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Refugees or Evacuees
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I guess if whatever they''ve been evacuated from no longer exists then they become refugees? I''m not sure what the distinction is. Ok, based on the below (aside from the extraneous bodily associates w/ "evacuate") it seems like the only difference is the former is more of "one who flees" while the latter is "one who is removed." Both situations denote danger. I think refugee just sounds more sensationalistic.....but I still think that one could start out as an evacuee and then--if it turns out they have no home to which to return they could then BECOME a refugee? Either way is a tragedy.
Main Entry: ref·u·gee
Pronunciation: "re-fyu-''jE, ''re-fyu-"
Function: noun
Etymology: French réfugié, past participle of (se) réfugier to take refuge, from Latin refugium
: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution
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Main Entry: evac·u·ee
Pronunciation: i-"va-ky&-''wE
Function: noun
: an evacuated person
Main Entry: evac·u·ate
Pronunciation: i-''va-ky&-"wAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Middle English, to draw off morbid humors, from Latin evacuatus, past participle of evacuare to empty, from e- + vacuus empty
transitive senses
1 : to remove the contents of : EMPTY
2 : to discharge from the body as waste : VOID
3 : to remove something (as gas or water) from especially by pumping
4 a : to remove especially from a military zone or dangerous area b : to withdraw from military occupation of c : VACATE
intransitive senses
1 : to withdraw from a place in an organized way especially for protection
2 : to pass urine or feces from the body
- evac·u·a·tive /-"wA-tiv/ adjective
Main Entry: ref·u·gee
Pronunciation: "re-fyu-''jE, ''re-fyu-"
Function: noun
Etymology: French réfugié, past participle of (se) réfugier to take refuge, from Latin refugium
: one that flees; especially : a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution
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Main Entry: evac·u·ee
Pronunciation: i-"va-ky&-''wE
Function: noun
: an evacuated person
Main Entry: evac·u·ate
Pronunciation: i-''va-ky&-"wAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Middle English, to draw off morbid humors, from Latin evacuatus, past participle of evacuare to empty, from e- + vacuus empty
transitive senses
1 : to remove the contents of : EMPTY
2 : to discharge from the body as waste : VOID
3 : to remove something (as gas or water) from especially by pumping
4 a : to remove especially from a military zone or dangerous area b : to withdraw from military occupation of c : VACATE
intransitive senses
1 : to withdraw from a place in an organized way especially for protection
2 : to pass urine or feces from the body
- evac·u·a·tive /-"wA-tiv/ adjective
thebanjodog
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the refugee term did not bother me personally because i did not think of it as a derogatory term at all.
as was mentioned before the evacuate word in medical terminology can mean to evacuate the bowel. meaning to me to empty it. in terms of an impending hurricane they want to evacuate people to empty the area that is threatened.
when i think of refugees i think of people who are seeking refuge. in this scenario the people did not evacuate the area and now they are seeking refuge from the horrible conditions that are left after the hurricane.
this is just my perception of the terminology and i personally don''t find refugee to be offensive but i certainly would not want to use the term if it was hurtful to anybody. banjo
as was mentioned before the evacuate word in medical terminology can mean to evacuate the bowel. meaning to me to empty it. in terms of an impending hurricane they want to evacuate people to empty the area that is threatened.
when i think of refugees i think of people who are seeking refuge. in this scenario the people did not evacuate the area and now they are seeking refuge from the horrible conditions that are left after the hurricane.
this is just my perception of the terminology and i personally don''t find refugee to be offensive but i certainly would not want to use the term if it was hurtful to anybody. banjo
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To me the term refugee conjours up images of people who have escaped a dangerous situation and now are seeking safety and shelter elsewhere. I don''t think economic status has anything to do with it. If I lost my home and needed to find shelter elsewhere I would consider myself a storm refugee. I think it describes those poor souls perfectly.
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I don''t see a problem with the use of either term. It does not change how I look at the people involved.
I am more upset with the people who are trying to make an issue out of it.
My view: I''m an American. Are you. Yes or No.
I don''t want to hear anything else (unless you are from another country). Those who fractionalize are tearing us apart.
Generally there are two kinds of people out there: Those who are willing to take responsibility for themselves and their families (and only ask for or accept major help when there is a real emergency); and those who are always looking for a handout and want someone else to solve their problems for them - because someone else is always at fault. The first kind is what builds america (or whatever country you are in). The second kind tears it down.
Me, I''m looking for Americans who take responsibility for themselves and their families. We can differ on a lot of things - and we will generally get along.
I''m not looking for someone who is some "sub" this or that - nor someone who lives on handouts and blames everything on others. Sorry, we aren''t going to get along much at all.
When I am with people from other countries: I am looking for people who are proudly whatever their country is. We will also get along.
Nothing else matters. And it upsets me those who think it does and who keep claiming it does.
Please don''t tell me I don''t understand discrimination - man, you don''t know my background - at all.
Refugee or Evacuee. All the same to me. The only question I have is how can I, and others I can find, help those who want to be helped so that they can rebuild their life.
Perry
I am more upset with the people who are trying to make an issue out of it.
My view: I''m an American. Are you. Yes or No.
I don''t want to hear anything else (unless you are from another country). Those who fractionalize are tearing us apart.
Generally there are two kinds of people out there: Those who are willing to take responsibility for themselves and their families (and only ask for or accept major help when there is a real emergency); and those who are always looking for a handout and want someone else to solve their problems for them - because someone else is always at fault. The first kind is what builds america (or whatever country you are in). The second kind tears it down.
Me, I''m looking for Americans who take responsibility for themselves and their families. We can differ on a lot of things - and we will generally get along.
I''m not looking for someone who is some "sub" this or that - nor someone who lives on handouts and blames everything on others. Sorry, we aren''t going to get along much at all.
When I am with people from other countries: I am looking for people who are proudly whatever their country is. We will also get along.
Nothing else matters. And it upsets me those who think it does and who keep claiming it does.
Please don''t tell me I don''t understand discrimination - man, you don''t know my background - at all.
Refugee or Evacuee. All the same to me. The only question I have is how can I, and others I can find, help those who want to be helped so that they can rebuild their life.
Perry
thebanjodog
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when i first posted in the thread i had not heard the lady on tv take issue with the term refugee in regard to the victims of the hurricane. after hearing her i think it is ridiculous.
an apple is an apple and an orange is an orange. wealth is wealth and poverty is poverty. black is black, white is white, brown is brown and yellow is yellow. kind is kind and mean is mean. survival is survival. looting is looting. personal responsibility is personal responsibility. blaming others for everything that happens to you is blaming others for everything that happens to you.
why is everyone ready to beat up people with better circumstances but elevate people with lesser circumstances? let''s get real and call a situation as it is. human beings have experienced an extremely bad situation due to the forces of nature. yeah the world is not perfect and somebody did not do everything perfect but what is done is done and people are busting their chops to help let''s don''t beat them up.
if it''s ok to accept the goodness and kindness of others keep your mouth shut about a simple descriptive word when there is no malice in it. refugee is perfectly honorable. it is a person seeking refuge and in this case it is from the storm.
i mean no disrespect to anyone and feel deep compassion for all who are involved in this situation whether they are hurting from the effects of katrina or tying to help the hurting. i just think there is much work to be done and a lady coming on tv maligning people who are attempting to help is wrong.
banjo
an apple is an apple and an orange is an orange. wealth is wealth and poverty is poverty. black is black, white is white, brown is brown and yellow is yellow. kind is kind and mean is mean. survival is survival. looting is looting. personal responsibility is personal responsibility. blaming others for everything that happens to you is blaming others for everything that happens to you.
why is everyone ready to beat up people with better circumstances but elevate people with lesser circumstances? let''s get real and call a situation as it is. human beings have experienced an extremely bad situation due to the forces of nature. yeah the world is not perfect and somebody did not do everything perfect but what is done is done and people are busting their chops to help let''s don''t beat them up.
if it''s ok to accept the goodness and kindness of others keep your mouth shut about a simple descriptive word when there is no malice in it. refugee is perfectly honorable. it is a person seeking refuge and in this case it is from the storm.
i mean no disrespect to anyone and feel deep compassion for all who are involved in this situation whether they are hurting from the effects of katrina or tying to help the hurting. i just think there is much work to be done and a lady coming on tv maligning people who are attempting to help is wrong.
pearcrazy
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Thank you Perry and Banjo! I''d also like to see a whole lot less name calling, finger pointing and buck passing and see all of that energy directed at the task at hand-- taking care of the people and property damaged and displaced by Katrina. After the crisis is over then perhaps a special committee much like the Sept. 11 commission can be put together to discover what went wrong and how to avoid a similar problem after the next disaster. I know people are angry and frustrated, but for now everyone has to try to stay focused on fixing the problem--then we can figure out how to KEEP the problem fixed and who is going to be responsible.
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This was my point. Some media call them refugees and others will not allow the term. All rescue workers on TV call them evacuees and then most media goes right back to refugees. Now Jesse Jackson has come out and and called it racist.
Off the point but received a interesting link to day from a friend
http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/ Pretty scary haw this was predicted.
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