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This is a bit of a drama - but I''ll try not to let it get too dramatic and convoluted.

I met a friend in high school, Q, and over the last twelve years or so we have fostered the kind of friendship you do as you go through different colleges, get jobs in different cities in the same state. I would say she was a bit more loyal to the friendship than me through most of the years - she called me more often as I dislike speaking on the phone, she was always single so spent more time with friends than I, the one who almost always had a boyfriend.

Just a tad bit of background: I have always known that Q is the type of person who doesn''t have much of a filter between her brain and her mouth, has a bit of a childish streak, was spoiled a bit from her parents and is now quite a high-maintenance person, qualities that have possibly kept her from forming meaningful relationships with men, and with many friends. She''s also quite competitive - i.e. would steal men from me at the bar, etc. We would have periods of not speaking - more like little breaks - then she''d call me up and we''d hang out again. It was alright...I tried to understand her the best I could and I''m a fairly patient person. And do keep in mind that I am leaving out several other angering shortcomings in order to preserve a bit of fairness for her side.

A few years after college, and a few boyfriends later, I began getting pretty serious with FI - living together, talk of marriage, real estate. A couple years later, Q met a man and immediately began to foster conversations with him about marriage, etc. I figured she must have felt left behind, but it was really none of my business. A summer later Q''s boyfriend confided in me (while drunk at a bar with friends) that they regularly get into enormous fights about not being engaged yet and she would say horrible things to hurt him and he wasn''t sure whether he wanted to marry someone who possessed such anger. I tried to stay neutral because, again, this was none of my business, but I told him that in my opinion one should not marry another unless he was sure about it. I''d never want to see a friend of mine go through divorce.

Needless to say, two months later they were engaged. Q called me up on the phone and, well...more or less rubbed it in that she got engaged before me. I was rather horrified and didn''t know how to react, so I ended up excusing myself and cutting off the conversation abruptly.

Three months later, FI proposed to me and we began planning our wedding. We found a lovely venue, set a date for 2008 and began to tell everyone all about it. When I told Q she let me know that her fiance wanted to wait until 2009 to get married. She didn''t sound happy about the wait, but her fiance had just cleaned out his entire life savings for her ring, so I didn''t really blame him. And she desires a huge wedding right in Boston, and that takes a lot of saving.

A month after that, Q attended a wedding at the venue we are having our wedding. I told her I was interested to hear all about it. The next day she tells me that the place looked ugly, the food was terrible, and that the wait staff was poorly trained and rude.
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I was shocked and deeply hurt that she would have the lack of tact it would take to openly bash a friend''s own wedding venue. But I kept it under wraps at first, remembering she has no filter. I also think she was a bit incensed that I''d decided not to have a weddng party, thus excluding her from the honor of bridesmaid (the day I told her this she immediately announced that I was not to be in her wedding party, and listed the other girls she would choose instead).

Well, a couple of weeks passed and that conversation bore into my brain. I lost some sleep and couldn''t concentrate at work. I decided to let her know how I feel unfairly competed with, and how much her venue comment hurt me. I wrote her an email, knowing that I am terrible at expressing intense feelings verbally. I was kind, soft, but I tried not to sugar coat the fact that I was hurt. It didn''t go over well, and so I was bombarded with hurtful accusations, namecalling and finally an acceptance of my "cutting off" of our friendship. Which I never actually intended. I cannot say I was surprised, Q has never taken this kind of honesty well.

It''s been a few months since the incident and I no longer have her phone number (due to a phone accident), and she no longer answers my emails. I have offered to take her for dinner and talk things over like adults, to which she declined. Her fiance has told me she is still very angry at me, but that he wishes she''d come around. All I keep thinking about is the fact that in a couple of months I am going to have to make pretty final decisions on who will receive one of the very limited number of wedding invitations I have to send out.

At first in my anger I was sure that Q and her fiance were not going to receive an invite...after all, she nixxed our friendship so quickly after a simply honest email - but now I wonder - after twelve years of friendship, can it really be over? If I don''t invite her to my wedding, will we both regret it later if our friendship is repaired? Or if I do invite her to the wedding, will she decline - an outcome that will undoubtedly bruise my ego? Or will she come to the wedding just to compare it to hers or for a free dinner?
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So what do you think? What would you do? Feel free to pipe up and call me a jerkoff, if you think so.
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I can take it.

Thanks for reading...
 
Personally, I''d let the friendship die. I don''t think you''re being a jerk, I think you''re hurt and upset, which is normal. She cut you out of her life by not answering e-mails, phone calls, or any attempt at contact.

And as far as inviting her...I understand you might not be willing to just let the friendship end. But would you be willing to hear her badmouth the wedding you''ve been working so hard on? Can you handle sitting there and having her tell everybody who will listen (which may include you) about how "stupid" you were to book such an "awful venue" after she''d been so "nice" and "warned" you about it? Because it sounds like she is not the type to hold back, and especially if she''s angry at you I''d worry about what she''d say. If it were me, I''d save the invitation for somebody who would be happy for me and glad to be a part of my big day, instead of competing with it and making snide comments.

Best of luck with this rough situation.
 
My best friend had a similar friend, who she did invite to her wedding, the former friend showed up drunk and then proceeded to bad mouth the bride to other guests.

Don''t invite her to your wedding, and then you won''t have to worry about going to hers. She has shown you her true colors, and maybe her FI wants a long engagment because he is having second thoughts.
 
I do not think you are being a jerk. Too tolerant, maybe. But not a jerk.

She is competitive and demanding. You were nice enough to look past that, and try to continue a relationship with her. I am betting if she even gets to the altar her marriage will not last.

As for the comments about the venue you chose, I do think if she were NOT so competitive with you, and if you knew she was being truthful and saying it in a helpful way, you might have welcomed some constructive comments about the place you are planning to use. Some of this could have been helpful to you. ("I have a friend who attended the so and so wedding here, Mr. Venue Manager, and I have some concerns, based on her feedback, as to the level of service...etc. You see what I mean, if she were a great friend and said, Hey, FYI, the food the other night was not great etc...if she were not trying to bash their wedding and stick it to you at the same time...you might have gotten some important feedback. However, she is nasty and tries to hurt you and or upset you, so this just gets added to that list. Could be jealousy, since you are getting married first and having it in a nice venue).

Emails are tough for expressing feelings, though I am sure you were as gentle as you could be.

I would not invite someone who jumped immediately to ending the friendship versus seeing your point and trying to work it out. Nor would I want someone there who is still angry and not speaking to me or replying to my attempts to communicate. In mho, SHE is not letting 12 years of being friends concern HER, she is not thinking, so it would seem, Gee, maybe I overreacted to the email, maybe I should try to read it calmly and get the gist of what she is say...She is getting married soon, which is special, and it would be silly to let a misunderstanding derail 12 years of friendship...No, it does not seem that she is doing that. She is just stewing in her anger and not thinking of the long term. Maybe you are better off without friends like that. I do feel a bit sorry for her fiance though!
 
I''ll have to vote "NO" on this one. From what you describe, this "friend" is jealous of you and does not wish you well, so why would you want her at your wedding sulking, and bad mouthing you and your special day? Save that invite for someone who wants to see you happy and wishes you nothing but the best
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Well I definitely wouldn''t call you a jerk off =)

First though, i have to ask, what did she say the point of her comments were? You wrote "The next day she tells me that the place looked ugly, the food was terrible, and that the wait staff was poorly trained and rude. " Is is possible she was saying these things to let you know in advance so you could possibly look for another place. I am guessing not since, if you are at the invitation point, the wedding is prolly in the next 6 months or so.... The place looking ugly could have been due the other bride and grooms choice of decor...and maybe she didnt think that would offend you because she was thinking that you both knew yours would look different. I dont know much about your venue but could it even be possible that your event wouldn''t even be in the same room?

On one hand I would say, you did ask her honest opinion. On the other hand, everyone knows that when their honest opinion is asked about something that is set in stone/can''t be changed it''s downright rude to completely trash it. You all can flame me for saying that and retort that everyone should tell the truth bla bla bla, but if its honestly something that cannot be changed or wont be then say something...I think be nice or shut up.

Truthfully, do you actually want her there? Or is it more that you are worried you are going to have wanted her there later. Personally, if it is the latter, then I would say don''t invite her. Even if a year after the wedding goes by and you two turn into the best of friends, it doesnt change the fact that you two were not that close at the time of the wedding. If it is that you actually do want her there, then i would risk a bruised ego by sending an email saying that you would like her to come and that you are getting ready to send out invites soon and ask her to respond if she is willing to patch things up and come. If she acts like a child and doesnt respond then still don''t send the invite. If she say no, then atleast you know. IMO anyone so petty to throw away 12 years of friendship over one small fight doesnt have the needed equipment to bruise my ego (my respect). And, from what you wrote, she isnt sounding like she deserves yours.
 
At this stage, if she''s not answering emails etc and won''t meet up, then I''d probably let the friendship die. The way you''ve described her also, I''m not sure you''d why you''d want her at the wedding. She sounds like she''s very jealous and would probably bad mouth everything to people. If she comes to you, then see where the friendship goes, but I wouldn''t go after her.
 
I would not invite her. She doesn''t sound like the kind of person you should be around on your special day. If later, the two of you make up and she grows up, you can not regret that you did not invite her. You can only regret that she was not a better person at the time to warrant an invite. Besides that, if you truly make up and become better friends, being at the wedding will be irrelevant, you should simply be happy she is back in your life. As it currently stands, however, there is no way I would invite her. She will nickpick everything, take notes on how to do it "better" and attempt to continue to compete with you. Especially in light of the fact that she harbors resentment toward you (and to be honest, it appears that she always has...I have a friend like this, haven''t spoken to her in months). Sometimes you out grow people and perhaps it''s time for you to move on. Good luck.
 
Just to say, I hear ya. I''m trying to let a similarly icky friendship die, and have occasionally struggled with whether or not to invite this person to our wedding. I came home from Peru to find a Christmas card from her with a long hand written letter. The guilt. THE GUILT! If you are not enjoying this person''s frienship, just... let... it... go. But I feel yer pain.
 

I agree with what has been posted thus far but let me say this:


She sounds sad, clearly the girl has issues. If you have the energy to deal with her then do not freeze her out. I am not saying you have to invite her, but let her know in the future that your e-mail/door/phone number is always there...


It is up to you. She is not ''maintenance free'' but if you would like your history to count; then let it rest, but let her know you would like her to be there and you will be there (just not at the weddings).


If this is the proverbial straw then give her up.
 
There is often the sense of worry that you might regret them not having been there. But, honestly, you can only go by what is going on at the time. She is angry, she is not speaking to you or even replying to you, so you should not be worrying about her feelings. If she comes around and you two end up rekindling your friendship, and it comes up, you can nicely say that, due to the circumstances at the time, (i.e. her not speaking to you!) she was not included, but that is the past, and you should both move forward. I mean, really, how much more can or should you have to do You expressed your honest feelings, and she seemed to overreact and now would rather stay angry and not communicate with you...the ball really was in her court, in my view. You cannot chase her and keep on chasing, enough already...you have done your part.
 
I''m sorry that this is going on during the run up to your wedding. It can''t be very nice for you.

I honestly don''t think you should invite her. Your wedding probably isn''t the best place to put aside hurt feelings and try to reconcile with this girl. It would be awful if she carried on her childish behaviour and tried to ruin your big day. Even if she just sat in a corner bad mouthing you, as she did her other friend.... you wouldn''t want that.

Friendship works both ways, it takes effort and care on both parts. It seems to me that she has been very difficult to be around. You have been friends with her for a long time BUT it doesn''t mean you have to accept everything she is handing out to you. As we get older we move on, sometimes with old friends.... but more often without them. Its a sad fact of getting older. Have the people around you that really want to be there. People who want to celebrate one of the biggest occasions in your life.

Good luck.

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I would say, re read your OP, then ask yourself that question again...I think you already know the answer...!

ETA: Letting a friendship die is one of the hardest things to do. It's common to re-think your decision but if you keep remembering WHY you're not speaking right now, it'll make you remember WHY it's probably best to let it die. It doesn't sound like a friendship to me, it sounds like a competition.
 
Hi tberube,

So sorry you''re having to deal with all of this! I feel your pain, and the other ladies here put it so eloquently already, but I would let it go for now. This should be the happiest time in your life, and this friend is not conducive to that occurring, so please do not invite her to your wedding.

I also agree that you are better off being the bigger person and letting her know you are there for her if and when she might need you or want to make things right at a later time, but I think that if that occurs, you need to be firm with her about your feelings and do not let her turn the guilt back onto to you. I truly believe that honesty on BOTH parts (meaning her understanding her actions and why they are not okay!) is the only way you will get your friendship back, but if things don''t change, that friendship will never work, much like it''s not now.

I had a similar friend years ago...I tried everything I could think of to get her to understand how I felt, to try to get her to stop doing exactly what your friend was doing and to just get her to be my friend. I called, wrote letters, tried to sit her down face to face, etc..., but she was just such a selfish, miserable person at the time that she was immune to everything people around her said. Dropping her from my life after trying so hard for so many years was by far the best thing I ever did...the lack of stress, fearing her reactions and outbursts at random intervals, her emotional breakdowns and other such things were a huge weight off my shoulders.

Though we no longer speak, I have never stopped wondering about her and I hear about her from time to time from mutual acquaintances. Sometimes I regret the loss of what once was a wonderful friendship for almost 17 years, but I know that my life is now a better place without her in it, and I am comfortable knowing and hearing about her from afar. I also try to be kind about my feelings now and tell those who feel the need to "fill me in" about her that I simply hope she''s found happiness and I have always wished her the best for her life. People have come back saying that meant a lot to her, etc..., but it doesn''t make me want to rekindle what we had, as I''m afraid it will never as good as it once was, and we are now both different individuals with completely different lives.

I do hope maybe there is a chance for your friendship, but please don''t let it ruin your wedding. Please let us know what you decide to do, and hang in there.
 
Thanks, ladies, for your feedback. You truly all are a wonderful group of women to talk to, and I appreciate your kind words. Reading them, I almost feel bad about how thoroughly I have expressed only the bad side of Q. I have bad sides too, I'm not a perfect friend. But I'm not being untruthful in my story. It's just a really poor situation for me to be in.

And, essentially, yes I care about her and love her, she can be fun and great to be around. We were, indeed, good friends for twelve years. But lately her competitiveness has struck a chord of competitiveness in me that I don't like, and as a result I'm just not sure this friendship is healthy for me anymore.

I should clarify that our wedding venue is a gorgeous inn that is (I'm learning) popular for people around the area, and other than Q's feedback I have heard only superiorly positive comments about it. It's a rather expensive place, but not too expensive - the price was right for us, and so well-suited for our personality (so nothing Q said would have made me change my mind about it). Nonetheless, FI and I had booked the venue two months prior to the wedding Q attended (and yes, the ceremony and reception are both in different rooms than Q's friend's wedding was).

I cannot say for certain whethe her comment was meant to hurt me, it's quite possible that it wasn't, but her amount of tact in presenting the information was no better than that of a 10 year old child's. She never seems to have much consideration for the outcome of her actions - a personality flaw I'd just plain dealt with about her over the years.

Some part of me wants Q at my wedding, because in my consideration of the future I feel I may regret not having her there. And part of me wants to skip over her, because there are others who would better fill that place at the wedding, and in my life. But the rest is for a feeling of retribution: "Fine, if you're going to be that way, then you can't come to my wedding! Hmph!" It's that last part that made me question my motives (childish?) and decide to start a thread about it.

Sounds like I may have my answer, though. Perhaps all of our guts are right - better to leave her out of the invitations and let the dice fall when and where they may. Any other feedback would be appreciated,though.
 
Are you coming to lunch on Saturday? [It is this Sat., right?] If you are, I''ll give you my thoughts then if you would like to hear them. I am not up to typing the long response with all the contingencies [my typing skills are severely lacking]. Also, this issue is probably easier to discuss in person
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Date: 12/26/2007 9:53:58 AM
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There is often the sense of worry that you might regret them not having been there. But, honestly, you can only go by what is going on at the time. She is angry, she is not speaking to you or even replying to you, so you should not be worrying about her feelings. If she comes around and you two end up rekindling your friendship, and it comes up, you can nicely say that, due to the circumstances at the time, (i.e. her not speaking to you!) she was not included, but that is the past, and you should both move forward. I mean, really, how much more can or should you have to do You expressed your honest feelings, and she seemed to overreact and now would rather stay angry and not communicate with you...the ball really was in her court, in my view. You cannot chase her and keep on chasing, enough already...you have done your part.
diamondfan - you are totally right. I shouldn''t feel as though it''s my duty to run around cleaning up her feelings over this. I''ve already extended my hand.
 
YES, blu, I will be there on Saturday. I''d love to hear your response. Then I can share with you all the recent drama about my wedding band!!! HA!
 
You are welcome! I just think it seems pretty clear...no one is perfect, of course, but you have been seeing and putting up with things, and felt it was appropriate to bring them up. She had two options, one, hear you and get beyond her own defensive feelings in order to get to the heart of what you were saying (and hopefully work toward preserving the friendship in a healthy way) OR, she could get huffy and miss the whole point, and choose to continue the problems by ignoring you and your attempts to reach out. Since she opted for the latter, I would sort of just keep a low profile. She is not talking to you, so though you could send an invite and hope she takes the olive branch and gets it together, I would say she is sending a message and I would let it go. She knows you are getting married, and she could certainly, in a calmer mode now, call you and want to talk and patch things up. She is not, she would rather be righteously angry and sulk. Okay then. I always think about the future too, but, this situation cannot be helped. You had to tell her your feelings, and since she could not handle them maturely, and chose to lash out, I would just let her go. In time she may come to see that she might have over reacted and she might chose to fix things. If so, great. Just do not beat yourself up about things, you did things as best as you could and did nothing wrong.
 
I know it''s hard. You have extended the olive branch and she''s not biting. How many times do you chase after the ball you threw to her?? A true friend is someone that will be happy for you, will be supportive of you. One that will throw the ball back.
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I''m sorry you''re in this position, Therube, letting an old friendship die away can be very difficult. I think you''ve gotten excellent advice thus far.

The only thing I will add is that if you think there is a smidge of a chance that you two will rekindle your friendship in the future (although from your post this doesn''t sound likely) then perhaps you may want to invite her. I *only* say this because I didn''t invite a friend of mine to my bat mitzvah many years ago because we were in a very childish (yet age-appropriate) fight, and here I am nearly 15 years later and I STILL have to hear about, because this girl happens to be my very best and dearest friend, and one of the few friends I''ve kept from grade school. It sounds like your situation is a bit different, but I just wanted to share my experience. (She jokes about it now, but I think she was really hurt for a while.)
 
Let this toxic friendship die....please. I say this having had a very similar experience that lasted as long as yours did...and if I could go back and tell myself 6 years ago to let it die, I would. Trust me, you will save yourself further heartache and pain over this person if you just let things dissolve and don''t look back. I think quality female friendships are hard to come by but there''s no sense in trying to force a friendship that has proven time and again to not be quality or enriching to your life. Be done with the friendship and move on to a happier place so you have room for friends who are better equipped to treat you as you should be treated.
 
Thank you, monarch, you''re probably right. You''re all right. I guess I just had to hear from an outside source that I wasn''t being too harsh in my decision to leave her out of it.

Thanks, ladies. I appreciate the feedback.
 
tberube,

At this point, I would not invite her to your wedding. Do you really want to deal with any drama she will bring?

With that said, I think for your peace of mind, send her a letter, not an email. It is very possible that your friend does not check that email, or had marked one of your email messages as spam and she has not seen the many other emails you have sent. Since you don''t have her phone number, and she doesn''t respond to your emails, send her a hand written letter saying that you are sorry how things ended between the two of you and ask her out to coffee or something. If she doesn''t respond to your letter, than you have nothing to feel guilty about. If anybody dropped the ball, it will be Q.
 
I just think there are consequences in life. If someone is nasty and not a good friend to you during your wedding time, there is always that chance they will lose the chance to be part of things. If years down the road someone is going to be upset by that turn of events, well, in my book, such is life. Deal with the NOW. Is she someone who is supportive and kind and truly a good friend, someone you can go to and count on? Does not seem so now. If she BECOMES that down the road, great. Rekindle away, with a better outcome to be sure. But now? The road is rocky and on your day you should not have anyone around emitting negative stuff, competitive stuff, snarky stuff. Period the end. People need to get over these decade long hurts and own up, take responsibility for, their role in things. I am sure most decisions to end a friendship are never just random or lightly done...should coulda woulda...it takes two, so if she is so concerned that she is acting bratty and could miss out on your wedding, she has yet to rise to the moment and take the branch you have been trying to extend to her.
 
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