - no returns is too risky for an I. I know I just want to jump on the stone that have a potential but better keep my head cool and search more. Thanks again - will keep all posted with new finds!
 
Hi Marshmellow. I know you've already vetoed this last stone, but just wanted to also point out that this last stone did not look symmetrical and one side was starting to look a bit square. That would bother me. I think that for fancy stones, symmetry is very important. Especially with a Pear/heart/marquis with rounded and pointy sides.
 
marshmellowluver said:
@KingKuda @Lorelei thanks again for being so helpful and putting some sense into me. This is a no go - no returns is too risky for an I. I know I just want to jump on the stone that have a potential but better keep my head cool and search more. Thanks again - will keep all posted with new finds!
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You're welcome and very glad to help. It's too important and the time spent getting it right will be well worth it!

You WILL find the right one.
 
marshmellowluver said:
Hi again everyone! I think I found the one! It is a JA stone, also an F close to my budget after the JA Advantage program. I have put it on hold for now. The ASET would be shared tomorrow.

Looking at the video, could you please share your thoughts?

Hope this get a thumbs up from everyone!

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.02-carat-f-color-i1-clarity-sku-4270338
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I like it! The shape is good, bow tie appears to be minimal as far as I can tell and it's icy, let's see what the ASET looks like.

It does have an inclusion smack under the table though, will that worry you and have JA said if it's eye clean to your specs?
 
Just got the ASET for the stone :)

Would love to know what you all think! It's good that the ratio is 1.8 - but it looks proportional to me, and even on the chubbier side! Could someone explain why this is? I was considering another 1.72 ratio that looks really slender (the first ASET image on this thread)

@Lorelei - really hope this looks good.. thank you!!

4270338.jpg
 
marshmellowluver said:
Hi again everyone! I think I found the one! It is a JA stone, also an F close to my budget after the JA Advantage program. I have put it on hold for now. The ASET would be shared tomorrow.

Looking at the video, could you please share your thoughts?

Hope this get a thumbs up from everyone!

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.02-carat-f-color-i1-clarity-sku-4270338
Click to expand...

I'm a fan of the shape top down...its that fat pear I'm more partial towards. But again that is my personal preference. I know you said you like a longer pear (is the chubbiness going to bother you?)

I agree with @Lorelei that it is a lovely icy color and there appears to be a few inclusions right in the center of the table and a bit of to the right. I would ask JA what that is and if it comes all the way to the table since it looks like a crack (to my somewhat untrained eye) and I would worry about structural integrity.
 
marshmellowluver said:
Just got the ASET for the stone :)

Would love to know what you all think! It's good that the ratio is 1.8 - but it looks proportional to me, and even on the chubbier side! Could someone explain why this is? I was considering another 1.72 ratio that looks really slender (the first ASET image on this thread)

@Lorelei - really hope this looks good.. thank you!!

4270338.jpg
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marshmellowluver, on my computer screen the image of this pear measures 120x85 mm. so the L/W is 1.41. Perhaps this explains why it looks to be more on the chubbier side. How did you come up with 1.8?
 
I double checked the L/W ratio as well because it's definetly not the 1.81 that certificate suggests.

Soemthing very unusual going on here.
 
There's got to be a typo in the dimensions listed on the cert, or they've matched the cert to the wrong stone.
 
KingKuda said:
I double checked the L/W ratio as well because it's definetly not the 1.81 that certificate suggests.

Soemthing very unusual going on here.
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prs said:
There's got to be a typo in the dimensions listed on the cert, or they've matched the cert to the wrong stone.
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Hi All - You are correct! This must be very rare, but JA made an error listing the stone I picked above. I've now cancelled the order for this stone!

I have now put these 4 options on hold. I have the ASETs requested for the two JA stones, but would like to know your opinion after seeing the video as well. All of these have ~9mm height which is what I am looking for.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/1.02-carat-f-color-i1-clarity-sku-3691356
(This is the actual stone on the cert, also lovely I thought)
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/pear-shaped/0.93-carat-k-color-si1-clarity-sku-4245039

https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-de...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

Looking forward to what you think. Thanks much!
 
I feel like you are rushing this far far too quickly.

I know it's personal preference, but are you certain that a pear with L/W of 1.8 is actually what you want? The one you thought you were purchasing was at closer to 1.45 and you were happy with those images, now 24 hours you are posting long, sling diamonds that look nothing like the previous one.

If a L/W of 1.8 is something you think you want, I strongly advise you go and look at some thing similar in store before purchasing. It is not a very popular ratio which doesn't mean it's not nice, but I think you might be underestimating the impact that it has in the appearance of a diamond.
 
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