Pear Modified brilliant vs Rose cut

[Mrs_Strizzle]

Hi everyone! I recently bought this pre loved jewel and was surprised to see that the GIA didn't deem it a Rose cut, but a Pear Modified beilliant. So I ask, does the GIA have set criteria of specifics which a rose cut has to fall under, like the OECs do? Does anyone know what they are? My feelers aren't hurt at all about it, just curious. I have asked the designer of the ring if she recalls if it is a newly cut diamond or if it's vintage. I haven't heard back. Here's the vendor pic of the stone. Thanks in advance for any insight!

 

[Begonia]

Hi everyone! I recently bought this pre loved jewel and was surprised to see that the GIA didn't deem it a Rose cut, but a Pear Modified beilliant. So I ask, does the GIA have set criteria of specifics which a rose cut has to fall under, like the OECs do? Does anyone know what they are? My feelers aren't hurt at all about it, just curious. I have asked the designer of the ring if she recalls if it is a newly cut diamond or if it's vintage. I haven't heard back. Here's the vendor pic of the stone. Thanks in advance for any insight!

I'm not too sure...I'll have to try it on before answering...

(Sorry for wasting your time)

 

[HS4S_2]

Edit: it does show as a oval rose cut.

I can't remember 100 percent, but I think my rose cut was also a modified brilliant on the GIA report. I will see if I can find it.

 

[ItsMainelyYou]

I don't know any of this definitively, but it may have to do with the style of faceting. Old rose cuts have very few actual facets, this stone is more of a Dutch rose cut.

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

Edit: it does show as a oval rose cut.

I can't remember 100 percent, but I think my rose cut was also a modified brilliant on the GIA report. I will see if I can find it.

Ooooh, can I see it?

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

I don't know any of this definitively, but it may have to do with the style of faceting. Old rose cuts have very few actual facets, this stone is more of a Dutch rose cut.

Wow, I love this @ItsMainelyYou ! Thank you for sharing. Of course it makes sense that there are many different styles, I just wasn't aware of how many. I may just have added a pendeloque rose to the must have list!

 

[HS4S_2]

Ooooh, can I see it?

It now belongs to the lovely @elizat

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

It now belongs to the lovely @elizat

Omg, this is the ring that sealed the deal for me that I needed a Rosie! So, so beautiful.

 

[AllAboardTheBlingTrain]

I don't know any of this definitively, but it may have to do with the style of faceting. Old rose cuts have very few actual facets, this stone is more of a Dutch rose cut.

This is so fascinating, and I had no idea that rose cuts came in so many different styles! This also explains so much - I saw a pair of earrings at a jeweler’s that were rose cuts set as brilliant cuts, but what was incredible about them was that you couldn’t tell (without very close inspection, completely unlike “normal” rose cuts) that they were not brilliant cuts. Looking at this chart, they may have been three facet roses, which seem to have more facets than typical rose cuts (and so are probably easier to get them to look like brilliant cuts with foiling).

 

[Mreader]

Omg, this is the ring that sealed the deal for me that I needed a Rosie! So, so beautiful.

Agreed it is TDF! @HS4S_2 has amazing taste.

 

[caolsen]

When I had my FLY double dutch rose cut appraised (I don’t send everything to GIA as I don’t want to unset stones and give them more money) I asked about how and if roses are graded by GIA. The jeweler is a GIA grad, used to work there and as tough a grader as I have seen. His comments was that asking GIA to grade a cut on anything but a round is like asking a parent to grade the quality of their own kid’s art - aka they can’t do it objectively. Not sure what he totally meant by it, but it made me laugh.

Anyway, he said that like rounds until recently, there is no cut classification for roses as a cut, they are bundeled into their outline shape - rounds, pear, oval, etc. So any rose of any rose cut type shaped like a pear is a Modified Brilliant.

I do wonder with the growth in popularity of rose and portraits if the GIA needs to sort out a way to recognize non brilliant cuts and grade them, finally?

 

[Mrs_Strizzle]

When I had my FLY double dutch rose cut appraised (I don’t send everything to GIA as I don’t want to unset stones and give them more money) I asked about how and if roses are graded by GIA. The jeweler is a GIA grad, used to work there and as tough a grader as I have seen. His comments was that asking GIA to grade a cut on anything but a round is like asking a parent to grade the quality of their own kid’s art - aka they can’t do it objectively. Not sure what he totally meant by it, but it made me laugh.

Anyway, he said that like rounds until recently, there is no cut classification for roses as a cut, they are bundeled into their outline shape - rounds, pear, oval, etc. So any rose of any rose cut type shaped like a pear is a Modified Brilliant.

I do wonder with the growth in popularity of rose and portraits if the GIA needs to sort out a way to recognize non brilliant cuts and grade them, finally?

Agreed and very interesting. You would certainly think in this day and age the undisputed leader of grading diamonds should be well versed in the mass majority of cuts. Especially the ones that have been around for 500 plus years. But I guess like all fancy shapes, these are not bought by the numbers but for what your eye likes. The reports tell us what we "need" to know like inclusions, color, etc.

As I suggested in the opening of this thread, my rose by a different name certainly smells just as sweet to me. My inquiring mind just wants to learn more.